Brazilian/Hollywood possible?

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#1

Hey everyone,

I’ve been researching electrolysis for months now, i’ve got my heart set on getting the full brazilian/hollywood area done.

I was just wondering is it actually possible to do the full area, or are there ‘no go’ areas that some people can’t do?

Also, I read on these forums that some people have found a wrinkling or uneven skin pattern after having electrolysis (which apparently is normal)…I know it’s a mad question but will this happen down there? haha! the last thing i want is wrinkles there :wink:

I know the woman I want to see charges £70 per hour, does anyone have a way a I can work out roughly how much this will cost me? I currently have £3,000 to put towards this, not sure if it’s too much or not enough.

Sorry for so many questions, any help, guidance is much appreciated :slight_smile:

#2

Yes, it is possible, and we have examples on display in the Mature section of the forum. Go there if you dare.

Both post treatment result and cost (and time to completion)is variable from practitioner to practitioner. You can’t throw a dart into a phone book (do they still have those)…Ok, you can’t click “I’m feeling lucky” on google, and get the same treatment result from who ever pops up.

#3

At the current exchange rate (One British Pound = US$1.6) your 3,000 Pounds equates to $4,800. That’s more than enough to do your entire legs (female/complete) or about two full clearings of a man’s hairy back. Your “Brazilian” area should be no more than 500 Pounds ($800) total (inclusive of all treatments). Actually that is WAY more than it should cost! (Sorry I couldn’t find the Pounds symbol.) Get an accurate estimate from the therapist, in hours and money. This is a small area (sorry no pun intended) and very easily determined. And YES, “treatment hours to completion” (TTT) varies wildly between practitioners. ASK HOW MUCH! Doesn’t that seem like an obvious and legitimate question? (This is not an area affected by hormones: what you’ve got … that’s it!)

#4

Oh, also … absolutely no wrinkling on this area — ever. Healing is very fast and never any lasting marks.

#5

Why don’t you have laser hair removal and finish of any remaining hairs with electrolysis. I have had LHR in this area and any red bumps usually have gone within a day or two.I have had electrolysis on my ankles and chest to get rid of sparse hair, the electrolysis has left little scars which will take months to disappear completely. It will work out cheaper as well having LHR.

#6

Interesting juxtaposition of the last two posts: One recommending LHR because it was effective, and the next one “condemning” LHR for “total failure.” I think that any therapist delivering any modality to a patient should guarantee the work, and if it actually FAILS all the person’s money should be returned.

The hair removal consumer seriously needs help on these issues and should not be left alone to struggle with physicians (or others) that have designed neat “release forms” that exonerate them from liability. Am I the only one getting fed up?

I could have my attorney design “consumer forms” for use with both elecrolysis and laser. If I do this, and pay for it of course, I would want these forms available for free (PDF) from Hairtell. Is that a possibility on this site? One inquiring mind want to know.

#7

Thankyou James and Michael, you’ve both been helpful (and it’s great to know I won’t wind up with a wrinkly vajay hehe!)

I had considered laser, but I’ve read it’s not considered permanent and regrowth will occur meaning I’ll need to top up every now and again and this is something I really don’t want to do.

from my understanding from this forum the little white scars are where your skin has had a tan? and I definitely have no tan there haha! But i’m not too concerned about the scab/red healing process if it means i’ll have permanent results that i’ll be happy with in the long run :slight_smile:

#8

YES MICHAEL I AM TOTALLY INTERESTED IN A FORM SUCH AS THAT ! And perhaps it could be available through your website too ?
Oasis, reality is , hair or bare, one day, not too long from now,
even your precious v WILL wrinkle!! :slight_smile:

#9

Since anyone can post anything on HairTell, I can’t understand why one would question the ability to do such a thing… but if you need to hear it directly stated; yes, you can do that.

#10

I would be surprised that you could get more than just first and (maybe) a second clearance in only 7 hours (based upon £500 at £70/hr). The territory is a different for me, but my pubic clearance took MANY more hours than that. Still, now that I’m clear, it takes months for a very few hairs to even become noticeable to me (and probably not to anyone else but my electrologist).

#11

When electrolysis is a situation where the variables are many, I can’t understand anyone saying that any area being treated by any practitioner (as if they all are the same) should not cost more than any arbitrary number. It is a disservice to the industry to say such publicly.

When one can’t say how many hairs are in the treatment area, how they are spaced, how many levels of texture, presence or absence of distortions, client tolerance for treatment, practitioner speed, speed of modality utilized, and client frequency of visits, just to name a few, how can one estimate treatment time, or costs for any person, hypothetical, or specific?

While it may be easier to say that one has never encountered such a treatment area that took one more than a certain amount of time and money, that still doesn’t say that there is no one out there who would not pose a special problem to push you past those previous limits.

Sure, it may be easy to say that some practitioners are faster than others, it sure seems suspect to say that all practitioners, utilizing many and varied methods should deliver the same results.

#12

Due to the infinite number of variables involved including the potential for new hair growth (of which I am not responsible) in the treated area, including but not limited to the degree of client follow through (or lack thereof), my services are are NOT “guaranteed.” I believe it is up to the individual electrologist on how they wish to approach this as a business model. If a “guarantee” works and the clients are happy, that’s all that matters.

#13

Indeed, there is a long list of variables we can not control. However, when you have sufficient experience, and worked in all kinds of cases in both men and women, from teenagers to seniors, you can predict how things will evolve.

In March this year, I worked in the beard of a boy from Russia. 28 hours to do the entire face, neck, and some hairs on the ears. 2 months ago I said in one of the emails we exchanged that if I needed more than 14 hours in the second clearance, I would do the rest free. Well, the time has come, the second clearance will be finished next Monday. About 15 hours, we have taken a bit longer because my client had a bad cold and the work was interrupted by frequent coughing.

When development of the hair system in a given area has stabilized, you leave enough time for the hairs appear on the surface, and know your level of effectiveness, the electrologist can predict time of the next clearance, and thus garantee the Time Total Treatment.

#14

Well said Jossie … Brav-issimo!

I didn’t intend to get anybody’s hackles in a tether. I checked back in this thread, and the UK guy was thinking that having his “package” done might cost him $4,800! Dear Lord, no way!

I’m just finishing up a guy from Toronto and also did the “package.” We did 4 hours for the first clearing … so that actually will end up at about $800 total.

Of course, what constitutes “the package” could mean one thing to one person and something to another. (You DO need to see the area and talk to each individual.) Still, over the years, I sort of know what people want. Sorry if I upset any of my venerated colleagues.

Also, one of my favorite posters, Hairadicator said: “due to the INFINITE number of variables involved, including the potential for new hair growth … “

Gosh, I hate to disagree, but such “hair growth factors” are not “infinite!” They are indeed FINITE! Yes, plenty of variables but eventually, if you check your records, giving some sort of estimate is not out of the question. Have I ever been wrong … oh my yes!

Normally, the first clearing of a hairy man’s back is 40 hours. The fellow just here a bit ago took 50 hours! So, yes, I was wrong. However, the second clearing was, as promised, HALF the time of the first … and so on, right on schedule.

Can TTT vary between practitioners? Well, about 15 years ago there was a case against an electrologist for having spent 175 hours on a woman’s underarms! (She said she was, at this point, “half finished.”) And, in my own town, one colleague spent 127 hours on a man’s beard … only the area below his chin!

There have to be SOME very basic standards and some notion of what constitutes a reasonable treatment. 175 hours on underarms? Not one of you would consider that appropriate.

If therapists (all of them in all fields) would spend less time counting their money, and “do the math” from their own records, this entire question would become a neutral non-issue.

#15

Did you see what just happened?
WoW

#16

Yes, I do.

It’s called legitimate disagreement between experts: it’s the lifeblood of every thriving industry and of the Republic itself … democracy!

Actually, I thrive (as Jossie knows first hand) from disagreement. I learn little from agreement based on affection. I was raised that way: hot discussions with people I loved. That’s why we have Democrats and Republicans and not a dictatorship. “Go Romney” … or is it “Go Obama?” I’m still deciding!

The “frustration” for me is that I can’t fully express myself on any internet blog such as this one. My writing, because of the limited nature of the text, becomes catroonish and so simplified as to sometimes yield the wrong meaning. I apologize.

Writing a full chapter in a book, I can discuss all the nuances and fill in the blanks with facts and figures to support any supposition. Indeed, this topic deserves AT LEAST an entire chapter … maybe two … to fully delve into the subjects of TTT and guarantees.

But these definitive data are what the customers want! They deserve it. And, to varying degrees, we can do this. I hope nobody is making this a “personal thing” … that was not my intention. My intention originally was to speak to the actual question posed to this august group from the UK “package” guy.

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#17

They most certainly do.

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When I started having electrolysis treatments, the thing that frustrated me the most was the apparent uncertainty of it all. With the electrologist not being to give me an idea of how long it will take to remove the hairs in an area, how many hours I’d need to completion or even if the follicles that were being treated were definitely being killed or if they would produce a hair again. This is why I kept searching and that search led me to someone who can give accurate predictions.

Now some still say that cases cannot be predicted well because of ‘other factors’ but I disagree. Josefa tirelessly displays cases to show this but I have first hand experience from her treatment of myself and my sister. Beyond giving a fairly accurate estimation of the first clearance, there is also an accurate estimation of regrowth and how long second and third clearances will take and what sort of skin reaction can be expected. It’s right there in my sister’s thread that the second clearance of her sideburns would take 30 mins based on the expected regrowth - and that’s exactly what happened!

An experienced electrologist, who knows how many follicles they can remove in a given time and who knows that every follicle they treat is killed, will be able to predict.

I still think TTT depends on how many hairs per minute can be removed. But I’d rather go to someone slower who kills every follicle they treat and therefore be able to give you a good estimation, than someone fast who doesn’t know how long it’s going to take.

To the original poster, I hope you can find someone. £3000 is more than enough if the electrologist is doing their job properly but therein the problem lies.

#18

No, you missed it.
Those who saw what I saw are either shaking their heads, smiling, or laughing out loud.

#19

I see that there is no disagreement here. :grin: It is so nice to see that all four of my colleagues agree that [size:17pt][color:#FF9900]VARIABLES[/color][/size] exist and that means that an accurate Total Treatment Times cannot be given up front, unless you want to give away free work. While you can try to give estimates for your work and what you know you can do personally for a client, you can’t guarantee what another electrologist can do for the same client because of differences in modality choice and treatment protocol’s used.

Peace on earth and good will towards all mankind in our lifetime.

#20

Michael and Josefa,

I would respect your opinion here. What is your Total Treatment Time for a back, shoulder and upper arm case like this?

Thanks,

Dee