There are great electrologists in Ireland. Start at www.dectro.com and check out ‘Locate a Salon’.
Oh here, I’ll do it:
http://www.dectro.com/en/locate-a-salon/apilus-centers/international
If these salons are too far from where you live, I’m sure there are other listings you can peruse, as well. Mhawkes, where are you located?
Thanks Dfahey
I had a look on the dectro.com site but unfortunately no salons near Belfast. Below is my flickr photos
That’s what we would all like to know. I wish more users of this product would come forward. We are waiting to hear from people that did the every six weeks deal for 8 times and then waited one year without doing ANYTHING AT ALL. If it works, they should be free of all the bothersome hair that thye originally wanted off.
Personally, I would find a skilled electrologist and be done with this once and for all. [/quote]
Would 8 treatments 6 weeks apart be the standard regimen to treat an area (like an upper lip) with electrolysis?
Any chance you can answer my questions about a hypothetical study?
For the upper lip - u need 8-12 sessions at approximately 4 weeks apart… wannabehairfree, i have had reduction on my upper lip… In my opinion the selectif works better on coarser hairs, so the thicker they are the better (in my opinion)… all my coarse ones are gone now and have been for ages. I still have a lot on my face though of long thin blonde long hairs… Did you go the applisonix website and check the locations of salons on that? I have a presentation and some other information i received from applisonx company there lately if you want me to forward it on to you. One thing to note is that they say on their website 39% reduction in initial treatment. I definitely did not find this to be the case so I contacted Applisonix - their 39% reduction is based on treatments on legs (which from my understanding is the easiest and fastest place int he body to treat generally)… Someone correct me if I’m wrong about that… Anyway if you want any info, drop me a line and ill forward it on… Good luck in whatever you decide…
Hello dee.oz,
Good to hear from you. I have read all your past posts on this thread and my heart goes out to you. 8 long years of electrolysis not to mention the expense. I’m so tempted to try the applisonix despite the cost but the only thing that is stopping me is the fear that it will make the hair worse. I could live with it if it didn’t work but definately not if it made it worse. I worry because the therapist said she would pluck the hairs out after treating them and in my past experience plucking facial hairs makes them come back stronger and more plentiful. I would be really grateful if you could forward the info you received from applisonix 
Thanks!
wanabe, you are saying that you have been doing electrolysis for eight 8 years and had no improvement. have you been going to the same electrologist? I am wondering if electrolysis has been done correctly.
Have you been tested for your hormones e.t.c?
Sorry S.Tehfe,
I worded my last post badly. I was referring to dee.oz who had said in previous posts that she had 8 years of electrolysis and no improvement. I personally have never had electrolysis.
Something was definitely not being done correctly. It is better to analyze the facts of “eight years of electrolysis comments” than to go off in other directions that are dubious at best. Electrolysis works when performed properly with a compliant client.
CAme across this article online-
Is this the machine they used on you dee.oz? It looks like a machine that can treat more then one hair at a time.
Here is the article:
[b]Treatment of the week: Hair removal that’s fast and painless
By Nicole Mowbray
Last updated at 12:20 AM on 11th April 2011
Get ready for summer: The Applisonix can remove hair using ultrasound
Inside facialist Katherine Jackson’s unassuming West London therapy room, something miraculous is occurring.
Miraculous, that is, for anyone plagued by unwanted light-coloured hair. Fair hair is traditionally hard to erase — laser hair removal works best on light skin tones with dark hair.
But Katherine is one of the few therapists in Britain to specialise in a new machine, the Applisonix, which can remove blonde, grey or white hair using ultrasound energy.
Katherine is a holistic practictioner and put a lot of effort into researching this device.
She’s done a good job — the Applisonix is painless, there are no side effects and it’s fast. There are also no restrictions on sun exposure following the treatment (with laser, you have to stay out of the sun or use sunblock), meaning it’s possible to embark upon hair removal in the run-up to summer.
It feels as if Katherine is plucking out the hairs but, using a special tweezer-like contraption, she’s actually sending ultrasound waves into each hair shaft.
These are transformed into thermal energy, heating the root, removing hair and permanently damaging the hair follicle.
You’ll need between six and eight sessions, but after just two an improvement is noticeable, with up to 38 per cent of hair gone.
If your hair is made up of more than one colour, that’s no problem. Katherine also has an Intensed Pulse Light machine (IPL), which can target any dark hairs.
From £40. www.katherine jackson.co.uk or tel: 07515 929780.
People:
Katherine Jackson
Places:
London
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Not buying it.
http://www.magicmum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=268986&p=3541452&hilit=applisonix#p3541452
Just found this forum. A lady tried the applisonix and described it as “professional plucking” because it didn’t work. That’s made my mind up for me. I think this is what my head was telling me all along but when you’re desperate for hair removal you would pretty much try anything.
wanabehairfree, i don’t have my mind about that technology yet, but i would want it to work like many others here.
One thing that popped out in your first post was that the Applisonix cost way more than laser hair removal.
That doesn’t make sense and tells me a great deal about who you went to.
Applisonix costs about 1/5th of the cost that a real laser costs. For them to charge way more for something that costs way less is beyond me.
Hi All, sorry I have been on holidays for last few weeks and have not checked this. According to the research sent by applisonix, treatment should be every 4 weeks. My experiences are it definetly gets rid of the darker coarser hair, however i still have a lot of the thinner long blonde hairs, but the bristly coarser ones are gone. With regard to the electrolysis for 8 years, this was done by a few different electrolygists and there was no improvement with any of them, so electrolysis did not work for me (even using a number of different electrolygists).
wannabehairfree: with regard to your message, the info i received is on a different computer, so i can send on to you in a few days if you still would like the info, just let me know and i can forward on if requried. Either way i wish you success for the future. p.s. the staff who are doing my seelctif treatments have said to me that they find the selectif is working best on clients with coarser bristlier type hair (colour irrelevant), personally im finding it has worked on all my dark hairs but maybe thats cos they were coarser than the rest (anyway hope that info helps)…Good luck with whatever you do and please keep us up to date with whatever you decide - thanks…
Unfortunately, ultrasound hair removal technology is relatively infantile. At this point, it is inferior to electrolysis and laser and no clinical studies have determined its efficacy.
Electrolysis is clinically proven to provide permanent hair removal. Those who do not achieve this either
a) were treated by an incompetent electrologist;
b) did not put in the time for full clearances every 4-6 weeks for 9-18 months;
or c) suffer from some hormonal disorder that continually stimulates new terminal hair growth.
Hi JMISR, with regard to my electrolysis, i did go every few weeks for 8 years (so on regular sessions), and a few different electrolygists, so Im guessing I would fall into the C category. However what Ive found is that the darker coarser hairs have been eliminated by the ultrasound but were’nt by electrolysis, any ideas why that would have been?
I still have loads and loads of blonde fine long hairs though unfortunately, the applisonix selectif pro does not seem to be working on them aswell.
Is there any possible explanations for this? Thanks
When is the last time you waxed or tweezed? Electrolysis is not the problem. The persons that were doing the electrolysis are the problem. I’m positive that any of the professional electrologists that post here regularly on hairtell could have eliminated those darker hairs and and thinned those numerous finer hairs in 24 months, with regular sessions.
The only thing on earth that permanently treats blonde, fine hairs is electrolysis. The problem is, you never met up with a professional electrologist that can explain to you the strategy needed and I doubt that they had a more modern set up. This is a job that requires microflash or picoflash thermolysis, superior vision aid and superior lighting. One has to really focus and M-O-V-E to tackle this kind of hair.
As you know, I am not a believer in ultrasound technology. It still cannot beat what a professional electrologist can do with the better technology available today. Even with the the best, blond, fine hair requires time and patience because there are so many hairs per square inch/centimeter. It works well. I have done many cases. I want to stress that blond, fine hair is a thinning process. One will NEVER eliminate all the hair, nor should that be the goal.
Hi dfahey, i wax once every month now after my ultrasound treatment… as said previously the dark coarse hairs are now all gone, but still have millions of the blonde ones… even some of the coarser blonde ones are gone also, for some reason the ultrasound seems to work on the thicker hairs but not on the thinner hairs…
I have decided to come of my spironolactone also as i am on it a long time now, so came off that about 2 weeks ago - not sure how this will affect hair growth, guess ill have to wait and see!!!..
i know this is kind of mixing things up, but i just feel i shouldn’t be on this for years and years…
ill keep doing the selectif for another few months (even though i hate getting my face waxed) but i might as well give it my best shot…
with regard to having good electrolygists in the past, the lady in brunswick i do believe is actually very good, when i went to her first for electrolysis, she was confident she would be able to help me within the 18month period, but after a while in to it, she saw there was no improvement whatsoever and gave up… she does get improvements with her other clients, so i think its me not her…
she now does the ultrasound on me instead… she is actually working on a male client now and he is getting progress, she was telling me the last day she is actually taking photos etc… i really admire this lady and believe she is very reputable… she has not even advertised having the selectif pro and is not going to until she is convinced it works and has had enough clients that have positive results with it first… The lady is in her 50s and really knows her stuff about hair cycles and is a strong beleiver in electrolysis and completely believed when i went to her first that she could help me, but then saw it wasn’t making any difference at all…
the ultrasound has worked on my coarse hairs and for this i am thankful but i don’t think it working on the finer blonde hairs (although my upper lip has reduced)… but as you said before it would be interesting to see what the upper lip looks like after 6months of doing nothing… but being realistic that will probably never happen, as at the moment i wouldn’t be able to go outside the door if i had no treatments for 6months…
i wish someone would invent something that could get rid of blonde hair instantly, ive been researching the lasers recently and one that comes up for being able to get rid of blonde hair is the epi laser, however i havent read any positive reviews on it so wont be trying that… from everything that i have read it appears that there currently is no laser that would work on blonde hairs so my battle continues…
as i said above, i will keep on with the ultrasound for the next few months as it is the only thing that has showed any improvement for me so far… if that doesn’t work, i guess im defeated and then have to decide between threading or waxing for the next couple of decades until someone invents some kind of laser etc that works effectively on blond hairs… i hate waxing so don’t know if threading would be any better… maybe it wouldn’t be so harsh to my skin…
I still get treatments in the other centre in mulgrave also (as they are much cheaper and i am their first guinea pig), however half the time my appointments are cancelled or rescheduled and it is never the same consultant doing the same treatments, the only reason i keep going there is because they are halve the price of brunswick…
The mulgrave clinic reckon they are having great results with the ultrasound, but best results on menopausal women who have the odd few thick coarse hairs on their chin etc… I think i am their only client with millions of blonde thin long hairs etc… i think i am a difficult case because there are so many hairs… i know you dont agree with me but i honestly put my hand on my heart and believe electrolysis would not work for me… maybe 8 years of doing it with different electrolygists and absolutely not one tiny bit of improvement has made me pessimistic about it. i understand it works for other people but i reckon if the lady in brunswick couldnt work it for me, then there not much chance anyone could… she has a book in her office where people have wrote in letters and some photos etc showing results etc and she worked in france and still has letters from there - people thanking her so much… it is very hard to get appointment with her… she is a very quiet lady and doesnt crap on and very black and white… i believe she is a great electrolygist…
anyway all i can do is continue on and at least keep trying to beat this… i thank you for your replies and giving information where you could… this is a good site and is very informative… it has been a great source to me since i found it… thanks…
If you stop waxing altogether, that would be a true testament to all those dark ,coarse hairs being gone for good.
That must have been an awkward moment when your practitioner had to admit that the select pro was not working for ALL your hair structures. Being an experienced electrologist, I am surprised that she wouldn’t suspect that in the beginning. At least she is cautious not to advertise the product until she is sure it works. That is ethical enough. How much have you spent so far?
I really think it is the waxing that gives people the false illusion that the select pro works on thick dark or non-pigmented hairs.
There is nothing on earth that can permanently treat fine blond hair permanently. I wish there was because removing these types of hairs, which are present in COPIUS amounts can take up to three years in cases where the client insists that basically ALL the hair on their face and neck, be removed. In total honesty, it is impossible to remove all the hair. Many of my clients are finished in about two years time. Clients that keep going forward after that truly look great, but in they want what they want and I will give them what they want as long as I can see the hair.
Sorry dfahey, i should have been clearer, the electrolygist said electrolysis was not working for me (not the ultrasound)…she stopped the electrolysis and started with the ultrasound. now i think the ultrasound has worked on the dark coarse hairs but i dont really think it working well on the blonde hairs, so now i dont know where to go from here…
each month all the blonde hairs grow back, there has been no sign of dark/coarse hairs now for months…i will keep trying the ultrasound for a while longer, so i can say i gave it my best shot… after that i really dont know… it so annoying to see all the blonde hairs coming back each month though… if they were normal length it would be okay, it just they grow to such long lengths…
i think also being on the spironolactone for years has thinned out my skin, hence why electrolysis may have left marks on my skin in the past. although it was probably the electrolygist at that time, even waxing though seems to be tough on my skin, it takes a week for my skin to look normal again and then the next week the hairs are back… i hate waxing…
what do you do when you give up electrolysis, ultrasound etc (no point trying laser)… i have been spending between 150-300/month since i started this ( i could have a mortgage on a unit for the same price over the last year) and i have done about 8 years of electrolysis in melbourne and about 3/4years of electrolysis in ireland (before moving out here)… nothing seems to work properly for me, honestly electrolysis did nothing for me, ultrasound seems to have only worked on dark/coarse hairs… but the waxing is driving me crazy…
i have went to doctors, endocrinologists, done blood tests and nothing found… i dont know what else to do… im kinda thinking of giving up soon and just doing threading etc
usually im the type of person who keeps at something until it works… when i had the cystic acne, i tried everything and anything, did so much research and then eventually found info on spironolactone… it worked wonders… it was such a relief… and it gave my skin a chance to heal… there are still signs of pitting etc but it looks a million times better… im off it now about 2 weeks and have approx 12 spots at moment but none which are the old cystic acne type… maybe it’l come soon though… im 35 next month so im hoping the acne will go away soon or not be as severe… in a way im also interested to see if not being on the spiro - what difference that makes to the hairs…
anyway im trying to not let this overrule my life but unfortunately it does in ways, i hate meeting people outside and having conversation with them in direct sunlight, i always book tables for lunch away from restaurant windows etc… i so wish i didnt have this problem or even that i could find a cure… i have spent so many hours on this getting treatments and researching it… anyway enough of my complaining about hair problems, the rest of my life is great…
ill keep checking in here to see if any new invention comes up and update u with the selectif but at this stage im doubting im going to have any major reduction with the blonde hairs… i hope to god im wrong though… anyway thank you all for listening and good luck in your journeys also…
@dee.oz: The documents from Applisonix that you sent to me actually address the difficulty of treating very fine hairs. It’s a known issue for them.
I think that the problem with the fine hairs is that the ratio of the surface area to the volume of the follicle is much higher for fine hairs. As soon as the hair enters the follicle, it starts to transfer the vibration energy from the hair strand into the tissue around the hair. When the hair is thicker, the center of the hair can keep carrying this energy down to the root to heat it up. With finer hairs there’s not as much middle in the hair to keep carrying the energy down, plus a thin hair just can’t carry as much energy to begin with.
The result logically would be less heating at the root which would make it less effective on the very fine hairs.
The Applisonix patent talks about some adaptive circuits that they use to get the most energy down to the root. So far (and I’m still very early in the analysis process) I haven’t seen a real need to do that. Maybe the fine hair problem is the reason - and maybe it didn’t help that much.