Scars after electrolysis - need advice plz

Hi everyone,
I have had several successful electrolysis treatments with a professional electrologist. Recently, however, a treatment to remove some ingrown hairs from the cheek area near my mouth has left some scars. The treatment was done seven weeks ago and I still have the scars/marks left - see attached photos.
the morning right after the treatment, I woke up to a swelling on a cheek and yellow crust – never had that with previous treatments. I kept on trying to wipe the yellow crust with cotton balls wet with alcohol. The yellow crust kept on building up for up to three days – albeit gradually decreasing after everytime i wept it. I did not shave for the first two weeks. Afterwords, I have been shaving only once a week. I have noticed that the scars get a bit more red after shaving – they’re still a bit red even when I don’t shave for a week or so.
Are these temporary or permanent scars? what should I do with them? how long will it take for them to be gone? any knowledgable advice is greatly appreciated!!

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I will bet that these areas will heal, but only time will tell. It can take up to a good year and a half for the skin to totally recuperate. The lymph fluid that you kept wiping away, signifies over treatment. Did you alert your electrologist that this has happened to you? All seemed well for you after previous sessions, so her track record is good. I think feedback is a must when concerns arise.

Your pictures are a bit blurry, but what I think I see is redness and indentations?? How were your ingrowns removed? Did she use a sterile lancet? Did she dig and dig to get the hair to release? Was she using blend or thermolysis?

Any chance you can submit pictures that are clearer?

I am not one to recommend products for this type of situation because sometimes a product can interfer with natural healing. If I had to choose something, though, I would use a good quality aloe vera gel and apply it as liberally as you want, on a daily basis.

Thanks and hope you heal soon.

Thank you for taking the time to read the post and respond. Yes, it is redness and indentations that appear on my skin. I discussed this situation with my electrologist – have not had her take a look yet. She recommended the use of a gentle exfoliant to speed up the new skin generation process.
As far as to what has been used, I’m not sure but I think it was a sterile lancet. She had to dig sometimes to get the hairs. She uses blend. The skin recovery and hair regrowth results have always been really good so I never questioned what she uses.
I read that a prescribed cream could help with scars. I also read that laser would help too, but not sure if I want to go that route yet. Do you recommend either of these approaches? And what about the OTC creams that are supposed to help with scars? are they worth the money?any brand you recommend?
Thank you again for the advice!much appreciated!

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Thanks for posting the pictures again. They are much clearer. Are you going to see your electrologist again soon? If not, maybe you can e-mail the pictures to her.

A plastic surgeon that I talked to in the recent past said the over the counter scar creams are useless. A dermatologist or plastic surgeon can give you some options if these indented red marks do not resolve in the months ahead.

Show us some updated pictures as time passes, 'kay?

will do!thank you for the advice Dee. I think a good first step would be to see a derm.
I can notice some slow and slight improvement in the marks but just don’t know how long it’ll take or if these slow little improvements will stop at one point.

I would apply Retirides, daily if in a low concentration (0,025%), or in cycles of 3 days leaving a week off between the various cycles if a higher concentration (0,05%/ 0,1%).

Retirides == tretinoin, or Retin-A in the US

Thanks Caith! :slight_smile:

Thanks Caith, Thanks Josefa. I’ll definitely discuss this with the derm that i’ll be seeing. The cream is not an OTC so I could not get it without a prescription.
thx,

It is probably not a good idea to continue with electrolysis while using Retin- A, but that is a decision made by you and your doctor.

Maderma brand scar revision cream’s active ingredient is onion juice extract. :wink:

externally, tea tree oil would have stopped the yellow weeping sooner, and aloe would have helped it heal faster. Internally, vitamins A,C,E, and zinc would help you.

I’ve had no problems when I worked on a skin which is exposed to topical tretinoin. By contrast the post-injury treatment takes half the time to disappear. Temporary side effects of tretinoin are bothersome, but I know nothing more effective for fast and effective recovery of collagen fibers. Of course, one must work very carefully, because you need half the energy to work in these follicles.
Glycolic acid will give the same results without the annoying side effects, but you need much more time to achieve the same results.

I don’t foresee myself needing any extra sessions on that particular area Dee; would you still not recommend using Retin-A?

I absolutely give a thumbs up to using Retin-A on these areas! Retin-A and the less potent over-the-counter sister brand, retinol, still have so much appeal after all these years because THEY WORK. It is un-refuted that Retin-A works to remodel the skin on the molecular level and has an enormous impact on skin texture, wrinkles and brown spots. It causes the skin cells to turn over rapidly so pores are less likely to clog and become blackheads and whiteheads. For you, Retin-A will help boost the collagen to give your skin structure, firmness and elasticity. New collagen will be formed with regular use and the effects will last for years. It shrinks enlarged pores, too. Back in the mid- 1980’s the first double-blind study of Retin-A was done on sun damaged skin and ALL the patients that participated showed great improvement.

More random notes on this great product. I can never give one sentence answers.

The use of Retin-A is misunderstood for the newcomers. If certain cautions are not explained you can have negative side effects in the beginning, especially. Retin-A can actually make the skin look worse with redness, peeling and flakiness. Some people look like they have severe acne that can last for up to eight weeks. By 24 weeks, you see vast improvement. Your doctor will probably say, don’t give up if you have skin worse than when you started. If this happens to you, then what I was trying to say in my earlier post is delay electrolysis, in these areas, until you get over the hump.

There are ways to make this less irritating. First of all, don’t over apply. All you need is a pea-size dab for your entire face. You will need less because you would be treating a specific area. Some of the brand name Retin-A products contain moisturizers. They have more-advanced delivery systems for getting the active ingredients into the skin. Generics may not have these extra’s.

Ramp it up slowly for about six weeks. Again, don’t slap on too much of the gel or whatever form you apply. Your doctor will advise you whether to start off with a dab every threes nights or once a week or every other night or every night?

Sun protection is vital. There are concerns about waxing while using Retin-A. Waxing may tear the delicate skin. There is some literature that cautions against having electrolysis. Even though it is not made clear about when not to have electrolysis, I would avoid it on any area of the face for the first six weeks when the skin is very sensitive and perhaps irritated looking. When things calm down, using insulated probes and reducing the energy would be advised.

I work on many people that use Retin-A, but I choose to wait until they are past that initial “volcanic eruption” when the skin is red, dry, flakey and itchy.
If you are not going to work on those areas while your skin is peeling, but continue work on other areas, then thumbs up to you, dude.

Please make it clear to your electrologist to avoid doing this again. This is an added expense to correct a problem caused by her treatment, not to mention the distress you may be feeling now.

James, the product you mentioned is the product the plastic surgeon smirked about, just as you did with your emotion icon. Not as effective, if effective at all, than something like Retin-A that has proven its might for over 25 years.

Here is an old thread that has good information:


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Thanks SUPERDUDE for a great question!

unfortunately, I won’t get to see the derm until the last week of January. Meanwhile, I’m posting a couple new photos. seems that there’s a slight bit of improvement even though I have not used anything.

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The way this is looking, you may have to cancel your appointment.

Thanks for checking the photos Dee, I’m attaching a couple more taken today.

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These show some indentations and look different from the previous photos. Are all the photo’s taken in macro?

No, it was auto focus and flash did not go off.
It’s confusing cz they look similar to the first photos I posted. I took a new pair with macro and zoom in. they look different too.
truth is when I look at them in a mirror, there’s still indentation and redness but they look more elevated – less deep, and somewhat smaller in size than before.

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Well, your dermatologist appointment is coming up soon. It will be interesting to see what she or he prescribes. This is NOT what we as electrologists want dermatologists to see because it does not represent what a skilled electrolysis is all about. It scares doctors away from recommending electrolysis to their hirsute patients. The doctor is more likely to write a prescription for Vaniqa, which would not help your situation at all. Laser is pushed more often when a dermatologist witnesses scarring from electrolysis like this. Whether this is permanent, is left to the hands the time and perhaps some medical inervention.