Part II: Laurier

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#901

The “treatment” level of energy does not extend very far above the uninsulated portion of the tip Deanna, only 10 percent of that level is released to the upper root sheath. The upper sheath does not want to “give up” as it were, but that is not the true anchor point. That is taken care of down in the target area below.

This is why it is very important to understand the Kelly tip concept. While the Kelly tips have shown suprising pain reductions for shallow insertions, they are not intended for deep hairs like Dee’s pic above. A full length standard tip is appropriate to get a good release with these deeper hairs. When the deeper ones are the exception instead of the rule, one can deal with them by displacing and firing again when the shorter Kelly tip is used.

#902

Mike, for me the Kelly tip concept was an easy one to grasp. I was questioning the ability of an insulated probe (even when a large portion is uninsulated - like that of the 5&6’s -.055 insulation) to treat the hair with a single pulse. Remember, I am coming from being an advocate of gold probes. This makes sense though. I like the 10% explanation - I think that little bit of added energy would make a big difference on the release.

#903

That is exactly why my father put it there Deanna :wink:

The standard tips are in proportion to their respective tip diameters. .055" is also the exposed tip length for the .005 research proved that there was little need for the tips to be any longer. By the same token, the 2’s and 3’s both carry a .035" standard tip. The Kelly tips are called for when the follicle is shallow and the overall depth of the follicle is reduced to confine the treatment area back down where it needs to be.

#904

Trying to explain the new tips has been challenging indeed. Erika Frankle has a blog with a lot of good information on it and she has taken the time to put this information in a very user friendly way.

http://www.permanent-hair-removal-info.com/2013/02/28/laurier-electrolysis-probe-ibp/

For the readers here, You might want to explore her blog a bit. It constantly evolves and she gets input from a large number of professional electrologists. It is not a discussion forum like Hairtell but is a very good source of information. Stay tuned, like I said it evolves constantly.

#905

Great overview of the Laurier needle variations on the link above. Like I see, the offer is realy huge.

And I like that the needle with Kelly tip destroys the myth, that ONLY anagen hairs can be treated, which is still used by many electrologists to disinform their clients and to justify bad results they get from the treatments.

#906

Please take a moment today in your Saint Patty’s day celebrations to raise a glass to J. Laurier. He Invented the Laurier IBP and made it with his own hands from 1970 until just days before his passing in 2010. An accomplishment unequalled to this day.

J.Laurier Roy 1930 - March 17 2010

The greatest man I ever knew and the best friend I ever had.

#907

Hip! Hip! For J. Laurier O’Roy!

He really touched so many of our lives, both on the practitioner side and on the hairy consumer side and you keep his honor alive, Mike O’Roy, on this day and every day.

Love to you on this day of remembrance!

DeeDee O’Fahey

#908

Cheers to J. Laurier Roy!

I recently began using the Laurier needles because of all the wonderful things that have been posted here on Hairtell. They are by far the *** BEST *** needles I have used.

Thank you!

#909

I would like to invite everybody to have a look at our new website design. IMO Erika Frankle has done a masterful job and she specializes in web pages for electrologists. I provided her some information, she took the ball and ran with it. I can’t say enough about her talent and her personal interest in the profession.Have a look and tell us what you think !

www.laurierinstruments.com

#910

Nice. The tapered needle is not mentioned. Do You want to drop these?

#911

Not yet Beate, someday that will happen (of course we have been saying that for 43 years) The IBP was intended to replace the bare needle. In the process the tapered needle needed to be developed first. In the mean time, galvanic operators found out about them and have created a demand over the years. The taper is very important for galvanic to produce the optimal pattern. It needs to closley match the natural taper of the follicle to provide an equal contact pressure along it’s length. This pattern is demonstrated in Dr. Schuster’s “Thermolysis” DVD. The egg white provides the exact same pressure/resistance along it’s length.

The company focus has always been thermolysis and blend to an extent. Our uninsulated tapered needles are but Probe “blanks” and are sold at their cost at that point in their manufacture.

They are available in all the standard sizes except the 4.5. We hadn’t advertised them but if there’s a call for uninsulated 4.5’s I’d be glad to make them.

If anyone wants to talk to Erika about their own website It’s Hammer Data Systems www.hammerdata.com. She has special deals for electrologists and knows this business well.

#912

Josefa has been busy :grin:

Videos have been added to the web page of the egg white demonstration thanks to her determination. The egg white demonstration is easy to do but very difficult to capture on film. Bravo Josefa, bravo !! :slight_smile:

#913

Thanks Mike.

The truth is that this has been a very interesting and enlightening experiment. In my opinion, any student with a bit of concern should take place, in order to learn what is happening “down there” and how it affects “up there”. Since I saw the DVD of Dr. Schuster I wanted to repeat this experiment for myself. Like him, I’ve tried to be thorough and objective, by using various probe types which you can find on the market. Different types of probe, different coagulation pattern. The intention was not to highlight some, or, discarding others, but confirm or refute his findings.

Seeing how the current acts in egg protein, you can get a rough idea of how the current acts in human tissue, and apply that information to the requirements of each case. For example, if all you need is to produce a heating pattern to destroy the follicle of a very dilated pore, or improve a small old scar, your best choice will be an uninsulated needle, because then you may affect the infundibulum, and the healing process will help provide a more uniform appearance to the skin.

If instead you face a high hair density case, where you must try many follicles close together, your choice might be an insulated probe, since as seen in the second video, the heat will reach much less the surface skin, and therefore the treatment will be more comfortable.

Although you can only see two videos, there were many more with different insertion depths, different thickness probe, etc.

#914

In this test, I wanted to check the durability of the insulation layer in a Laurier IBP. To do this, I tested a virgin probe (.006 Medium), and another used for more than six hours in a woman’s leg (the same size). This was the result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tPLq-qrGRM&feature=youtu.be

As you can see in the second stage of the video, the insulation was still working.

#915

For area’s where laws do NOT state probes must be one time use, are most people using the Laurier IBP disposing them after one use or are they reusing them on the same person?

If they are reusing them (same person), are they sanitizing or actually sterilizing (autoclave) them in-between uses?

If one is using an autoclave, how many uses can one get out of the probe?

Feel free to comment your opinions or PM me.

#916

As far as the autoclave is concerned, the IBP can be repeatedly dry heat or autoclave sterilized as many times as you want with no damage to the insulation.

I see over on facebook, Skip posted that Instantron is having a sale on the Laurier IBP

#917

Great video Josefa!

I wasnt surprised, I withess this on my last treatment in Malaga.

#918

I’ve had quite a few requests, and it was suggested we put a pay per download printable brochure on our website for Laurier users to give to their clients. I asked Erika to whip something up for that and there is now a downloadable flier there at no charge for download in .pdf format.

I considered a tri-fold but we went with a single sided sheet to make printing it simple. May I suggest glossy paper for best results.

#919

You all saw me rave about the work Erika Frankle and Hammer Data systems did with our website about a month and a half ago. When we brought it online we forgot to turn the stastic counter on so we lost 2 weeks of data. That would have covered the regulars here that had already seen our old page. The initial “surge” as it were, in the counts.

Well the April statistics just came in and she more than TRIPLED our traffic counts ! I cannot say enough about her work. If you’re thinking about upgrading or starting your electrology related website, I can’t reccomend her enough.

Distance is not a problem, we are the best part of a thousand miles apart. We spoke once on the telephone so she could get a “feel” for Laurier and myself and the rest was done through the e-mail.

I may not be on the top of her satisfied client list but I can promise you I’m on the first page for sure !

#920

I was using an IBP 4.5 med. the other day with an approximate 85 degree bend. I needed to spin it a little so it would be in line with my cord and my position. Thinking I could just bend it over to where I would be comfortable the blade spun in its crimp. I have not had this happen before but I have not really tried to make it happen. I thought that it was pretty cool they way it did that. It really goes to show how well these probes are made. Any other two piece may have broken or may have gotten all twisted up and nasty. The blade spun in its crimp almost like it was designed to do it. I am not sure if it will do it with other IBP probes or if it was just a loose crimp but it was convenient and smooth.