@dfahey: Can you reconcile these two statements? I’m confused.
The emphasis is mine to make it clear what’s confusing me. In the first quote you say thermolysis can do it, and in the second you say nothing can.
Also, are you talking about vellus hairs in both cases?
@dee.oz: Are you talking about vellus hairs, when you describe the “blonde fine long hairs”?
Oh this is an easy answer - it is a typo. Should say: There is nothing on earth, besides electrolysis, that can permanently remove fine, pigmented and non-pigmented hair. Yes, we are talking about vellus hair.
Thanks korky for pointing that out.
Dee
Hi all, I have been receiving applisonix for a few months now and have been leaving gaps of 6 to 7 weeks between treatments. I had been to see a number of electrologists who said that they couldn’t see the hairs I wanted treated. They are very obvious in certain light and have been the cause of so much stress to me. I was willing to go through long, painful electrolysis sessions to get rid of my problematic hair but just couldn’t get the help I required. I have had some good results with Applisonix but the same hairs seem to be coming back recently. I have some faith in the product as it has definitely removed some hairs. The first two sessions I had last Sept were very successful and I haven’t seen most of those hairs return since then. It’s difficult to assess the exact % reduction. I have been consiously keeping away from the mirror as the depression gets worse the more I examine. I usually monitor re-growth by the look of shock, disgust and horror on peoples faces at work. If I get lots of looks I know it’s time for another session. I really want the hairs gone. It’s consuming my every thought. So unhealthy. The hairs I have a very fine dark hairs. There are so many of them in a cluster around the sideburn areas. Any advice as to the type of electrolysis system I should be looking for if I decide to go back to electrolysis would be welcomed, as I believe like D.Fahey that it is the most effective and I have done my research. At times I am reluctant to update this site as I do not want to give anyone false hope. I have had some success with Applisonix but definitely not to the extent that I am overly happy or in a position to promote the product. It’s such a shame that all electrologists aren’t as familiar with the treatment of the finer hair structures. The ones that are in the town I’m from seem to only be confident in treating the big black coarse hairs that don’t even require magnification.
Dee.oz, how is your progress with applisonix. I am going to start but still doubt. Please answer!!!
Hi olechka37, im still doing sessions but am only going once a month and getting waxed after… in the past i had to get electrolysis done every 2 weeks or so… the hair seems to be growing back slower but maybe cos im getting waxed - dont know… my dark hairs are gone but overall i would say i am dissappointed with my results but havent given up hope (still going)… it certainly doesnt have the 39% reduction they say in the 1st treatment or two… i still have millions of blonde hairs… it seems to work best on coarse dark hairs, dont know why but that seems to be the way from what the beauticians who doing it in mulgrave tell me… what type of hairs have u, have u many? have u tried electrolysis? It didnt seem to work much for me but seems to for a lot of people… anyway hope this helps…
The procedure called electrolysis, where a well-trained practitioner of electrolysis inserts a tiny, metal, sterile wire into individual follicles, releasing a selected amount of energy for a selected amount of time, will disable the working follicle so hair can not be nurtured. If electrolysis did not work for you, it is not the procedure, but rather any one of several factors that contributed to your negativity about electrolysis not working for you. Was the practitioner performing well? Were you following a good schedule and laying on the table for the amount of time necessary to push you forward? Are you a hormonally vulnerable woman that grows hair like mad? Were you doing anything that pulled the hair out while doing electrolysis? Were you on any medications that promote continual hair growth? No answers are required. These questions are just food for thought.
I am personally saddened by your lack of success. I would be curious to know what your long term opinion would be about those dark hairs if you did absolutely nothing for one year. Waxing is bad news and I am left shaking my head on that one.
Hi Dee! I have great problem - hairs on lip, chin and cheecks. When I take hormones, they become invisible, white, but when I try to leave hormones they become very((( visible, dark but with white roots, that’s why laser is not effective on them. I don’t want to take hormones any more, they damage my health, so want to try applisonix. To tell the truth I don’t believe in it very much, but am so much depressed that still will try it. I don’t have it in my sity, so today am going to the capital of my country, tomorrow I will be there and try on my upper lip. I am from Ukraine (near Russia). I tried electrosis on some (maybe 7) hairs and it was really effective, those hairs haven’t appeared again. I made electrosis only once. But I have very white skin and electrosis leaves spots on it((( I think you are very lucky that you have blonde hairs, if I had just blond hairs I would be happy. On the site of the saloon I am going to they say that hairs should be cut to 1-3 mm and then treated and each hair should be plucked, no waxing at all. I think when your hair is long energy doesn’t reach the root, try to cut hairs first. How about your lip??? Have hairs appeared or are they still gone???
Dee, one more question, how much spironolactone and how many days per month did you take it? I also just started to take it 100mg 10 days per month.
You are talking to Dee.oz, right?
I am talking to Dee.oz, because she is the only person who is still trying Applisonix. If you have some information will be glad to hear. I agree with you that electrosis is most effective of all methods, but I cannot find a good professional in my city, the one who made me electrosis left spots on my face, besides she usus one needle for all the clients, you can imagine what diseases I can have((( If i found the one who is real professional, I would do electrosis.
Check! I understand where you are coming from. Totally unprofessional and dangerous to use the same probe for everyone.
Hi olechka37, i take 50mg every day… i also tried to go off it there about 4/5 weeks ago but my cystic acne came back so I went back on it… i have a lot of marks on my chin also from electrolysis and some bad pitting around chin area (one of the reasons im anti-electrolysis for me)… olechka37 - just out of interest, do you think the spiro has thinned out your skin since you went on it or changed the texture of your skin… i think my skin is much thinner than it used be (but not sure if that just age catching up on me!!!) etc…waxing now actually makes the pitting/holes on chin area from electrolysis very obvious… i believe the spironolactone has turned a lot of my hairs from dark to blonde (especially on my legs)… also what you said about plucking can also be done too (instead of waxing after the applisonix)… Are your hairs coarse? it does seem to have worked on the coarser hairs… they havent been back in months but im afraid all the fine hairs are still there… it seems a lot of effort you travelling that far for the selectif… have you got many hairs, are they all coarse? if they are not, i dont know if i would recommend it… you may ask why am i still going then - just out of hope and giving it a full go!!!
re:dfaheys questions… i had a good few different electrolygists over the years and yes i was regular in to them… i did everything correct… the 2nd last electrolygist i went to left marks on my chin (i had some before that as my skin seems to be very sensitive) but lots more now… it unfortunate u try and fix one thing only to mess up something else…
anyway hope this info helps… thanks
Hi again! I have just come back. I am a bit disappointed because I thought that hairs should come out easily after treating but I felt when the lady plucked them out. She treated hairs on my lip. But the feeling was like burning, though not very painful. I have not coarse hairs now (only one on my cheeck), I had some coarse hairs when I tried to leave hormones previous time, but they were ruined by electrosis then. It is only month now that i left my pills(which prevented hair growth), so for now I have fine hairs which become darker and darker without pills. The lady told that she cannot take very very fine hairs with the probe, maybe that’s why your hairs aren’t still gone. Or maybe there are much of them and you cannot notice progress? I have just started spiro, but the hormones I have been on almost three years (with one brake) are made on the bases of spironolactone. You know, I also noticed my skin became thinner but I din’t guess it might be that. Maybe because spironolactone is diuretic and it takes away water and useful things from our skin. My doctor prescribed me spiro in the second phase of the cicle because it may cause problems if to take it every day. Spiro is also very effective on hairs, the same as with acne, it blocks sensitivity of the skin to testosterone. How many years have you been on spiro?
You should be drinking a lot of water and eating healthy while taking spiro.
You shouldn’t feel plucking. This electrologist may not have the right size probes, or magnification, or skill. You should check out several electrologists to find the best one.
Hi olechka37, the selectif should definetly not burn, she should nto be touching the skin at all… be very careful with this as she could burn you if touches your skin… you should feel heat from the probe but not touching your skin… i am confused about your comment where she says that she can not treat the fine hairs… the probe is like a large tweezers (only thicker), why can she not pick up the finer hair with that? yes i have loads of hair so maybe it just taking a long time but i have done lots of sessions also and expected more results than what i have achieved, however am very thankful that the coarser ones are gone… just wish it would work better on the thinner ones and wish i didnt have to wax but i am following the distributors instructions exactly to get optimum performance… i ave been on spiro for about 5 years but came off it during before and during my 2nd pregnancy for about 1.5years… with regard to plucking, ask her to zap the hairs 5/6 times before removing then shouldnt feel the plucking sensation as much, should come out easier… for my more problematic hairs, i do this (maybe thats why the coarser ones are gone - never thought of that until now!!) anyway i wish you luck and please keep us all up to date with your treatments, when u getting your next one done? have you googled and found the manual etc… it on internet but they have updated it since… can send to you if you like, it quite large so cant fit all here… anyway take care, hope all works better for you than is for me…
Hello Dee! I have just found another saloon which has Applisonix. I Talked with the lady on the phone and she told me honestly that Selectif doesn’t kills follicle completely, it only heats it takes more time to recover again(than in case of just plucking)That’s why hairs grow slower than when plucking them. That’s why you feel that your hairs grow slower. If you don’t have to go to the saloon too far you can use it constantly and wax and have smoth face, why not? I don’t know whether I will go in a month for Applisonix, I will see the result (how slowly hairs will grow. I want to ask you personal question… does spiro cause any problems with menstrual cicle if to take it every day? I want to take it every day as well, but girls on Ukrainian forums write that spiro provokes bleedings in the middle of the menstrual cicle (I hope I translated it correctly) if to take it every day. That’s why my doctor prescribed it in the second half of the cicle. But I think those ten days of spiro won’t keep me from hair growth as hormones did(
Hi Olechka37, that interesting that she said that… i hope that not the case… i hope there more too it than that… doesnt really explain why all the coarser hairs have gone… wish there was some proper research on it… with regard to your questions, my menstural cycle always pretty regular (few days either side potentially but relatively regular)… when i started taking the spiro first - yes it messed up menstrual cycle but that sorts itself out and then it fine… it only if u miss a day or two then menstrual cycle may come… but maybe my body used of it now… i have no problems… the only things i have noticed when taking it first sometimes felt slightly dizzy but once the body adjusts (approx 3 weeks in) all was fine… As LAirl said earlier it is important to up your water intake… the other important thing to consider is "do not take if you plan on getting pregnancy’, also you need to get test done regular to ensure liver/kidneys (cant remember which) is fine…
honestly i think it a wonder drug but am suspicious about my skin thinning… but i have googled it loads and found very little on this… as a matter of interest, what hormones were u on and what did they do? oh by the way in my opinion i dont know if it reduces hair much on face but on legs etc yes a bit… hope this helps… u going to continue with applisonix or leave it?
I don’t know whether I will continue Applisonix or not, I will see what will be with hairs. I was on oral contraseptive pills called “Jess” (or Yasminelle), it contains estrogen and drospirenone (similar to spironolactone). In two or three months it makes hairs from dark to blonde and very fine, they like disappear or are invisible. But estrogen has side effects, it causes problems with veins and may cause varices. So I want to try spironolactone. If I could take some pills which could make my hairs blonde, I wouldn’t need epilation.
Question: If you used something on your face i.e. hair removal cream and this was the first time you had used anything on that part of the face and this resulted in your body having a reaction to that cream leading to the growth of very fine dark hairs, would the roots of these new hairs be very shallow, as in shallow enough for a hair removal method such as Applisonix (which may/may not heat the follicle as much as electrolysis) be sufficient enough to permanently kill the shallow follicle?
Just wondering as I’ve seen successful removal with such hairs but recently haven’t been seeing much additional reduction. Do the follicles of hairs become deeper after a number of growth and/or removal cycles? Also I was looking for some advice and recommendations on how to start my search for good electrologists that would be able to treat very fine dark hairs. I live in a small town in Ireland and have had numerous beauticians tell me that they can’t help me. It’s very disheartening but I persevere. There should be specialists available in the bigger cities to help. I’d even go under local anaesthetic just to hurry up the process and get rid of the hairs. I’ve given Applisonix enough of a chance and admittedly had seen good results initially as stated earlier. I’ve had one very dark coarse hair for years that I plucked for years. It had several blasts with electrolysis and has had so many blasts with Applisonix but the little bugger keeps coming back. I was using this hair as my ultimate test for Applisonix but it failed the test miserably. Others have said they found good results with the more coarse structured hairs. The operator has told me that that particular hair is almost like a bristle when it grows back. She can believe it’s resilience.
Hi all, Just wanted to update you all. I am going to stop the applisonix selectif pro treatments. I don’t believe there has been any progress in a while. It got rid of the darker coarser hairs but nothing else so going to stop now.
I got some advice on this forum from one of the main contributors about a good electrolygist in Melbourne and am going to try and concentrate on electrolysis for the next 6 months and see how that works out. I am thinking at 6months i should see some improvement (hopefully) and then i will continue on after that with electrolysis as long as is required.
In the past i did electrolysis for about 9/10 years overall and didn’t see any improvement (only a few scars and pitting).
Because this new electrolygist has come highly recommended, i hope this will not happen. Unfortunately she does not use apilus, but she is thinking of getting one… In the past i used a few different electrolygist but never saw any improvement with them… i hope i will this time… maybe my true electrolysis journey begins here!!! (I really hope so anyway)…
I am going to have weekly appointments to begin with and see how that goes. I met with the electrolygist today and she did 45 minutes (30 minutes chin and 15mins upper lip). I have an appointment in another 9 days for sides of face.
My hair is very fine and she said that some of the hairs are curled and twisted in the follicles… She seemed to have a very good magnification system (better than ive previously seen)… I really hope it works this time.
I also got some tinted antiseptic cream from her and advice not to wear make up for 24hrs etc…
She also preferred if i was not on any medication but i have to keep on my spironolactone or else all my acne comes back plus worse hair growth… About 2 months ago, i came off the spiro (because i did not like the idea of being on spiro for the last few years/potentially the rest of my life!!). Anyway the acne came back with a bang and some extra coarse hair this month (which i didn’t have previoulsy for months and months)…If im not on spiro my face gets oily, even my scalp… during the time i was off it, i even had some spots on my scalp (ugh!)… The day i decided to go back on it, i had 28 big horrible cystic acne spots under my skin (like red lumps under the skin)…
Im also thinking about seeing a naturopath to see if there any natural things i can take to regulate my hormones… I cant go on the pill as it makes me feel really ill (i have tried loads of different brands over the years)… I had my hormone levels checked before all normal and thyroid, as both thyroid and diabetes problems are in my family… but all came back fine…
anyway my new journey begins… wish me luck as im getting really fed up with this whole scenario…