I think you will find the 4.5’s well suited to that task beate.
I have some good news. The 4.5 Medium is in production. The first ones are on their way to Instantron now. Skip should have them in the next couple of days. I’ve been getting very good reports back on them from the pro’s doing the testing. The design we’ve settled on uses the .004" sized exposed tip. To review, it is a .0045" diameter tip that tapers down from .006" at the stem vs the .005" wire a standard .004" is made from. This provides the focus of the IBP with the feel and speed of a one-piece. Clinically it will perform just like the standard IBP but more rigid for speed.
I saw one of my back cases on Monday. I used the 4.5 LONG TIP (.0045". / .1143mm) for over three hours and covered a lot if territory. I was smiling the whole time. It was a nice experience. I settled on the Back program / Picoflash / 268 el’s - 300 el’s for this particular hair structure. Client was comfortable and we were enjoying the audio book on my Kindle, ‘Why We Are Fat and What To Do About It’, but I digress…
I am dealing with the stickiness, which mostly occurs near the end of the sessions. The energy levels must be monitered closely to keep this at bay.
I am glad you are distributing the 4.5’s, Mike. I love the new IBP back probe. I will still give you comparison feedback for the 4.5 short tip, verses the .004 medium and the .005 long, once my guys start rolling back in, which will be soon!
I haven’t completely written off a longer tip version Dee, I am very interested in what you find. The long tip is, for all practical purposes, a thin .005" Medium. If you find those long tips require a second shot very often, we may have to go to an even longer tip. This moves “outside the box” as it were and would be a specialized Probe. Even the 6’s carry a .055" tip like those long tips carry. To go that far I’ll need to also do comparative testing at 13.5mhz.
Fear not M’lady we will get that one shot kill you seek 
I have to insist on my preference for the first prototype you built. For me, the “heavy 4.5 Medium” has adequate strength, the ideal length of free tip, and perfect resistance. Yesterday, I was more than 7 hours working with one of these probes in the same person, and both the tip and the insulation were intact when I finished. I recorded this video when the session came to an end. Sometimes it took two pulses, but often a single pulse was sufficient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QeM3uC1Gu0&feature=channel&list=UL
Today, I have been working more than 8 hours in the same person. He could check the status of the probe to end the session. Since he is a Hairtell user, maybe he wants “to talk”?
That prototype is very close to the 4.5 that we now make Josefa. I believe that tip length is just a bit longer.
The problem we may still have to address is if that tip is long enough for heavier hair than that. You and others have discovered the other uses the new size is good for. I may still produce a longer tip for special cases.
One thing we must consider is a 4.5 with a very long exposed tip would not be appropriate for a more shallow insertion like a leg. In that case the treatment would occur too close to the surface and defeat the IBP’s purpose. It would need to be sold for it’s intended purpose, not for general use. Skip will need time to evaluate the full effect these new sizes produce to advise the consumer on their uses. I’m sure his instruction will be invaluable.
The production 4.5 is obviously well suited for this case. What I want to see is one pulse the majority of the time. By needing a second pulse now and then we know we are not reaching up towards the surface needlessly.
An update on this case:
Before first clearance: June 2012.
Aspect of the arm now.
We’ve all dreamed of the ideal treatment:
A system that would eliminate 100% of any type of hair permanently, as is the Electrolysis, and who had nearly 0 side effects as with the laser. Well, here it has been. The treatment was done in early June, just when you’re wearing short sleeves here. It was not necessary to conceal these arms with long sleeves. Small lesions were virtually undetectable.
Thank you from Marta, Mike Roy.
I wonder – what are the main changes in technique? Reducing the current and doing two pulses at different depth for anagen hairs? Is it right?
Or something else as well?
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I set up a video that may help you understand. I’ll upload it soon to YouTube.
Thank you very much Josefa, I even forgot about my question! It is amazing that you remembered it!
Hi mike, I have recently completed a 43 hour week on a client, using 4.5 short tip and 4.5 long tip. I will see in a few months if there is a difference between the two tips.
However since I’m new to Laurier I am really impressed with these needles in general, ‘magic wee wands’. They are beautiful to use and much more durable compared to the last brand I was using. I did have quite a bit of stickiness to begin with, but with some slight adjustments I was able to remedy this.
Dee and Josefa have much more experience with the different tips and I have been reading with interest their views and results.
Thanks again for the samples Mike.
Hello Mairi ! The production version Instantron has now is the short tip that you have. It carries the same length exposed tip as a standard .004" Probe. We may produce a longer tipped version in the future for very deeply rooted hair but that will depend on feedback directly related to back cases.
Your observation of the buildup is common. Less effective insulation requires more power be delivered overall to get the required amount to the base of the follicle where it is really needed, the IBP requires much less. The problem is the power reduction is so dramatic it takes a while for a pro to find the new “sweet spot” settings and take full advantage of the Probe’s capabilities.
Mike, I worked for two hours on a man’s back tonight using the 4.5 short tip. Had to do displacement for the hairs to ease out. With the 4.5 long tip, one burst of energy worked well for most hairs and that’s what I desire on a man’s back. One has to move speedily when doing a large area. I can do displacement, but prefer a one shot burst. More later, as I have booked several back appointments for August.
Do you have standard .005" Mediums in stock Dee ? They should compare closely to the long tip 4.5’s only .0005" larger at the tip. If they perform the same that would prove the 4.5 redundant. If it turns out you find the slightly smaller 4.5 diameter makes that much difference then a specialized size for back cases is in order. I want to see displacement, but only for a small percentage.
Mike, I have every size, except the 5 medium’s. I will order some tomorrow and let you know how it goes !
A 5 long will give you the same length exposed tip Dee, and will work as well for comparison.
Okay, I will try a 5 long tonight. I have just started a great back case. He is highly motivated to move forward asap. If he gives his permission, I will post some before pictures for all to see.
We still have a few of the long tipped 4.5’s on the shelf. I’ll have Deb send you another dozen along with a dozen 5 mediums.
That’s fine for the 4.5’s, Mike, but I can certainly purchase the 5 mediums. You have done plenty of free stuff for many electrologists and I certainly don’t expect to get free probes that I can easily purchase on my own. You are very generous and accommodating. Thank you.
Too late M’Lady, they’re already on their way
This is an important question I need answered Dee. My father stopped the .055" tip length at the .005" size. The .006" also carries a .055" tip. I believe this is the maximum tip length required and this comparison will prove or disprove that belief.
If we find displacement too common on these deep back hairs, then a special Probe is in order. Also, if the extra .0005" diameter at the tip makes insertions more difficult this would lead me in that direction.
A single pulse on every hair, Mike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSmIvM6w77o&feature=channel&list=UL
Ekade, maybe here you can see how the probe is stopped when the tip reaches the bottom of the follicle.