Oh yes indeedy, “Hitch” is one of my heroes!
I’m so proud of all of you. I say again: I’ve never met an electrologist I didn’t like! We are ruled by kindness and acceptance on a very personal level.
(Beate, did you get the mailing yet?)
No, i did not. But some kinds of mailings take a long time.
On the actual subject of the thread, the problem one has in this type of business is reaching and maintaining the critical mass to keep the business afloat.
Many years ago, while at a convention, a woman asked me if I could help her to increase her business income. She said that while she was spending steady money on advertising in all media, including on the sides of buses, she could not seem to break the $12,000 a year mark for her net accumulation after all expenses.
I said that I would do the best I could to brain storm with her, but that I needed to know about her business. While she told me that her office was a very expensive one, she believed that it was an asset in putting forth the right impression to clients. She also believed that she could not reduce her advertising budget, as she was not afraid that less visibility would translate to reduced business, not business staying steady.
I said, that I needed the answer to 3 questions: Do you treat men? Do you do bikini work, and do you accept pre-payments, or offer discounts for large package deals. Her answers to these questions were, “No, I don’t treat men! I don’t want any gays or weirdos in my business, and my husband might have a problem with it.” “No, I would never touch a woman down there, that’s sick, and the women who want that done are sluts!” And finally, she said, “I would never accept pre-payments, even at full price, because I would feel like I was working for nothing as I worked off the contract.”
I shrugged my shoulders and said, “I can’t help you.”
She was shocked, and angry. She said, “Why won’t you help me!”
I replied, “I can’t help you. The business averages about 400 billable hours for part-timers, and 800 billable hours for full-timers. You can’t raise your prices, without upgrading your equipment, and you are refusing the business that would give you either the customers who would increase your billable hours, or who are accustomed to paying a premium price for the service they are seeking. How, can I help you?”
In similar fashion, I wonder how you will make ends meet. Of course, if you can do ad ons, like telangiectasia, skin tag and mole removal, then you may have a shot.
Latvia’s most important confession are roman-catholic (80%), russian-orthodox (4.1%).
That is Lithuania. Latvia in German language is “Lettland” (or “Letland”?).
________Therefore we see the full range from a very liberal islam as often practiced in Turkey to the fundamental extreme. And we see evererything from respect toward women toward massive and violent supression, unfortunately with a tendency toward increase of the latter. Which in my eyes clearly is not inherent to the religion itself but more of a rise of fundamentalism.
So it does not tell us anything if muslim women of latvia do not feel supressed except that the regulations of the EU ensuring that freedom work.
Maybe You have a look at Afghanistan instead?
Beate________
Official law do not change much local culture. If in family women are beated up, then it does not matter where it is. Scots or germans are not beating women? Some do, and some not. In some cultures that is more tolerated (like russian) in some less (like sweden). In russian culture fat mamas often are beating up their thin husbands…
I have never been in Afghanistan, but I doubt that there violence against women is more often or much more often than in, let say, Poland. Despite oriental fairy tales which you have heard, situation which I have seen in arab world is different. Women are heads of family (men are soft rags). Since I have came to Sudan, I have seen only one face of women with suffusion under eye for one tea selling women. O, I guess you think that women in sudan do not work, they are only in homes and comes out with covered faces…
I know only one family violence case in Sudan. Man married second wife and first wife throw on his private parts a boiling oil. I gues man is out of hospital now…
And many of those latvian muslim women have married turks, arabs, pakistanies (including pashtuns! ;-D ) and live in their countries…
In muslim world beating up women most probably is rarer than russia and west. It is because majority do not use alcohol or drugs and because of extended family. Families is all the time connected, visited or lives together. Every father or her 7 brothers will come and ask why their princess is bruised up face…
But if you want to believe fairy tales from muslim hating media - that is your choice. If you want to take media distortions who show some deeds of ignorant people as true reflection of situation - that is your choice.
LAgirl:
All examples you present do harm to other people. That’s what we have laws for. Gay people or transgendered people do not inflict harm on others.
But what about incest between adults? Is it harming anybody? That is their choice.
And laws are changing according of ideology of elite of that time. 50 years ago there was laws against gays and lesbians. Now incest is forbidden, bet most progressive country Sweden have overcome with this prejudice, too.
Some years ago I watched TV about … how to say… “transspecies”… There where native indian who was transforming his body something like cat/caguar which was his tribe totem. He had plastic operations to make his face something similar as cat (like that famous ugly woman). He had even cat mustache from guitar strings and even tail moving on bataries.
Also there where naked old man in scotland who has tattooed himself as leopard. And there was lizard -man and catwomen toghether with “no-specy-transspecy-man”…
I believe, that they did not created their bodies and they are not owners of them, just users. So they have no right to do with it what is not allowed by Owner. If they have developed in their head strange ideas, then that is their own fault and they should work to change their mind and not imitate some changes in body.
In latvia I had cat. For first half year it did not see any animal other than humans and sleepy dog. So seems that it thought it is dog. It never said “myau”, only trying to bark. Also it was much walking in house together with humans and “talking” much about its daily activities.
It did not make him dog. Later, cat meet other cats and learned who he is and started to do annoying “myauuuuuuuuuuuuu”…
I had that luck to see “Southpark” series about transspecies. It do not make Kyle father dolphin, just something partly looking like it.
So difference in perception is that, that truly believing people know that they are not owners of their resources, but only trustees.
The problem with religion is that it breeds bigotry as you demonstrate.
Word “bigotry”, “radical” are not much accepted words in social sciences. They depends on values and everybody own standards. What for one would be lewdness, for another would be chaste person.
Beware, you can be called bigot after 20 years. As for me, I already had this “gays are normal” ideas in my head before 10 years. Now I have in my head clear values from my Lord.
James W. Walker VII
In similar fashion, I wonder how you will make ends meet. Of course, if you can do ad ons, like telangiectasia, skin tag and mole removal, then you may have a shot.
Thanks for good advices. As for gays and bikini lines - this here is not accepted and is not part of business. (Somehow here is no these 10% of gays…) BTW - it is obligatory for muslim men and women regularly shave their pubic hair and armpits.
You gave one very possible direction: telangiectasia. Thank you very much.
From me because my culture, my nationality and my personal integrity had been attacked in several ways.
Pointing that religion (I mean my religion) is backward, non-rational, women-etc-oppressive, biased, problem making, bigoted etc - that should not be counted as offense?
Did I said anything about germans (they btw is between my ancestors, too) except that in Germany was case of two men who did (in my values) strange choice about death and cannibalism.
Beate_r, our German transgender person, called them crazy.
As for me, they did something less strange. Murder, suicide, cannibalism/strange thing eating is something quite common in human history and present.
I pointed this (not very precisely remembered) case as ecxample in question “is/should everything being accepted if two adults freely chose it”…
As we see, modern court would be called bigots because they did not accept these men free choice…
Don’t feed the troll people…Don’t feed the troll.
Ok, apparently You are a Latvian person (woman?) converted to Islam. And You want to set up a business in an Islamistic country, where women are not allowed to run businesses. Wow! Have fun.
Ok, apparently You are a Latvian person (woman?) converted to Islam. And You want to set up a business in an Islamistic country, where women are not allowed to run businesses. Wow! Have fun.
What is in your head? Which earth is that? I am not saying that muslim world runs according to Islam, but in which country women is not allowed to run business? (Except Vatican, may be…)
Did you know… No - you did not…
First wife of messanger Muhammed Khadijah was business women who hired Muhammed for her trade caravans to Syria.
Mister Lenon trolled thread to “religion (esp. Islam) is backward and unrational”.
Ah…“Mr Lenon” started it. That sounds like something a very young child might say. A grown up would have not taken it this far. There, I fed you. Happy?
Hi AYJJ,
I agree that disparaging religion should not have been bought into this thread simply because you stated that you do not wish to do some types of treatments that you believe will be misused according to your belief’s.
However, the electrologists in this thread did then make an attempt to end that discussion and provide advice on the initial topic. I encourage you to do the same because if you seriously want to learn about electrolysis, they can provide much valuable information.
You can offer skin treatments with advanced electrolysis - removal of red thread veins, milia, skin tags, warts etc.
Personally, I think you can offer waxing too.
And I think you can offer hand and foot care treatments, so similar to the process of a manicure and pedicure but without the polish.
How about facials or body treatments such as back exfoliating? I would think that women would do these purely for themselves to keep the skin rejuvenated.
What does incest have to do with gay couples or transgendered people in consensual relationships? Absolutely nothing. You’re judging people you don’t know and don’t understand. You get upset here that people judge Muslims, but go ahead and do the exact same thing to people YOU don’t understand. Do you see the hypocrisy here?
And incest doesn’t have to harm anyone. As long as they don’t produce an offspring, it doesn’t harm anyone.
It wasn’t that long ago that it was legal to have slaves and women couldn’t vote in most countries either. The fact that these horrible things have gone away are GOOD, not BAD. So you’re not making sense. In 50 years, you’re going to feel just like people who were pro-slavery feel now - that you were completely wrong and were against basic human rights based on your bigoted beliefs (because you didn’t actually question anything your religion tells you). There are plenty of Christian and Muslim gay people. Those Muslim gay people believe in the same god that you do - if you believe that god makes people what they are, then by your definition, god MADE these people gay.
Your other comments are all based on YOUR beliefs and YOUR religion. You need to understand that YOUR choices have nothing to do with other people. You have no right to judge how people who don’t follow your god live. There is no proof that your god exists. Faith is not proof. But no one is taking away your right to believe whatever you want and live YOUR life however you want, including a life based on those beliefs. BUT you have NO right to expect OTHER people to live according to YOUR beliefs. That’s like Christians judging YOU based on their beliefs. You don’t seem to like that very much, but also don’t seem to be able to understand that that’s exactly what you’re doing to others.
Hopefully, you’re not too close-minded and are actually willing to learn. Do you know that gay and transgendered people know they’re gay and transgendered when they’re 4-5 years old before they even go through puberty or understand anything about sex? It sounds like you don’t know much about the issue. In due time, there will be enough scientific research to prove it, but there are already studies that relate these things to genes and chemical reaction in the brain in the womb.
Lisa Ling did a good special on the transgendered issue a few weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5P9kUz0yO0
Barbara Walters did an even better one a few years ago that would bring any rational person to tears. These are CHILDREN who are stuck in a society which doesn’t understand this brain abnormality.
The gay issue is not even an issue for most educated people considering the fact that it’s “natural” in many animals. Humans are mammals. What makes you think that it’s natural in other animals, but needs to be supressed in humans?
Somewhat off subject (what is the subject at the moment?). Oh yeah, feeding the troll? However, somewhere I always wanted to post my “findings,” so this may be as good a place as any. I believe that self-evaluation is more profitable than accusation.
My two years living in Holland and traveling a lot in Germany and Scandinavia was, in so many way, eye-opening. What I discovered, in my circle of friends and business associates, was remarkable. You would imagine that in “open-minded Holland” there would be very little prejudice, and perhaps in Germany (with lingering fears of Fascism) that they would be ultra-conservative. Just the opposite was true!
Germans, and Americans, are continually re-evaluating themselves — we are often very hard on ourselves! The Dutch, by contrast, assume they are perfect humanitarians and assume they are just fine. However, just a little scratch of the surface and I found anti-Semitism in many Dutch and Norwegians. Not the Germans. Germans, and all the Americans I know, constantly challenge themselves and try to do better. Being a kind and loving person is a PROCESS, not a destination.
Even in the people that are themselves in a “minority group,” I find they have prejudice against their own group! Accepting and loving yourself is also a process. You cannot truly love and accept others until you love and accept yourself. I have a transgendered family member (that I adore). Until she could love herself, and accept herself, she could have no peace — the process continues. Anger toward others indicates self-loathing.
Because of who we are, (Germans and Americans) we publicize our own culture’s outrageous behavior. Indeed, we have a lot to be ashamed about. Publicizing those who do bizarre behavior gives the world a slanted view of who we are. (Seriously AYJJ, very few Germans are cannibals.)
My friend who was raised in Syria said they would watch the “Jerry Springer Show” in school and the teacher would say: “You see what happens with democracy? The men become homosexuals and the women become whores!” (Sort of a funny outcome, if you think about it.) This same Syrian was so brainwashed against Jews, that he didn’t know they were actually humans until he moved to the US and met a Jew!
I have learned a lot from this thread. And my self-evaluation continues. Being challenged is good! Still, the poster called “impossable” is correct: a dialogue with our African adversary is pointless. AYJJ is a mind that is frozen and “has the truth.” I have learned, in my 65 years on this tiny planet, that there ARE impossible minds, and there are frightening minds — and these minds always know the TRUTH!
Remain open, my beautiful colleagues! Oh yeah — and DO stop feeding the Troll! THIS WHOLE THING WAS A SET-UP!
I have to disagree. I feel this poster was/is genuine in wanting to understand electrolysis in the hope of offering this service.
She merely mentioned that there are some services she would not be comfortable offering for religious reasons. And even if religion does not directly have any rulings on these matters, I know in some countries women who offer beauty services are seen as partaking in the moral corruption of the population. So AYJJ does not want to go there - fair enough. There is no point going into the discussion of whether this is right or wrong by different standards.
As for everything else - no comment. But I hope we can get back on track.
So I request that this part of the discussion ends and we can get back to electrolysis.
I am with you.
The point of my story was NOT to tell you that you have to give up your standards. I never told that woman she had to do what she did not want to do. I simply told her that in my opinion, I could not give her any secret to increasing her business, since she was purposefully turning away business that would otherwise be hers. If her question was how do I get those people who wanted to pay her to do things she refused to do, to instead pay her for things she was willing to do, I had no more magic for her, than I do for the countless people who have begged me to do something about, or help them change the mind of, some practitioner unwilling to do the work they are desperately seeking some one to do, but find no one willing to do it.
Her question was how could she make more money doing electrolysis, and what was she doing wrong that she was stagnant at the level of billable hours and net take home. My answer was that what ever business she could have had she was turning away, and since that was not going to change, I had no miracle solutions, as I had to assume that anyone who is advertising in the phone book, in the local papers, on the radio, and on the sides of buses, has penetrated the consciousness of the community. Anyone looking for hair removal knows you exist.
In this example, someone who is already her client and wants a service she does not offer, will have to start looking for some one else to do it, and maybe doesn’t come back, because they can get all their work done at one stop, instead of doing their lip with her, and some other prohibited area with some one else.
I was making no value judgements about her, nor you. Just a business observation.
You are correct to look for ancillary and allied services and products to offer as your business model has a stress point where it may be lean on keeping work in the pipeline at the rate you may need it to flow.
Michael, as a person who has also traveled extensively, I found your observations of the different countries/cultures to be spot on.
Your post makes me make me glad I was born hairy because it gave me a chance to “meet” some very lovely, wise and compassionate people.
stoppit&tidyup - I understand how you mean this, but imho I didn’t see it as an attack. More like “isn’t it a shame how (any) religion can prevent people from receiving services they need.”
And yes, I equate electrolysis with the rest of the medical profession. The Christian apothecary who refuses abortion pills to a patient is to me no different than an Muslim electrologist who refuses to help a trans person.
They may have kept the letter of their moral law but failed the primary purpose of their profession and broken the laws of heaven.
Ok, will stop now.
I also feel the OP was genuine in asking for electrolysis advice. They just turned the discussion into something else by offending other posters here.
LAgirl
You get upset here that people judge Muslims
I myself do not like mayority of muslims, because they do not represent Islam but just ignorant people. It angers only me is somebody attributes their faults to Islam or attributes to their societies something which is not true.
BTW - did you hear that in Texas group of 16-26 afroamericans raped 11 years old girl? Media do not show reality, only some part of it (in cases when they do not lie). Here is no politics, but if you want, you can build through media image about anybody. But what in cases of big politics?
What does incest have to do with gay couples or transgendered people in consensual relationships? _
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And incest doesn’t have to harm anyone. As long as they don’t produce an offspring, it doesn’t harm anyone.
So You have an ideology in which everyone has right to do everything which is their choice unless it harms (according to you) somebody directly.
In your ideology adult incest is legal. I thought that you would not see it as permissible, but you are progressive.
It wasn’t that long ago that it was legal to have slaves and women couldn’t vote in most countries either. The fact that these horrible things have gone away are GOOD, not BAD. So you’re not making sense.
But are all changes good? What about out of marriage sex, divorce, swingers and such progress?
_There are plenty of Christian and Muslim gay people. Those Muslim gay people believe in the same god that you do - if you believe that god makes people what they are, then by your definition, god MADE these people gay. _
99% of people believe in God. (Despite even if 10-90% saying that they believe not.) Most of them just are lost in everyday life and delusions and are not serious in their relationship with God.
And God did not make them gay. It is themselves who crippled their mind and developed in their mind strange thoughts. But if anybody wants misguidance and struggles for it, then God can help them in their struggling and add more misguidance as punishment.
Gayism is sin and choice, because only choice can be sin.
There is no proof that your god exists.
As said one poet: ~~
I was asked by ateist:
“Show me proof that God exist!”
I looked on this mad man
Wondering that I can not show something which is not proof.
All creation is proof of Creator.
Quraan as living miracle of last prophet is proof. It is wrong way to start to speak about proofs that God exist. It is accepting this pretending, that people do not believe that God exist. Because they do not care much about their relations with God and are ashamed of their (weak) belief, that does not mean that they do not believe as officially they claim.
_Hopefully, you’re not too close-minded and are actually willing to learn. Do you know that gay and transgendered people know they’re gay and transgendered when they’re 4-5 years old before they even go through puberty or understand anything about sex? _
Because you said, it does not make it true.
_In due time, there will be enough scientific research to prove it, but there are already studies that relate these things to genes and chemical reaction in the brain in the womb. _
This reminds me as one Islamic preacher Yusuf Estes told one story. He was giving lecture to auditory and see that one man before and in lecture looks like one who feels that he have a question which will crush a preacher. So preacher gave lecture but all the time he thinks what this man want to say to him.
So after lecture this man have his chance and shoot out (to much of disappointment of preacher):
“What and where will be Your religion, when science will develop such, that people will not die!”
Well, but that is that man (religious) belief that such situation will come.
You see… You say that “there will be…”… Well, that is your faith in your ideology.