Brazilian/Hollywood possible?

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#61

Such a busy week…
It has occurred to me that perhaps, before I waste valuable time posting a reply twice as voluminous as the post in question, I should ask if anyone really cares to have such a thing here to read?

The professional part of this is already pretty clear to many who have read this string. The hidden part that could use some fleshing out would be information about events, misunderstandings, and perceptions between a limited number of people. I am not sure how public discussion of these issues, facts, and the inevitable rebuttals of the same offer much positive to the profession.

I find it highly dubious that such was even posted in a public forum in the first place. While I have my thoughts as to why this happened, this requires one person to divine the thoughts and intentions of another.

So, anyway, I would like some feedback from you all. It doesn’t have to be here in public. (may be better if it is not… feel free to use more private means) Just let me know if anyone really cares to hear “the rest of the story.”

#62

Yes, it is possible to give a guarantee. The key is to remove all the hairs of the areas along your experience has shown they are likely to become terminal hairs. The guy of Dee for example, she has absolutely every hair removed. If her kill rate is as I imagine, she will need less than half the time taken for the first time, to return to leave the area clean again. Eliminating all hairs (fine and medium) before they become terminal hairs, nothing in the world, even over time get these follicles produce hair ever.

Michael said once or twice that he takes the measure of the palm of his hand to see how much can be done in an hour if the density of hairs is maximum. Thus, the second clearance take two palms of his hand, or maybe a little more. But of course, this is only if you are using “wait and clear” strategy.

#63

A scientific approach yielding a realiable formula for calculation would be preferred.

#64

“I agree that underarms shouldn’t take 175 hours and male genitals should not cost $4,600, but details about the variables do make a difference, so it could be that amount?”

I have not enough experience to determine the maximum amount that can cost male genitalia, but I have a lot in female underarms, and believe me, this is absolutely unacceptable. Furthermore, what do we mean by male genitalia? the base of the penis? all the scrotum? perineum? perianal area? also bikini line? then yes, it may take more hours than lower legs.

“I’m not sure there can be a standard established because of those variables mentioned earlier by James and David, which all electrologists know exist…”

James mentioned a variable which in my opinion is not within the TTT, the client’s refusal to continue treatment for the day. This also happened to me, one of my clients chose to take the rest of the day and enjoy a walk on our beaches. Since I had reserved for him all day, he insisted on paying me for services not provided, despite my refusal to accept. So TTT does not include the time you take to visit the falls or the beaches of Malaga, even if it was paid.
The variables mentioned by David, can easily be controlled, if you do not discriminate between fine and coarse hairs.

#65

gently tiptoes into a smolder-y thread I’m a little late to the convo, and most times a lurker (just because I don’t know that I have all that much to contribute), but I just wanted to say that for ALL the professionals posting here, I have learned at least a little something from each and every one of you – and generally loads more. Even when you disagree, it can be helpful to others if only by bringing up new approaches or points of view that hadn’t been considered before. :slight_smile:

#66

Thank you for what I’m concerned, Leah. You just give us a lesson!

David, You will have a “scientific” formula. Give me a few days to show.

#67

We have already discussed on HairTell how the reason why it is hard to tell clients even a first clearance figure is because the treatment time formula goes something like:

Amount of Hair in Treatment Area divided by Amount of Hair Specific Practitioner Can Remove on YOU in That Treatment Area in an Hour equals Number of Hours To First Clearance. (Keep in mind that different hairs, some very close together, will have different rates of removal and different treatment energies)

Missed hairs, and Percentage Kill Rate dictates how many hairs will be left to be treated on the second time around, when the growth pattern restarts in about a year.

Practitioner treatment norms, and Client adherence to scheduling dictates if and when full clearances can be achieved, so that fastest time to completion may be realized, or not.

Of course, a more formal and easier to understand formula is welcome… especially if it works.

#68

I wanted to see for myself what is the average surface that can be done in an hour, using a careful but steady pace. Anyone with experience of 1500 hours of “flight” can work with this speed, if he or she is using a fast thermolysis, or an adapted Blend.



An hour later …

24 hours later…




Curiously, the palm of my hand coincides with the surface of the treated area. Why does this not surprise me? It must be because coming from Michael, you have the guarantee that things will work out.

And as this thread is full of great music … the music play!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCya1yiFFP4

#69

Wow you sure are fast Josefa! impressive. I almost begin to think you can clear my whole hand in one hour.

#70

64 Square Centimeters (approx 8x8) @ 20-25 Hairs Per Square Centimeter?

#71

[b]TEST PATCH:[/b]

This is my example of one hours worth of work. It is about the size of my palm, maybe a little less because the hair count is so dense.

#72

DSC00173.jpg1024×768

DSC00140.jpg1024×768

I think the above area took me an hour and 15 minutes back in March, the 24th to be exact.

This next one is the same area on the 20th October. The area has only been treated once. It’s my sons lower leg, he’ll do anything for money but I don’t think he was expecting it to work this well :wink:

#73

Hi follizap, what probe, modality and strategy did you use? Thank you.

#74

Wonderful!!! Extraordinary results, but this I already knew. :grin:

Folli, are you sure you do not want to move to Malaga?
I warn you that we have magnificent beaches … :wink:

…and you could always come loaded with good tea.

#75

Perhaps David, but I think it is a bit less. Some very fine hairs can not be seen in the photo, but I eliminated all because this guy is 22 years old and probably still some fine hairs, will eventually be terminal hairs.

#76

I agree, and because it is a difficult area to work. Dee, I have a one-hour photo made in this area as well, with the same apparent hair density. The clean surface looks the same as yours.

#77

Follizap, how much was the bribe? Guess who is the guy from my last photo? we should establish a fee for these guys, petty tyrants…

All for science and Hairtell!

#78

I didn’t have to pay out anything this time, I just promised him I wouldn’t come in drunk from the pub and beat him with my big stick like I normally do :wink:

#79

Follizap, that’s incredible!! And thank you for posting a before and after- the results are the most important, after all.

As a consumer, I’m rather pleased with the sharing of work that is going on here. Makes things transparent and educational.

#80

Ha ha ha
Oh, smart guy! Between the pain of blows and Electrolysis, I would have chosen the same. Especially after seeing the post-treatment skin and how sweet it is.