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#81

I’ve had this male pattern facial hair problem since puberty. I have hair on face, arms, fingers, toes, legs – everywhere! Well, almost everywhere…I also have male pattern baldness. How IS it that I can grow hair every where on my body but where I WANT it?!?

Fortunately, most of this excessive hair is very light or transparent. My sideburns and upper lip are mostly very light hairs with the occasional thick, wild, red hair thrown in for variety.

My chin is a different story. I’ve been shaving it since I was 13. That’s the area I’m having treated with Electrolysis right now. So I have to grow it out before my sessions. That can only be described as stubble. It’s mostly thick, medium to dark red hair. I can’t wait til it’s cleared!

Unless I have a session coming up, I shave every day. THIS makes me feel like a freak. Not the fun kind, either. The scary kind. Words can’t express the intensity of my hatred for this. I’ve been trying to figure out what was wrong with me for YEARS.

About 15 years ago, a doctor I consulted thought I might have PCOS. Test results came back normal. Next stop was an endocrinologist. They took about 18 vials of blood and ran every imaginable test. The results? Once again, normal! I looked at the Dr., pointing to my thinning hair line and face stubble asking: “Does THIS look NORMAL to you???” This ISN’T normal!

>>FF>> September 2013 - I consulted with a Naturopath. She believes I’m a classic case for PCOS. After googling it, I would have to agree with that assessment. There could be a picture of me in the medical manual under PCOS. But I’ve been here before and…well…they told me everything was “normal”.

Anyway, she ordered blood tests, saliva tests, I gave a urine sample, she ordered a pelvic ultrasound… I have a follow up appointment next week and she will be going over the test results. It seems wrong, but I’m hoping none of the results were “normal”. I want to know what’s causing this and I want to start treating it.

I have to say, I’m thrilled with my electrolysis progress, so far. I wish I had started this process YEARS ago. Better late than never, right?

#82

If you start reading food labels and avoiding Mono-Sodium Glutamate and artificial sweeteners, you may halt your problem. It won’t remove the hairs you already have, but would go a long way towards keeping you from recruiting new hairs.

You don’t know how many clients I have had over the years who have had only one problem that lead to their hair issues - MSG, and artificial sweeteners.

The artificial sweeteners are the worst, as they reason these women sought them out to ingest in the first place, was a desire to be slimmer, and the real result of artificial sweeteners is you gain 20 pounds, go into prediabetes, get set up for heart and blood pressure problems, and have headaches and hormonal problems.

#83

basic chemistry. Why do they still sell this stuff?

#84

Some of the chemistry in the article above is pretty farfetched actually. I’m not defending Splenda at all, but I feel the need to point out some of the chemistry above:

“covalently bound chlorine atoms are a big no-no for the human body.”

This is not true. Some organochlorines are dangerous, but it’s a BIG lie that all of them are. You ingest organochlorides when eating peas, when taking the drug Claritin… there are tons! It would be like me saying that because organochlorines are found in chemical warfare (Phosgene), that basic plastic is dangerous because it contains carbon-chlorine bonds (polyvinylchloride).

“A poison that is fat soluble is akin to a bomb exploding internally. It invades every nook and cranny of the body. Cell walls and DNA – the genetic map of human life – become nothing more than potential casualties of war when exposed. Sucralose is only 25% water soluble. Which means a vast majority of it may explode internally.”

I don’t even understand how the second sentence relates to the first. Vitamins aren’t water soluble either, and those are not “exploding.” Our cells also do not have cell walls. DNA is a casuality of war when exposed to what? DNA is VERY strongly self-regulated system, so I’d like to know how our DNA is changing because of this.

Again, not defending Splenda at all, but very much taking issues to his point of view

#85

I don’t use artificial sweeteners … just a general principle. However, there is a ton of hysteria out there about “unnatural vs. natural” products. So-called “natural” can have risks too. For example “Stevia” (I use it) causes “male problems” as far as fertility. But then, that doesn’t worry me.

I think ALL products should be looked at with pure scientific objectivity. Medicines and “natural cures” should all be held to the same standard and looked at without “hocus-pocus” or “industry cover-up.”

Just because it’s “natural” does not necessarily make it safe and good for you.

Just because it’s “approved” by “big industry” also is no guarantee of safety or efficacy.

#86

Did anyone advocate eating basic plastic?

#87

Remember all the parents going crazy over the BPA in plastic baby bottles? Chemicals from plastics can mix in with food/drinks.

#88

Is that anything like lead in pottery, or crystal?

#89

Oh yes, it’s pretty similar to that, especially if say you were to serve drinks in some sort of ceramic dish, or inhaling lead-based paint

#90

I have been dealing with facial hair since I was 10 years old. I would get teased at school and I really had a hard year while I was in the 5th grade. Not only that but I would wear my coat in the summer time because I didn’t want everyone to see my hairy arms. I was basically the freak of the school. I ended up getting Nair and nairing off the upper lip hair that had plagued me but it was still very embarassing as everyone knew that I had had hair on my upper lip and then all of a sudden it was gone. All was fine until a year ago (now 33) when I ran out of facial hair removal and bought the same kind that I have always but apparently the product had changed leaving me with a shadow after I had removed the hair. So now I didn’t have hair but a shadow that looked just as bad or maybe worse. I tried every bleaching agent known to man to try and get rid of this shadow and nothing seemed to work. So I decided to go ahead and try electrolysis as the facial hair remover was just making my upper lip darker and darker. Electrolysis wasn’t bad at all and barely hurt. I was really looking forward to going back to my next appointment…however, two weeks after I had got electrolysis I am now looking more like a bearded lady…there is hair everywhere where there wasn’t before…I only had electrolysis done on my upper lip…after two weeks I noticed hairs sprouting on my chin…just a few at first and now there are several…one black one but the rest are light vellus hairs that seem to have become accelerated vellus. This looks horrible as these hairs stick out from the side of my face and makes me look bearded. I am afraid to go back and I am thinking that the situation could get worse than it already is. I have not changed any kind of regimine as far as my face goes so I know that nothing else could have made this happen and electrolysis is the only thing that I have done differently. I am having my hormones checked to see if that plays a part in this but I am feeling so down about all of this…I wish I would have never had electrolysis now and just dealt with the dark upper lip…because now I have a much worse problem than ever. I can’t no longer look at a person and have to wear my hair down all the time and even when I do wear my hair down I feel as though when I look at a person they are looking at the side of my face where the hair sticks out…I would rather die than to go on without being able to talk to a person face to face and not being able to go out in public. I have children that want to do activities and go places and I feel as though because of this situation that I am keeping these children from doing these fun things that they want to do all because of this facial hair that no other woman my age seems to be dealing with around my home town. I feel so depressed and alone and want to just crawl under a sheet and never come out! Sometimes I just wish that the good dreams I dream were real and that I would never wake up. I hate life right now and envy any person that has no facial hair!

#91

Electrolysis is NOT the cause of accelerated hair. I think Michael Bono was very clear here:

[size:23pt]Electrolysis on the lip causing more hair on the chin, and side burns?

NOT possible. I mean zero possibility of this happening.

I think this may be a matter of your focus. You had been focusing on your lip … got that cleared and then coincidentally started noticing other areas. It happens all the time. One client named it the “Sequoia effect.”[/size]

#92

Let me get this right.

You had one electrolysis appointment on your upper lip. After two weeks you noticed hairs growing (accelerating) on your chin and cheeks. Your conclusion is that the one electrolysis treatment caused this hair growth?

(Hi Jossie … yeah “Sequoia effect!”)

#93

Yes, this was on another one of my posts. I am just explaining my feelings on here…I have no clue of why these other hairs have became worse. I know that they were always there but never this pronounced. They are very accelerated and they seem to get worse weekly. And yes they are all over my face. Like I said this could have something to do with my hormones and electrolysis together but I should be getting the results of my hormone test tomm. I am just really depressed about this and have no one to talk to about this so I thought I would just share my feelings of how I am feeling at the moment.

#94

As they say it’s not what happens, it’s how you deal with it.

About 7 weeks ago, I had cancer symptoms. I had a ton of tests and, meanwhile, the symptoms went away. As the specialist explained, “These ‘things’ can happen randomly … sort of like a ‘bloody nose’ that spontaneously happens.”

Funny thing, I didn’t get depressed about it. (I did update my Will, however.) I could have gotten emotional, but here’s the thing … stuff happens and you deal with it. A very good friend that actually died from cancer at 48-years-old once told me, “The psychological suffering is optional.”

Think about the reality of life in general and your statement, “I feel so depressed and alone and want to just crawl under a sheet and never come out! Sometimes I just wish that the good dreams I dream were real and that I would never wake up. I hate life right now … “

It’s hair damn it!

I had two old friends that survived the Nazi death camps (Polish ghetto and then Auschwitz) … they were joyous, inventive and full of life. HAIR? It’s something you CAN do something about. Do something nice for yourself today … maybe only an ice cream cone … ENJOY life, it’s very short.

I just saw a patient a few minutes ago, after almost a year. She had almost no hair and it took me 15-minutes to remove the “longer blond hairs.” Originally she had PCOS and a “near beard” … yeah, like about 15 hours for the first clearance. During the “beard-time,” as she calls it, she continued to work with the public (cutting hair). Embarrassed? Sure, but she dealt with it and solved her problem. (She also lost a ton of weight and looks fantastic! Oh, and had a baby too!)

What more can I say?

#95

One more …

By the way, the “Sequoia Effect” came from my client (Marine guy) from Georgia … we laughed about it a LOT. See, you remove the giant “trees” and then the next remaining “trees” start to look like “Sequoias” too.

Personal observation (“eye witnessing”) is one of the WORST sources of scientific fact … actually not to be relied on at all! It’s all about weighing and measuring and being able to repeat the “experiment” and get the same results.

Seeing IS believing … but “beliefs” are almost always erroneous!

#96

Hi all,
I’m Mark, 33 year old male from the UK,
a few years ago after an extension break from the gym, a friend of
mine that i was working with told me about a new body building supplement called Tren Bomb from Pharma Labs.
I was intrigued with what he was telling me as he made it sound
like a miracle pill to help put the muscle i lost from not training.
I paid him £40 for these tablets from his gym and he told me i needed to take them with another tablet called milk thistle,
as the Tren Bomb affected the liver.
Stupidly i did not look in to these Tren Bomb as i believed my friend and trusted him.
Tren Bomb is a testosterone booster with side effects, naturally i am a hairy man, arms, legs and chest, the hair on my arms were blonde but the chest hair was darker, i liked that i had a hairy chest, felt manly.
I started a cycle on these tablets but decided to stop after a week or two.
Then about a month or so later i noticed my arm hair darkened, the strip of hair on my belly now became all over my belly,
then as the months went by gradually the hair on my body started to darken and grow in other places.
I now have patches of hair on the back of my shoulders and on my back which i never had before, my confidence has plummeted.
I tried waxing but had a very bad reaction to the wax, tried from two different places but same reaction.
I also found a lady that did sugaring and even though it was less painful and harsh on the skin, i still broke out in spots and rashes.
I eventually started laser hair removal but don’t see much of a difference, if anything where Ive been shaved for the laser it’s growing back darker and thicker.
I paid £40 of my own money to do this to myself and i am so so disappointed in myself that i didn’t look up what these tablets were before i told them, i feel like I’ve ruined my life, can’t go swimming, on holiday to a beach or even take off my T-shirt in the locker room of the gym.
I believe the tablets altered my testosterone levels causing excessive growth and fear it’ll carry on.
I started using depilatory creams regularly to remove the hair but found that too much use resulted in spots and rashes.
Last year i met a beautiful young woman that became my girlfriend and i hid it from her for so long i don’t know how i managed it, two months ago she took her own life through depression and it destroyed me as a person, because for the first
time in my life i found a woman that i truly loved and who loved me, now she is gone and i am at my lowest i have ever been.
I haven’t removed the hair since i found out she had died and all i see is an ugly unsightly body that i paid to ruin, coupled
with losing my girlfriend i contemplate suicide for myself because i am ashamed of myself and fear that no woman will look/want me if that find out about my body hair.
I know that there are people out there with terrible problems, illnesses and i feel for other people i really do, but this is my life and i am totally ashamed of what i have done to myself.
Everyday thoughts of ending my life pass through my mind, i miss my girlfriend horrendously and feel that life isn’t worth carrying on with, especially the fear of not finding someone else, i had so much love to give Rose and gave her a lot but she left me and her family because of depression and i feel that with what i have done to myself that it is the way out for me too.
I know she would of accepted my body given more time because she loved me but i hid the truth and removed the hair all the time in fear of losing her.
Why do people live in fear of how there bodies look, i do.
Out of all of the medical break through’s out there, you would think that a cream or lotion or something for permanent hair removal was out now, but no it would put too many companies out of business and too many people out of a job, there has to be some method or way to rid hair if people desire.
I truly believe that there has been something developed but it’ll never see the light of day.
I will continue to be embarrassed and ashamed of what i did to myself till something is invented/discovered.
All i do is think of my girlfriend and how i miss her so much, she was such a beautiful woman, inside and out and feel that was the only time i will love that way.
I do think about death and suicide a lot, even think about who would come to my funeral, it is morbid to think that way, maybe i am depressed without being diagnosed, i just don’t see an end to this lonely empty feeling that sits in my heart and feel that i would be better off not here anymore, i think about whether i would be with Rose again if i left but i don’t know.
If anyone reads this and is thinking of taking something in the gym, please look in to them first, it’s a horrible feeling knowing that it is I that has done this to myself.
I don’t know if this was the right section to of wrote all this, it did say, share your feelings, anyway who ever reads this thank you.

#97

Your girlfriend must have been in a bad way to do what she did, and loving someone and losing them in what ever way is going to take a long time to get over. But taking your own life is not the answer, as for your hairs I was so frightened of my husband finding out about my issue its not big compared with a lot of others on her I go for electrolysis 10 minutes every 6 weeks on chin and around my nipples have about 5 hairs cleared each area which are now becoming paler, because the area they are in it makes you feel awful as a women and that your husband or any man wouldn’t find you attractive. Once the hairs are gone I feel 100% better. I was in tears when I told my husband and I only told him because I wanted to start electrolysis and though I can no longer keep the plucking from him they will be on show, his answer was is that it, I thought you were seriously ill or going to leave me that way I was so couped up in myself and crying depressed, life has been 100% better since. It is not so bad to have a hairy man my hubby has a hairy chest and I adore snugging up to him with my head on his chest or playing my fingers threw it and his hairs are black like the hair on top of his head. I would hate for him to remove it, if you are self-conscious do remove it waxing as a temp measure or electrolysis for perm results. But honestly there are much worse things to have to live with, lease you can remove it if you wish. I am sorry for your lose now will not be the time to consider another relationship but trust me in the future there will be someone else out there to share your life with. There is only a tiny % of women in my eyes that would be put off most won’t give a damn and some will love the hairs so please do not let them take over your life you are worth more.

#98

Thank you so much for your reply,
i honestly didn’t think anyone would.
Rose loved my hairy chest and stomach, she used to loved running her fingers through it also and smelling it as it gives off your natural smell.
It is only the shoulder and back hair i am deeply ashamed of, i wished to god i hadn’t taken the tablets because i was comfortable with my body.
I was talking about another relationship, not because i am ready, far far from it, it is the last thing on my mind.
It is just the fear of being rejected when a new love finds out, i understand your words and am really pleased your husband accepted it and didn’t bother him.
I have always been down and felt lonely but when i met Rose i felt good about myself, not my body hair but in general, we had such a great time together and everything I liked, she liked, had so much in common and was really looking forward to a great happy future, i knew i couldn’t hide my embarrassment from her forever, but the longer we were together, the easier it’d of become to tell i think.
I am at my loneliest now and can’t help but contemplate suicide.
The loss of Rose has shocked and hurt me so much it’s like someone has given me something I’ve always wanted and then took it away for no reason.
All i have now is her grave to visit and it hurts me to even write this, i cry most days because i truly miss her with all my heart.
I am ashamed in what i did to myself with them tablets and with losing her i feel that i haven’t got a future anymore, i wished i could rid my back and shoulders of this hair but can’t, an electrolysis wouldn’t touch me as they only treat small areas like upper lips and chins and such.
I am a half decent looking guy, Rose used to say handsome man and it kills me inside that she is gone, my confidence would rise if there was a way to remove this hair for good and maybe i could feel that life is worth going on with.
At the moment i don’t see anyway forward, i lay in bed feeling my heart beating thinking of Rose and wish it would stop beating so i could be with her, i don’t want to die, i didn’t want her to die either, i wished to god she would of told me how she truly felt but she didn’t and then i had the call from her brother to come to the house to hear the sad news.
I feel so bitter against life and think that maybe it’d be okay to just go, my family and friends try to understand how i feel but they can’t know truly.
I know what your saying that some women would accept me as i am but the truth is i don’t accept me, i made a huge mistake when i was younger and now i am paying the price for it.
I know there are worse things to live with and millions of people do i just feel ashamed of my mistakes and wished there was a way to rectify them.

#99

I have recently come across the forums on hairtell. I had emailed Josepha telling my experience and she told me to share it on the forums, however, at that point in time I was at my lowest and did not feel confident in sharing my experience. I feel like I went through a small phase of depression due to my bad experiences. however, I am finally slowly coming out of my depression and thought I’d share my feelings.
I am a female and live in the UK. I am 20 years old, turning 21 soon (next week). I have been battling with a hairy face as long as I can remember. When I was 16 I started threading, however, my skin is really sensitive so it used to stay red for quite a while. I then stopped threading and started bleaching my hair, however, as everyone knows you can still see the hair and therefore I used to try my best to cover my face. Just last year, I looked around for alternative options, something that was permanent. So last year in April, I decided to take the plunge and go to a clinic. I went for my consultation and the clinicians sold me over £100 pounds worth of products. I quickly realised that these were a money making clinic and could not afford to lose money that I had spent years saving.

I then spent 3 months looking for clinics in my area and found one I thought I could trust. As a result, last September I started my laser treatments with the clinic. My clinician told me that I was an ideal candidate as I had fair skin and dark hair.I would go every 4 weeks; lasering my chin, upperlip, forehead, checks, nose (basically my whole face). After my third session I became sceptical as I did not see any change, my hair was not falling out at all so I informed my clinician about it and she said you need to wait for your fourth or fifth session. So I went on and the fourth and fifth session went by and I told her there has been no change. I had not seen a single ‘bold’ area on my face. I read on the internet that with each session at least 20% reduction should occur. I also read that by the 5th session at least 60-80% should be gone, this was not the case with me. I told my clinician this and said we will do a review after the 6th one. How could 80% of my hair fall within one session-my sixth session? So I went on. and the 6th session went and my hair was still there. She booked a seventh session or me, however, I have not yet been as their machine had broken down. Many weeks have gone by and I have been so upset to the point I have cried most days. I have been upset due to the fact that my £900 went and my hair is still there. I also feel like it has come back worse, thicker and more (I do not know if this happens)? but from reading the forums on hair tell it can happen.

My next solution: I phoned an electrologist explaining what had happened. She immediately assumed I was Asian. I said yes why do you ask that? She said because Laser tends not to work on Asians and explained that it because of the multiple hair roots etc. ( i don’t know if this is true for everyone, but it might have been for my case). She said what was your hair like? I said it was quite fine, she had said that your clinician should have warned you that laser will not work on fine hair. I have been utterly disappointed. These people don’t care about the money I spent years saving (bearing in mind I am a student and work) nor do they care about people’s confidence as long as their pockets are full.

I then went to a local electrologist a few Saturday’s ago (two weeks ago) and had my fist session. I feel like because I was her last client of the day and she wanted to go home, she rushed my treatment and I could feel my hairs being plucked out not gently sliding out (as the elctrologist n this forum had said). I felt very concerned in the way she had treated me, I have not plucked my hair on my face in more than a year and I hope that due to her maltreatment my hair roots do not become detangled etc. She told me that it takes about 2 and a half years for hair to completely disappear which seems about right however, I was not sure whether to go ahead with her. I thought that maybe because it’s my first treatment and the hairs haven’t been touched in over a year they are difficult to pull out? but then my second treatment which was last Saturday, I felt the same pulling effect. I told her I could feel my hairs pulling. She said that is normal as it’s something to do with the water in the follicles or something. From this forum I had read that I should not feel any pulling. I don’t know if her explanation was correct but I told Josepha that I felt pulling. luckily I listened to her advice and have stopped treatment with her.

From now, I will continue to have a hairy face, although I have started threading again as I could not help my self. I saw a lot of white roots on most of my hairs. But yes, just thought I 'd share my experience. I am glad I have stopped treatment with that electrologist. I will continue to search for an electrologist but I can only have a good electrolgist when I start to learn how to drive as I would need to travel a distance to get there. I would love to go see Josepha one day as I feel her work is amazing! Maybe next year sometime when I am working full time. For now, I feel disappointed that laser did not work, angry at my electrologst who had been pulling my hair and I’m back to square one: unconfident and self-conscious that I still have a hairy face. I wish I had come across this forum a year or 2 ago, it would have saved me from pain of losing money from laser. It would have helped me find a decent electrologist to sort my problem out. But hey! I am glad I have found this forum and I am glad that people can relate to being hairy and in a way I am glad that there’s people that feel the same as the way I feel.
Thank you for reading my experience.
On a side note: this is not to say that laser will not work for everyone, it might do. It jut didn’t work on me. (p.s. I do not wish to hurt anyone/put them of laser etc through this). This is just my bad experience and my feelings which I feel I need to share. Thank you.

#100

For the ones thinking there is no more solution for their hairs on the back, chest etc, or removing hairs in general, dont fall in depresion and read this :

http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/113846/Hair_Removal_Electrolysis_Lase.html#Post113846