IVMI
First of all…When I saw your picture the first thing I noticed is that you have beautiful eyes! I wouldn’t even notice or pay attention to these pits. Very prety!
Now that being said…I have an advise…
Use BIO-OIL on those pits for a long time and you will see that your skin will heal more than without.
It’s a very good scar cream…
I know it because I have scarring from electrolysis too…
A quality picture would be helpful, but even then, I would only be guessing about whether there are new pits or not. Probably should not be playing that role. I can offer you sympathy and will hope right along side of you that time will help your skin to smooth out.
Any electrologist reading this thread should be very, very mindful of the misery they can cause to clients if they are not very careful.
Was this area overtreated? How long did it take to heal? How long ago did this happen? I did magnify this and it didn’t help much. I see other areas that look like the ones you circled. Looks like enlarged pores…
Hello Dee,
Thanks for your reply.I did this my second treatment 15 days ago and there was no scabbing at this place.And I dont concentrate on this place before.But after some days I see that there is some problem happened here.The other enlarged pores are due o acne that I had before but this is new one created because of electrolysis.And I don’t know this is pitting or scar or why this has created because there was no scabs at this point.And this place has more pigment than other places.
I don’t know if I was over treated.Because in the second treatment she decreased the energy and used the gold type of needle.I am very confused if I am on the right way or not because right now I am very far from the place where my electrologist is.So I cant show her.
Please suggest some thing what this side effect is.Either this side effect will heal or not.What Should I take steps in future to continue or to stop my treatment.?
Thank you very much.
Regards,
Jimmy
thank you very much i’m flattered
but i’m still very sad because this happend to me…it shouldn’t be like this!! well i tried to google bio oil on my language but there is nothing similar to bio oil that i think you suggested - it is a mixture of some herbs, am i right?
Now I’m using tee tree oil…could this be helpful?
dee, thank you for answering, well I don’t know if they are new or not…but i certainly know that they are much more visible than they were before…
electrolysis damage to skin is very confusing to me…I mean when I’m for example outside, in daylight it can’t be seen at all cause skin texture on pits is just the same as on healthy skin…but when the lightening is above me, or from sides it is visible! i mean electrolysis scarring is much different than any other i’ve ever seen in my whole life…looks like the damage is done deep in skin…
i wrote above that im using 100% tee tree oil…should i skip to something else? what can tee tree oil do for my skin?
Hi IVMI,
Here you can see the ingredients http://www.bio-oil.com/en/ingredients/index.html
You should be able to order it through the internet.
Believe me it is a miracle product.
Many people I know are astonished by it’s accomplishments.
It even helps on old scar tissue…
I don’t think it’s the same as tea tree oil…But I am not sure…
It does not appear to be pitting. When I look upward, northwest of the area that you have circled, I see the exact same thing in other areas. So, this resulted from a treatment done 15 days ago. Am I understanding that correctly? You say that you have not been overtreated? That may be a clue that these are temporary marks and any pigment will probably fade with time ( weeks to months). Even though they look like acne skin manifestations, you know your own skin better than anybody and so I will believe along with you that these marks are related to electrolysis. I am not magical enough to know if they will disappear over time, but will tell you that clients do see a complete or near complete healing given enough time. Let nature take her course. It’s hard to say if Bio Oil will speed this along. When people use such medicants, it is hard to know if the topical was responsible for speeding the healing process along or if it just happened on it’s own through your body’s own healing powers. Eat right, sleep well, don’t smoke and avoid prolonged sun exposure. Nothing works better than good lifestyle habits for skin care. In addition, what you do AFTER you leave the electrologist’s office can affect your healing outcome.
Good electrolysis care is the best thing you can do to prevent this. If one is over treated, they complain of prolonged skin marks, If one is slightly under treated then the client complains of too much regrowth, even if it is lighter, fine hair that returns. The electrologist is constantly trying to find the middle road. An electrologist must “read” the skin while working and make adjustments. That is why we harp about quality magnification all the time so she/he can see how the skin reacts while we are treating hairs of all sizes and depths, with all the different skin types, with all different kinds of immune responses that clients present to us. There are a lot of hurdles to overcome when removing hair permanently and that is why skill is needed.
Should you just stop getting electrolysis? If you can’t find someone good (not perfect - no one is perfect) then, yes. I see no red flags in regard to what you told me about your previous electrologist. She adjusted things and you say you were not overtreated. That leaves me to consider that your own healing powers reflect more on the place circled in the picture. Maybe your immune system goes into double action to mend skin irritation?? Am I making an intelligent guess? Yes.
Ivmi,
You certainly were overtreated. Your pictures show that. What I said about medicants to jimmy applies to you as well. What I said to jimmy about healing applies to you as well. It is a little risky to put tea tree on so close to your eyes. Pure aloe vera gel would be my first and only choice at this point. Use as it as often as you like. Again, doing something makes one feel as if they are helping this along when most likely, it is all up to those lifestyle points on skin care that I listed in jimmy’s post that make the true impact.
Well about Bio-Oil.
A friend of mine had severe scarring due to an accident in his face.
For years it was so noticable!
Then he started applying bio oil and really (like the testimonials say, yeah i know many timem it’s crap but these aren’t) the scar became so much less within a year(!) unbelievable!
I am not trying to advocate a product because I am related to it or anything like that.
I am a psychologist, I have nothing to do with these things but believe me Bio-oil does miracles…That’s my experience and I use it for my own scars because the skin becomes flexible again…
Okay, thanks. That is good information to know.
Toeman, you are a trusted member of the community. We expect that what you say is what you believe. It is not like you are some fly by night person who registers and posts 10 posts at 3am all glorifying some product they obviously have a stake in.
Hi Dee,
Thanks for replying me in so much detail.Its so nice of u.You all guys are really helping.
I am very happy about your comments that these marks are not pits or scars.And I hope that they will finish and will not leave any mark on my skin for long term.
But I don’t understand one thing that if one area is over treated or not we can only judge this if there is scabbing at that point.?Am I right or we can get scars or these marks without getting scabs.?This is little confusing because I am only assuming that if there is no severe scabbing than there is no over treatment done.
In my case I don’t have hairs that are very near to each other they are on different places not close to each other.So interconnected scabs can not generate from them. So how we can now the area is over treated.I am now getting confused.
Yes she changed the things but this happened after the changed things.But if I know that these are temporary side effects then this will be hope to continue my treatment.Because there are no more options here in Germany for electrologist.They are very few here and not in every city.
Thank you very much for answering me.
Regards,
Jimmy
For facial areas, the repeated process of scabbing, time after time of treatments, can produce pitting, scarring, pigmentation changes, and a loss of tissue structure. I don’t accept scabbing as normal for facial areas and I tell my clients that I want to know if this if it happens to them so I can make adjustments for the next treatement. For many years, electrologists have been taught to accept scabs as a normal healing process. If I see small pinpoint scabs here and there, I don’t go on high alert. If there are large scabs that are close together and take 5-6 weeks to heal, then that is bad news and that is what should alert clients and electrologists alike. I have found that if the skin healing is good and it takes less than a week to heal, then one doesn’t have to worry about pitting, scarring, hyperpig, tissue shrinking, etc. Good healing keeps everyone relaxed.
I Appreciate that James.
Hi Dee,
Thank you so much for replying.One thing that I want to clarify is If this is possible to get scars or pitting without getting scabs?
Dee in my case I don’t have hairs that are very near to each other so I don’t get scabs that are interconnected.But I got every time very small scabs or may be one or two little big scabs but they all fall away between one to two week time.
But on the ears I got scabs and they take little more time to heal for example 15 days.I always told her about scabs and she says don’t worry this is normal.
I don’t know if she is going high.
And why this process is so confusing that you get scars,pitting after many months.Because i get scabs every time may be small ones(pint point scabs) and they become scars after some months and my electrologist always says don’t worry.
Thank you very much for answering me.
Regards,
Jimmy
Some electrologists are not concerned with scabbing. They had been taught to accept scabbing as a normal healing process and it is a normal process for skin tissue which is damaged to form a protective covering as this allows for epithelial healing to take place. As a cosmetic therapist/electrologist, I do not accept it as normal. With that said, it does happen sometimes and that is our constant challenge to do all we can to keep the client’s skin appearance in mind. I know it is possible to perform a treatment without scabbing to the facial areas. Body areas are different. Expect scabbing.
Is it possible to get scars or pitting without getting scabs? Yes. If you are treating an area too soon again without allowing the swelling to subside, the ongoing swelling keeps the skin surface smooth and normal looking and masks the deep tissue damage taking place. When the treatments end and the swelling subsides, that is when you see some unevenness. Spread those treatments out so complete healing takes place.
Below are the words of Michael Bono, electrologist and author of the book, The Blend Method which is the gospel of “Saints” Arthur Hinkel and Henri Saint-Pierre who invented blend electrolysis in 1938. Some things have changed from that time, but the scientific principles have not changes.
Michael Bono wrote,
“Permanent scarring from electrolysis is rare. The lesion you see after a month or so does not necessarily portend the final outcome. Remember, the skin is alive and resilient and continues to restructure itself for up to 18 months following injury. Most “lasting” marks become undetectable after 12 months or so”
Again, our purpose remains to not treat the hair follicle above and beyond necessity. Our job is to destroy the lower portion of the hair follicle without affecting the the upper epithelial tissue of the epidermis. Signs of overtreatment are blanching,weeping follicles,scabbing,blistering,changes in pigmentation,too much swelling and redness. We need to control the electrical energy. The computerized epilators of today allow us to control the energy much better than the the knob jobs of yesteryears past. Use of good magnification allows us to quickly spot intense current that is rising to the top layer of skin and thus, we can change course immediately to prevent adverse skin reactions. Skill and quality set up equals better outcome.
Hi Dee,
Thanks for your reply and for explaining.Yes you are right my electrologist also says that this is normal don’t worry.I don’t know she is using modern equipment or not and good magnification or not.I did not ask her about the equipment during my consultation.This was my mistake but now after two treatments I hesitate to ask her about the equipment.
Here is her website link she has a photograph there with her machine may be you can look for me this is on the first page if this is possible for you.Because you have the more knowledge of machines may be you can guess this is the modern or old machine.
And secondly every time I got scabs on my ears and face.More than 90 percent scabs are not visible but on the ears all scabs are visible.I only feel the face scabs when I wash my face after 2 days of treatment.
I want to take your suggestion.I should continue with this electrologist or if I should go to some other electrologist.The problem is there is no electrologist in my area.Every time I have to travel for 2 to 3 hours for my treatment.
I have too much stress about what I should do.
Thank you very much.
Regards,
Jimmy
Those scars surrounded by the red circle seem to me very old acne scars.
Her epilator looks digital, so don’t worry about that part. I don’t know what type probe she uses You are kind of stuck if there is no other electrologist to sample. Overtreatment on the ears can cause the cartiledge to shrink, so confer closely with her about that scabbing. I don’t get scabbbing on my clients ears. Bikini lines and lower legs - yes, but not the ears.