Will the irritation ever go away?!

Hello! I have lurked here for some time. Long story short:

-27 y/o African American female
-Currently receiving electrolysis on my face and neck (Mixture of blend and shortwave)
-Have had approx 10 hours of work done so far in bi-weekly hour long sessions
I am concerned about the irritation caused from the electrolysis. It is a combination of redness, small “bumps”, and what looks like " dark brown shadows" from some of the ingrown hairs. I do have 1 or 2 “shiny white scars” and I know those are beyond repair. When I see pictures online of the “Before and After” electrolysis, I wonder how long did it take for the skin to repair itself? Thanks!

Welcome Coffee and TV (really funny name).

Temporary skin reaction is okay and is expected with electrolysis. Quality pictures, if you care to submit some, are always helpful. It is always suggested that you communicate with your electrologist so she or he can see first hand their handwork and then decide to make some adjustments, if they think it is even necessary.

The first four to six months are not easy. These difficult months show hair cycle after hair cycle coming through in a furious way, especially if you did anything that pulls out the hair (tweezing, waxing, sugaring, threading) prior to your first electrolysis session. You just need to “read one word at a time and turn one page at a time until you reach the end of the book”. Permanent hair removal takes time and careful adherence to a good plan with a skilled practitioner. Work closely with your electrologist. She can see you and knows how tough your particular hair is and how your skin reacts.

Some skin manifestations can take anywhere from three weeks to three months to resolve. Some, to fully repair and restructure can be as long as 12-18months. Many clients come to us with terrible skin because of their temporary methods, so we don’t start off with perfect and healthy skin in the beginning.

I hope some consumers can answer your questions. Trouble is, their problems get resolved and then they have no need to come back and contribute. The book is closed because they have reached the end of their story.

Good luck to you !

Here two pics. Thanks!

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My face does not break out like my neck which is a great thing. I just hate the look of my neck right now.

I know for me, my neck took a lot longer to heal than my face. It’ll all eventually go. Some of the bumps I had after electrolysis were more ingrowns that developed, but then eventually my electrologist got them, the skin healed, and now it looks much more beautiful. I’m sure the same will happen for you

If you go to the video link posted below and look at 8:40, you will see a woman who has had her “mask area” cleared, and we are just started in on the area below the jawline. She previously had lots of scar tissue and dark pigmentation from years of plucking in a male pattern on her face.

My point, the area below her chin now looks like the area above the jawline now that the hair removal and the healing has caught up.

I hope you too will have the same experience.

Good Luck

Straight Talk About Electrolysis

Thanks for the responses! Im using TendSkin and that seems to help some. I am also getting frustrated because I have been going to this particular electrolysis since Sept. (Total of 10 hours) However, I had also been going to an electrolysis previously for approx 2 years! (Weekly sessions w/ manual) Ive seen a reduction in the thickness of the hairs but I still have a lot of regrowth. Am I not going frequently enough? Settings not high enough? HELP!!!

I have been receiving weekly sessions on my face since the end of August and I swear by Dr. Eckstein’s Azulen paste. You can get it online for $18. It is a small jar but it lasts a long time. I have used it religiously after my sessions and sometimes on other days and I still have some left. I noticed the one time that I did not use it, there was a HUGE difference in skin irritation/ scabbing the next day. I am just a consumer and I promise that I am in no way associated with the brand.

What are the list of ingredients in Dr. E’s Azulen paste?

Coffee and TV, thanks for the pictures. Lots of bumps in your pictures. I can see hair in most of them. The hair has got to go so the skin can settle down and you are making strides to do just that. Ten hours is not enough. You need many more sessions and each session should be focused and carefully dedicated to disabling each and every one of those bothersome hair follicles.

I am a fan of dabs of tea tree oil, with the purest, coldest aloe vera gel applied right over top of freshly treated skin like yours.

Fasten your seat belt and steadily go forward. Stay close to your electrologist. Stay true to a plan and this will get resolved.

Thank you for the response, dfahey. I would like to ask if you would look at two more pictures of my “situation” and just give me your opinion on how you would treat me (the method, frequency of sessions, etc.) Is that ok?

I can do that, but know that you shouldn’t go back to your electrologist and tell her what to do based on what I may choose to do. I have gotten feedback from other electrologists that they always hate it when clients come to them from Hairtell acting like they know more than their electrologist. So, don’t do that, please.

There are many paths to victory in this profession.

Ok. Here goes…

P.S. And no, I will not go back to my electrolysis with this information. :slight_smile: Thank you for helping.

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First if all, the neck is a different animal. For one thing, it is one of those areas that can be hard to position and work on for the electrologist, but eventually we all have our little tricks when it comes to positioning and we plow through it. Secondly, it can heal differently than the face - it may take longer on some people and there may be some marks for a longer time. Those marks do fade and disappear within several weeks to several months, especially if you are a woman of color. Not to fear.

The one thing that jumped out for me was your comment about having had ten hours, since September. I don’t know what the areas looked like before she started, but trust me, you need more than ten hours and being into this for four months is just the beginning.

It takes on average 9-18 months to bring you home fully, but within six months time you should know that you are going in a better direction. Within 15- 20 clearances, you know something has gone right.

My plan for you would always include having you on the table long enough to get a full clearance of all bothersome hair, sending you home to heal and then seeing you again in three weeks, until the density and percentage of hair cycling in slows down. I would have you clip between treatments - not shave. You may be using dabs of tea tree oil, followed by the purest aloe vera gel straight from the refrigerator for your aftercare routine. Tea tree once a day at bedtime and aloe anytime you want. Aquaphor is nice, too. Some people use no aftercare and they do fine. As you get beyond six months, you may not need to do anything. We would go with the flow.

All modalities under the banner of electrolysis work beautifully. I like to use thermolysis, personally. More hairs are removed per minute. I have three thermolysis modalities that I can choose to use depending on the situation. If my instincts click in and I think blend would be better for you, I would do blend. Yesterday, I had a new client and she wanted blend because that is what her former electrologist used on her. So, I used blend on her and it was lovely, too. All electrologists should be proficient with using all modalities in order to serve their clients needs.

I would have sterile lancets close by so I could gently lift out any ingrowns and treat them. This would slow us down a bit, but it is well worth it. Some ingrowns, I leave alone until they come closer to the surface. There can be some blood with this, but not much, so don’t freak out, it’s okay.

Whatever strategy your electrologist is using, she is probably the most comfortable doing. Please don’t complain about how long it takes at four months. That can make some of us feel that we need to crank up the power and then you get unnecessary skin reaction. Do not rush your practitioner. Hair is a tough enemy and when it is twisted and curvy and thick and deep and imbedded on an area that is hard to reach, we work harder and slower sometimes. Be very patient and communicate with your practitioner. You have to be partners. All this will be worth the money you are spending. It does work.

Your explanation, Dee Dee, was beautiful and “spot on” as always. Ditto and Bravo! I want to comment on your statement: “Hair is a tough enemy!” In total agreement, of course.

Hairs, well unwanted ones, seem almost alien. One client said he felt they were growing ON his body, like some parasite. I suppose we all feel like this to some degree.

However, evolution has designed hairs as part of our biological system. They were designed to be torn-out and then stubbornly re-grow. Removing hairs is, actually, fighting nature!

And pain? Well, the body sends this message when something bad is happening to it. Again, a natural function.

Hairs are not “in or on” the skin. Hairs ARE the skin. Only a few stem cells in a follicle can regenerate an entire new hair: and they do it all the time. Zapping all the cellular “target area” is no easy task. The balance between “just enough” current, and “too much” is truly for the experts only.

As Dee Dee says, this is going to take you (original poster) about a year or so of consistent treatments. Yes, we are living in a “modern age,” (and are used to instant results), but our “enemy hair” is ancient and prehistoric and well designed for survival … and a daunting task indeed.

We are fighting nature itself!

Thank you for your replies! I appreciate it very much. And yes, I understand this will take time however, I was with an electrologist for approx 1.5 years consistently BEFORE the one I am seeing now. (I moved from my home state which is why I had to switch.) So the 4 months I have been with my new electrologist is in addition to the 1.5 years I was with my previous electrologist. (No breaks) That is why I am getting frustrated. I just feel with the combination, I should see more progress. But I have been in this over 2 years now so I have no plans of stopping. I just don’t know why I am not farther along than this.

Also, you say, clearances. My appts are 1 hour and sometimes she doesn’t clear all the hair. She usually does 30 min of blend then 30 mins of shortwave.

I would be frustrated, too.

It Is not possible to know all the details, so as to figure out why this seriously lagging. Did you ever have some laser treatments?

Hi Coffee,

Thanks for you PM and email. Like Dee, I’m at a loss for giving you any explanation on what seems like failed treatments.

James Walker (here on Hairtell) is the guy for you to talk to at this point. He is super familiar with working on cases like yours (based also on his own personal experiences) and I recommend that you contact him (which you probably have already done?).

Keep us informed as to your progress.

Hi Dee,

Here are the ingredients in Dr. Eckstein’s Azulen Paste. Like I said, I swear by it.

INCI: Zinc Oxide, Aqua, Lanolin, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Olus, Decyl Oleate,Cetearyl Ethylhexanoate, Alcohol Denat., Octyl Stearate, Myroxylon Pereirae, Sorbitan Oleate, Sorbitan Sesquioleate, Ceresin, Trilaurin, Ichthammol, PEG-7 Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Stearyl Heptanoate, Aluminium/Magnesium Hydroxide Stearate, Hydrogenated Castor Oil, Cera Alba, Cetyl Palmitate, Lanolin Alcohol, Phenoxyethynol, Parfum, Trihydroxystearin, Stearyl Caprylate, Azulene, Chamomilla Recutita, Tocopheryl Acetate, Stearic Acid, Allantoin, Methyl-,Ethyl-,Propylparaben, Pyridoxine, Riboflavin, Thiamine HCl, Linalool, Tocopheryol, Ascorbyl Palmitate, Limonene, Retinyl Palmitate, Coumarin, Alpha Methyl Ionone, Amyl Cinnamal, Geraniol, Citronellol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Alcohol

Thoughts?

So I’d like to give an update! I had my blood levels checked and my testosterone returned slightly high. (10 points above high end normal) I have started 25mg Spironolactone daily this week. I’m a an RN plus I weight lift so starting this medication with the added side of possible hypotension unnerved me. My plan is to stay on 25 mg daily for approx 6 weeks then possibly increase to 37.5mg daily then maybe hit 50mg if my B/P can hold it. Anyway, now that I am on this medication, my question: From your experiences working on clients on Spironolactone what may I expect re: the hair on my face and neck? Will the medication make electrolysis more effective? If so, in what way? (Thinner hair, easier kills of the follicles?) I am trying to be patient and realistic and Im just really trying to not let this get me down. :slight_smile: Thanks everyone!

P.S. The only level out of whack was my testosterone. Ive had an ultrasound which was negative for cysts on ovaries and I have no problems with monthly cycles. No problems with diabetes or insulin resistance. I just don’t present PCOS-ish at all so no dx of PCOS for me.