Seeing the forest for the trees ( journal of sorts

Hair Removal Methods Do-It-Yourself Electrolysis
#41

I only read the first 2 paragraphs and gave up. It again making out without knowing at all any true facts that the previous post which admin specifically asked that we do NOT comment about was a total lies.

I think we should respect that we have been asked to leave this be and not set up another thread of take over a thread we made for something else to comment on it again.

I understand you have taken a comment personal I don’t think it was intended that way I do not think it was about you but you believed it was and have taken grave offence, which is the reason for this attack / cheap shots this is about James and German girl not about yourself

I am sure German girl telling the truth or not has been distressed by this situation and what you are doing is also cheap shots like the completely rude and out of no where comment you made to myself in the old post.

I suggest everyone stops commenting on things they know ZERO about and do as we have been asked to do.

Andrea specifically stated if you have anything to ad that you should PM her and not to post on the subject matter any longer.

#42

Actually Helen you were told off because you made the asertion I was defending and making excuses for james, when I did nothing of the sort. I DID question what had occurred, because frankly, the"facts" as you call them were inconsistent.Nothing added up, not the time of their treatment and subsequent treatment by Jossie, not the towels they photographed thrown on the floor when they had stated they were in the tub, where they stayed, Mould that wasnt mould, nor the the breach of privacy nothing seemed to be as was represented. If it quacks like a duck and walks like duck, it’s probably a duck.

This isnt a court. We are being asked to make a judgement on events we werent witness to, with a half story that does not appear to be truthful. The only thing accomplished by bringing this to this forum, where james isnt even posting, is to trash his reputation. The forum is being used as judge jury and executioner, and in my opinion is being done so by someone who was involved all the way along, and who has a distinct hatred for James, and has been influencing this issue since long before it was posted here. Dont like my opinion? Form your own, I’m entitled to mine and to express it
I blocked Michael because of his comment, and because of his insistance that no one other than himself had any right to an opinion or to even discuss it with the OP. Sorry, but that’s not going to be washing here. If someone comes to hairtell in an effort to create an opinion about an electrologist who once posted here , it should not be a big surprise they actually recieve an opinion. Mine just happens to be that this situation, was either concocted by, or instigated by, Mr Bono.

In response to both your and Mr Bono’s inquiries though, no, I wont just shut up. I wont not have an opinion or not express it. I never have, nor never will.

Seana

#43

There’s a time and a place for everything. I don’t think HairTell should be taken this seriously, maybe it’s time for a break and collect your thoughts?

#44

You know what I wish? I wish Hairtell could be for discussing consumerism related to hair removal and not be turned into a soap opera daytime and nighttime drama.

Take your personal stuff to the private message option and free us all from this middle school atmosphere. Andrea tried to do that yesterday and I feel she struck the right tone by not allowing any further adieu. People get sick of the dog and pony show after a while.

Just move on.

#45

You say you have not defended James I suggest you read every single comment you have made on the subject matter and think again.

I agree this subject should be closed we are not interested in your issues with Michael which are loud and clear from your posts, I agree with Dfahey your making it into a soap opera it does not need to be, you should inbox Michael direct if you have issues with him.

I do not have issues with you I simply disagree that your posts are not defending and making up assumptions again I suggest you read what you have wrote if you disagree.

Your current posts above are no better than what you are accusing others of doing.
Do not take things so personal not every comment that you are involved in is about yourself.
Again I agree with iLikeDIY I really do think you need time out to read back on your posts and collect your thoughts.

#46

I dont give a rats behind what your opinion is HElen. I’ve left. There is no value here anymore.

#47

I think it’s actually really, really, really relevant whether a respected electrologist that several people have recommended to other posters, both new and old, has inadequate, unclean facilities or not, or whether such claims are some crazy plot by another electrologist whose work has also been recommended. I think it’s incredibly irresponsible to dismiss the subject when both the professionals in question have been recommended by long-time posters on this board. I personally would not want to be treated by someone I can’t trust, because you never know what you’re getting, so this is kind of essential information.

#48

For me, I’m not talking about electro_client’s posts NOT being relevant. They are relevant and she unsuccessfully exhausted many behind the scene attempts to communicate with James through private and legal channels. She decided to go public after 8 months.

What isn’t relevant is speculation and detective game playing. Grievances have been heard. Nothing has been edited in the other thread that has now been locked. This is a website about hair removal. Electro_client has shared her not so happy hair removal story with others, something that is well within the realm of why this website exists. No one squashed her. No one edited her words. Her story is out there fair and square.

As James’ friend, I have weighed in with him privately and have boldly advised him to reimburse Sara and to clean up his place!

So, I’m back to - let the parties involved continue their “fight” without others second guessing “clues” like bath towels on the floor and mold vs. dryer lint!

#49

Okay now that I’ve actually read the thread, I’m honestly appalled.

I don’t want to be treated by a transphobic hair removal professional who invalidates somebody’s gender, and tells a trans person they aren’t the gender they are, and tells them to shut up. I don’t want to be treated by professionals who think that’s okay, or sweep it under the rug. Lots of trans people rely on permanent hair removal in order to transition, and everyone wants to know if a professional will be bigoted towards them, holds cruel views towards them. It is absolutely relevant that a victim of that bring that up. If this is how a person behaves when someone’s a victim of something by someone else, how else are you supposed to assume they’ll behave if they victimise a client? Other than that they’ll sweep that under the rug too?

You can’t maintain a professional, erudite, legitimate atmosphere focused on consumerism in the hair removal field without addressing the underlying morality of long-time contributors. If you aren’t trying to be good people with a consistent morality, how can new posters trust you? New posters put so much in the hands of hairtell pros. You can’t just shove it under the rug. It’s quite a luxury to not have ones gender questioned daily and have it be a potential source of trauma for a person. It’s not a middle school atmosphere for someone to have felt victimised for that, when they obviously were, and to bring attention to someone who talked like a bully and said something bigoted. It’s just common decency.

#50

Again Michael’s post was not necessarily regarding Seana he was addressing everyone who was commenting on the post she has just assumed it was regarding her because of her personal circumstances.

What Seana is suggesting is that Michael is making it up to get out competition James, this would mean that Josie and German girl would have to be in on this also, they have all colluded against James to make some elaborate story and some how made his property look the state it is by putting towels on the floor. To me that story is further far fetched and its obvious she’s got an axe to grind I do not believe making up stories and speculating will help any situation.

I would actually like to hear from someone who has had treatment by James because I have been using the forum for around 1.5 years although it has been made out James is a good electrolyisis I have not seen anyone post about personal treatment from him. I have however seen posts from people that have used Josie and Michael for treatment.

#51

I think this thread has drifted again.

Electro_client had every right to post on her experience. I myself was initially treated by someone who had a great reputation (not a poster on hairtell) but my skin afterwards told a different story. Rightly or wrongly, being a prominent pro poster on this board does elevates one’s status in consumer’s eyes. For those travelling long distances to see such professionals all they may have to go on is another’s first hand experience.

I too believe in privacy however this establishment is a place of business where appropriate sanitary measures such as sterile probes and tweezers required. As a diner in a restaurant you would not usually be privy to the kitchen. I would not want to dine somewhere with a dirty kitchen and nor would I want to have electrolysis treatments where the facilities weren’t clean.

I personally do not think Michael Bono’s comment was a bigoted attack but it was a plea to allow electro_client HER opportunity to speak and tell her story. I think Michael gets into trouble because he frequently says the things that other people think but not voice. It is unfortunate that written posts can be misconstrued.

I think James would be afforded the opportunity too to come forwards should he wish to put his side across, publicly or privately.

#52

I realize the thread has been locked but I was curious about one thing.

The client who had a bad experience with James, was previously treated by Josefa.

Why go to James in America? Isn’t the client from Germany? Wouldn’t Josefa be a better choice?

I’ve heard similar stories about James unfortunately.

#53

Electro_ client was treated by James first then Josefa. Josefa can explain the circumstances if she cares to. Yes, Josefa is very busy, but she has some wiggle room for special cases because she has extra help now. She has trained some family members. I hope that answered your very good question LDLD.

#54

Thank you very much Dee. Of course, as far as I can I want to explain the circumstances surrounding this case (I can not give details of the treatments without the prior consent of the client).

I’ll do it in strict chronological order of events, which will be displayed throughout the day.

#55

From Michael Bono:

[b]"Your comment mh1212 is perfect. I continually tell people that there
are hundreds of amazing therapists out there that do NOT post on-
line; they just do excellent work. Never be fooled by on-line egos,
slick websites or even “testimonials.” Usually fake!

There are so many accusations pointed at me, I don’t know where to
begin so I won’t. Just a couple comments.

First, I certainly do not “hate” James Walker! Why would I hate this
guy? I also have no jealously. He lives an entire continent away from
me (I’m in California; he’s in New York), and I barely know the guy.
Does Seana’s comment make any sense? Yes, I do have issues with James
and he knows what these are.

However, I’m not “wringing my hands with glee.” I will, however,
APPLAUD him if-and-when he re-pays GG a portion of the unused money
($6,000) and cleans-up his dump. His actions in this situation are
more like that of a Prima Donna than of a man trying to have a
legitimate well-respected business.

I’m trying to think, but I don’t think there is a single person here
on Hairtell that has not been angry with me so far? (The list
includes: Dee Dee, Josefa, LDLD and Helen. And, guess what? I love
all of them … I really mean it.) My comments often enrage people
because I’m pretty straight in my “delivery.” Besides, I AM a ROYAL
PAIN in the ass too! My “One has to be a woman” statement was not
meant as an insult … just a statement of fact.

I should have said, “Raised a female from birth,” because that’s what
I meant to say. I have many TG friends, and the most happy ones are
those that embrace being TG and couldn’t care less what others think.
Self-affirmation is the ONLY affirmation that counts.

Conversely, self-deception is damaging to you. My only “snarky”
comment about James is that he’s not the “Hair Removal GOD!” He’s not
a movie star, or “THE World Champion Electrologist,” and believing
your own shit is maybe at the root of this matter with GG. He’s just
like the rest of us: just another worker-bee pulling hairs and going
blind with a stiff neck. And, that’s it! That’s ALL! And, that’s enough!

My point to the TG person is that the public … 99% of them … are
going to experience you as a TG person, not as a “real woman.” You
have to accept this and be empowered by this reality, and not “flip
out” at sympathetic people that are willing to tell you this ultimate
truth. (There’s a great documentary film on Dr. Renee Richards. Watch
it to the end … great insightful person.)

For all the people on Hairtell that I HAVE insulted, please know that
my statements are actually coming from my heart and actually from a
place of love. Sounds mean, but my comments are real and whatever I
say is coming from a “NO-BS” place. (Think “Joan Rivers” … not
wishy-washy Obama!)

And, Seana? Oh, no worries, she’ll be back in less than 3-days. I
think this is the third time she has “gone off in a big
flurry?” (Again, watch the “Richards” documentary for some insight on
this “flurry stuff.”) "[/b]

#56

I’m not mad at Michael.

I am thankful for his honest advice and straight-talk.

I wish he was on the East Coast!

#57

Let me just say I admire the courage of GG, Josefa and Michael because it took guts to come forward about this united(and it was completely justified since Walker refused to speak to GG for months even before he had these health problems) because for one Walker has a repuation here with followers, there was no telling if people would turn on them or if it would cause turmoil between the community here.

Thankfully most members have come out in support and only a few are questioning the story. Those questions have mostly been answered and aren’t very logical. Also for Bono’s comment, it was taken out of context and Seana did just what Michael predicted, she made it all about her again. It is too bad it had to end the previous thread but atleast it’s still up and more people can see it, hopefully this further convinces Walker to do the right thing.

#58

I too respect Michael for his straight talking. I hope that he continues to post on hairtell.

#59

I dont because he isnt strait talking. But then I spent an hour and a half speaking to James this afternoon and I do have some answers. After doing so, I have a very clear picture of events as they happened but I’m not so sure I will be sharing them. I will say, that if this were my client, they would not be recieving their money back. You are being used folks. There are aspects to this issue that no one here is aware of, that

Michael,

Your words only back up that you dont feel transwomen are women.They are. Countless studies have proven transwomen even THINK in the same way as women. Once correction surgery has taken place not even a gynecologist can tell the difference. I DARE you to look atAndrea’s picture and say that “99% of people are just being polite to her” Piss off.Your comments are bigoted. Stay the hell away from me.

I do know what you have done and I think it far beneath any professional anywhere. Your actions are reprehensible.

“nd, Seana? Oh, no worries, she’ll be back in less than 3-days”
Dont count on it.

Seana

#60

I get the impression that in the same way James manipulated electro client, he is now manipulating you as well. Please don’t fall into his traps. Unlike him, EC’s thread atleast provided undeniable evidence.