LAgirl
I already decided to not to write this thread, but your post was too much.
You’re just repeating what you’ve been taught.
I was taught that gays are normal. I was not a muslim and your all ideas was in my head.
(…) you think you know “the truth” and what’s “good” and “bad”. You don’t. (…) There is no unbiased proof that your “truth” is any more valid than anyone else’s “truth”.
I do not have “my” truth. I am not I philosopher. After seeing signs and proofs, I agreed to what claims to be from All-Knowing One, Who has truths.
What people claim in this thread - it is just their culture and prejudice. Like Mr. Bono, who do not feel irony in his post with its claim that it is me who are rude or he knows Islam, etc.
His “greatest post in this forum history” was just a in his culture based product of false and messy ideas mixed with ignorance and tolerance, btw.
I am not demanding tolerance, just lets not claim it, if do not have it.
After I mentioned that my values (based in my religion) are limiting me in offered services, then this thread turned in constant belittling of religion. I am not a tolerant person to what other are tolerant because of their different values (which are just their culture from media). And I am not calling myself a tolerant when I am accepting what I agree and belitteling and derogating with what I do not accept.
Most of my posts was to show irony and cultural prejudice/values (often messy) of expressed opinions and selfperception, but I failed that people would look over their culture.
When was pointed to values which do not accept gays and transgenders, then I pointed that why is not accepted other cases of adult choices like incest or that german canibal case. (Some accepted incest, and some I guess are not. Transgender from Germany called that cannibal man “crazy”. So some choices are already made by media “normal”. Now media work on that anal sex or swingers should be accepted.)
And about religion was typical western (especially it is in Europe) perception of religion:
It is unrational fancy or hobby which kept Europe in “dark ages” and is mostly for uneducated and reality/science rejecting people. It is ok, if they keep it as hobby and keep themselves as good people, but let religion stay in church. We do not return no middle ages.
Well, that is west and christianity.
Islam never claims to be “just believe” and that belief is irrational. On opposite - it claims that rejecting belief in Creator is irrational. While not claiming that muslim world is living according Islam (may be only some 5-15% of muslim that have minimum knowldege and lifestyle of muslim), it is not muslim history with burning scientist. What is wrong christianity/church/christians/cultural christians, - that is another topic.
Never has been in muslim history that there have been punished muslim scientists for his discoveries.
And second point which forced to reply when again it is talking about wrong perception of God - typical “Why there is evil?/Why does bad things happen with good people?”
This is problem for “church christianity/leaflet christianity” and not for Islam.
Yes, God do evil things. Because to understand and have a difference in our understanding about good and evil. Because there is no “pure evil” and every evil contains more good than evil even if arrogant people think that they understand everything.
Noone can deny that God do evil unless they are making Him “nonGod” by rejecting that everything is under his control and according to his will. Look, Satan and his helpers exist and as us completely depends on Creator and Sustainer for existance and environment.
But in all this is more good than evil. When Adam and Eve sinned in Paradise by disobeying God (in Islam they both, not majority sin on Eve as in Christianity; also in Islam there is no original sin, because nobody bears/shares guilt of somebody else unless he participated in sin.). Their disobeying is evil. But then they turned with asking forgiveness to God and He forgives to every sincere repenter.
So out of evil (disobeyince) turned great good (religios practice of both by repentence and turning to God, and understanding of God atributes of forgivness and mercy).
Also many evil things happen because it is sign for people that their lifestyle is wrong. Wrong lifestyle mostly bring bad results and every wrong lifestyle brings bad result in the end (as need to look afterlife in this judging of result).
Also bad things is for people that they can this way with their suffering take out their sin and not to pay for it in Afterlife. Here needs to say, that God forgives every repented sin and will forgive much of what He will want at Judgement day. But people are arrogant and repenting is hard and includes to admit values prescribed by God. That what was done is not good and allowed, even if it is so by some cultures or selfdeceiving.
So like modern muslims are humiliated and suffering because God warned about this is His Book (His, not unknown people Mark, Luke, Mathew and John; Church was trying to be coherent with recognized science and turned against unfitting discoveries, because their scripture is defective as it is distorted Books of God and prophets, and just religious writers). He warned about what will happen with believers when they abandons lifestyle of believers. Then God will show them their wrong attitude by humiliating them and making enemies of God over them.
But in the same time, majority of people with muslim names are more or less still believers, and their suffering because of disrespect to God will give redeem them from much of punishment in Afterlife.
But one who do not look on life of individual by taking in account afterlife, is bad mathematician. But those who do not believe in afterlife, are claiming that there is no God or He is unjust, if He allows justice not to prevail.
Ok, I understand that this post can bring some replies, - I did it because of my duty to God, because there ex-christian culture type misconceptions I felt bad not to give insight of wrong direction of them.
Also as I started to write I added some my pleasure to point irony. As for all off topic posts - I did not hear something what was not in my head 10 years ago, nor what I have heard saying already many times. Except approval of adult incest - that is rare.
Also I am tired. If I will have some progress with electrolysis, then it needs either new thread (with no words in “imagine” direction) or other forum. Admin could close this thread now or after insults on me or religion which I will get after this post.
And:
“I did not start a fire!”
“You have to fight! For your right! - to… “that insulting Islam and muslims is insult, too”.”
(I have no problem that people do not like/hate Islam and muslims (at least what they perceive about them) and insult is normal reaction (“I am just saying truth!”), but please - then do not call themselves a tolerant…)
