Hi Laurier.
Your website does not have a phone number, otherwise I would call.
Is your insulated okay for those few clients who still prefer blend?
I am also interested because i intend to try the same tomorrow. Synchro with Laurier probes on male beard - if, e.g., multiplex is not preferable.
Beate
I used PicoFlash on James. Energy levels varied. I was anywhere between the high 300’s and the high 600’s. With the gold #6, I hung around on the higher levels. With the Laurier insulated probe, it definitely called for the lower values, which makes sense. I saw James before they departed today, and he and his wife didn’t think there was a but a few red dots. At conversation distance, I could not see any. I didn’t have time to look at him under magnification ( had to get to my massage!) Sensation-wise, he seemed comfortable unless I screwed up on an insertion, which I do occasionly because I am only H-U-M-A-N. He can answer your questions better, Arlene, that is if he stops traveling around so much.
My plan is to work on my son-in-law in Synchro with the Laurier, hopefully this weekend. I will give you feedback.
MultiPlex, why not! I’m sure the probe is meant for any modality. Mike should answer that question.
I just need plenty of time to study, observe and ask more questions perhaps.
I was using Multiplex. I use the pedal. While I still do not master the technique without pedal. New needle and training (without pedal) in one day is too much for me.
I agree with the suggestion of Mike Roy, you must opt for smaller size of the probe.
My two clients face today have called to let me know the status of the skin. Curiously, the two have used the same term: “Perfect”
My client in the legs (the anesthesiologist) has called me to tell me that much difference in the segment where I used a no-insulated needle (just minutes) compared with the area made with Laurier (110 minutes). She will take pictures and will send it to me in the coming days.
Arlene, I sent you some 5’s and some 4’ to try. You should see them friday or monday.
The only modality we do not reccomend is galvanic, extended exposure to the lye will damage the insulation. The short galvanic-like exposure blend produces won’t bother them. They will work well with all, but were designed for thermolysis and are at they’re very best with flash and picoflash.
Thanks Jossie.
For Mike:
Why are size 6’s made? James has the biggest hairs possible. If not for him, then who?
We actually sell very few, I only have to make them a couple times a year.
I try not to think about it too much…They are a size that was once more popular. A .003" will get the job done as far as delivery, but you have to stretch the follicle for contact. One has to find a happy medium between the two. The focus of the energy is the key. You see the effective power increase from your equipment, it will also allow you to step to a smaller size and still be effective.
Laurier, thank you. I already received my order from Prestige. I ordered the IB2, IB3 and IB4. I didn’t order the 5 because when the hairs are thick enough for a 5, I use non-ins. gold.
The thing is, once I began using your insulated 4, I knew I could go up to your IB5. I liked the insertion. I liked the way the hairs released while being able to use lower currents. So far epidermal tissue reaction is minimal.
I used Pico with your IB2 with two pulses, each one at a different depth simply because its an insulated probe. This made me wonder how the length of your non-conductive coating compares to other insulated probes.
I used Synchro with the IB3 and IB4.
I don’t know when I will be ready to use them on paying clients.
Thank you.
A first impression from me…
The first testing case i have chosen was a fairly easy beard case: size 5-6 mal beard, low energy required. Previous treatments have been done with the Apilus Junior in “progressive pulse blend” - galvanic 1 s, 0.99 mA, thermo 5 pulses of (usually) 0.16s/42%, and significantly more if i use non-insulated probes. The hair typically epilates after 2-3 pulses. The skin reaction is typically quite large, but healing is very unproblematic.
Today we did a session with the Apilus Pure (the direct equivalent to the above setting would be picoblend with pulses of ~35%)
Needle sizes were Ballet 6i and Laurier size 5, i.e. both needles were insulated. As this was my first beard job with the Pure i decided to test the thermolysis modes.
We did a 3 hour job on cheeks and upper lip, right side with the Ballet probe in pico, left side with the Laurier probe in pico, multi and finally also synchro.
There were significant differences. The largest one was the step to the 27-MHz machine: less energy per hair, hence less swelling, less redness disappearing quicker, slightly less pain.
The Ballet insulated required 230 EL on the cheeks and 180 EL on the upper lip. There is probably some room for a reduction when i become more familiar with the machine.
The Laurier inserted nicely, and using pico as well as multi the intensity could be lowered to 205 EL. Not quite unexpectedly i could go down to 190 when i switched to pico.
It was clearly visible from the hair that the destruction of the tissue was limited to the deeper part of the follicle.
On the upper lip the difference was not as obvious - not surprising because the uninsulated area of the Lauriers is much larger than on the Ballets.
Pain: according to the client, no significant difference between the probes on the upper lip (but using the Junior we would have needed to apply EMLA). On the cheeks, pain varied with the intensity, and multi was less painful that pico at the same interval. This night i’ll try to sterilize the probe.
Tomorrow i will see clients where i might try Laurier size 6 - huge facial whiskers reuqiring much more energy than today.
First impression on the probe: very promising.
Beate
I will be starting my “test” in a few days. I will be using a Laurier #5, and also a Ballet #5 insulated with full manual blend on a beard. I can’t wait to get my needles — I remember how elegantly they were made. (The really fun part is “who” I’m working on! I have permission to photograph and you can guess at “who it is!”) I bought this “insane” digital camera a year ago — with all the super close-up lenses and I’ve been too lazy to learn how to use it. Now is the time.)
I am starting to document the work I am doing using Laurier IB probes and comparing it to another insulated probe which I will refer to as Ins.X
The chart I am making is noted below and I would appreciate it if my colleagues here would review it and let me know what else you suggest I include. Thank you!
SUBJECT: female, 20’s, no known hormonal problems
HAIR DESCRIPTION: mostly anagen, fine to medium
SKIN MOISTURE: normal to oily
SKIN HYDRATION: high
AREA TREATED AND PROBE TYPE: IB Laurier #3 upper lip left side
SECOND AREA TREATED AND PROBE TYPE: Ins. X #3 (also a 2 piece probe) upper lip right side
MACHINE: Apilus Platinum
MODALITY AND TECHNIQUE: picoflash 2 x 98 el (.012s 64%)
PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS (PO)
PO Insulation:
Laurier IB#3: I can see the insulated area on the probe
Probe Ins.X: I could not see the insulated area on the probe
PO Strength:
Laurier is both strong yet flexible
X is also strong and slightly more flexible
PO probe diameter:
laurier seemed thicker than X and I can not know for sure as I do not own a micrometer (anyone have one?)
PO Conductivity:
X conducted heat to the epidermis even though insulated
Laurier did not show obvious signs of epidermal reaction
PO Subject:
Treatment on left side of upper lip was more comfortable (laurier)
Colleagues, what else do you think I should include?
The client has yet to report healing (pin point scabbing)
Maybe an impression of the durability.
All three probes i have used so far have been cleaned, packaged and are being sterilized. One survived a 2 hour session in good state.
Today’s tests:
Again male beard with very thick hair. First clearance of the region. Mode: synchro, 320-500 EL, ocasionally two insertions were necessary. Skin reaction remarkably good - only litte swelling and less redness than adjacent areas one week after treatment (my previous results were similar to Caith’s)
Ok, further results: thick beard, size 6 selected. Male beard, mostly cheeks and throat. I did not try to bend the probe, and it remained straight during treatment. In the most difficult parts of throat some epidermal reaction could be noticed on one of the clients. The probe had to be cleaned a few times.
Although not comparable: i also did the upper lip of one of the clients using multi at 160 EL and a Ballet insulated size 2. Skin reaction was moderate but more visible than the areas on the throat treated with the Laurier.
One of the clients was very fond on the low sensation.
Beate, I am glad that you and I have reached the same conclusion. After two hours, the needle has resisted and can be reused again, of course, sterilizing it first.
I have read that tomorrow will be a new workshop for members of the DVEE. If I have understood correctly, one of the topics to be discussed is the pain?
You will attend the event?
With the purpose of establishing the presence or absence of one of the side effects of Electrolysis, scabs. I had a test on the arm of a woman of 24 years.
Hair phase: Most of the follicles were treated in telogen.
Probe Type: 002 Laurier.
System: Multiplex
1ª picture shows the skin before.
2ª photo: immediately after (20 minutes).
3ª photo: 27 hours later.
4ª photo: 3 days later.
No relief can be seen in the skin to touch (NO scabs). During the next week I’m going to do the test with an insulated needle, in another brand. I will use the same parameters and I will photograph the area with the same sequence of time.
Well, Photobucket appears to be unavailable at the moment. Google Picassa will do, if I can remember how to upload here.
I have once again raised the image sequence from the beginning:
Test done with needle Laurier, area woman’s arm.
Before
Immediately afterwards.
27 hours later.
3 days later.
6 days later.
After 6 days, some scabs have appeared, but as this is seen in the images are very few in the upper area, maybe because I do not tighten the skin enough there?
I surrender to the evidence Mike Roy, your father designed the “Stradivarius” Electrolysis needles. Thank you
This is another test. To the left of the image, the scabs of a needle without insulation. On the right the red dots Laurier needle.
The picture belongs to the leg of the woman who recorded the video (the anesthesiologist).
My Two Cents;
I´m currently undergoing treatment with Josefa (a kind of good witch with needles). At my last appointment I was told that new needles were in town…Well, let´s give them a try, why not.
The pace was slower, hair gets zapped to a slightly lower rate…but afterwards there´s no doubt about that needle was the real deal regarding “I have to stand in a photocall tomorrow at night”
I don´t know yet if the slower (remember, barely slower) pace was about Josefa still taming the new needle (if so, she´s getting it, no doubt) but for me, was worth to try it on an square inch patch of my skin.
Tomorrow morning* I´ll upload a picture displaying my arm after a week so you can find out if I´m not mistaken
*maybe later because all depends of me trying to figure out how my new Samsung S works.
P.S: as usual, I apologize for mistreating your language.
Spaniard, you do not “mistreat our language”. Your English is excellent. I’m certain many of us would more badly mistreat :sick: your Spanish language. Thank you for participating and contributing! 
Impressive.
Yesterday i did a first test of the Laurier probes with the Apilus Junior (more will follow, mainly because my brand new Pure seems to be defect). Bikini zone, pulsed thermolysis, Laurier size 5 against Ballet insulated size 3 (i needed it mainly for an adjacent area with finer hair on the upper legs). It could be easily seen from the shape of the bulb coming out with the hair how the energy is concentrated to the deeper parts of the follicle which coincides with the healing pattern Josefa showed in her postings above.
The client issued the expectation to be treated with the Laurier needle in future because that was more comfortable than the Ballet.
One drawback: the durability. First experience seems to indicate that it is not larger than that of Ballet, especially Ballet gold, where the cold cover seems to protect the tip from oxidation to some degree. During a recent 6 hour job i had to change the probe because of a broken tip - the rest of the probe was still in perfect state. My gold probes usually could be used throughout such a job, however under pretty different working conditions (synchro at 27 MHz against fast pulsed blend at 13.5 MHz), so there is a lot more of observation necessary regarding durability.
Beate
Beate, I have not tested yet on bikini area. But I tried on my machine Blend 13.5 MHz in other areas, my tests are not conclusive yet, but the adaptation has been more difficult. In my opinion it is worth further testing. The bikini area is one that most have post-inflammatory hyperpigmentation.
If I manage to reduce the reaction on the skin surface, my customers will not have to interrupt their treatment during the beach season.