Hi Ekade. What state are you in?
Have you decided to go to electrology school?
Are you working on others?
What types of probes do you use?
What machines have you used?
What books are you reading?
Synchro system.
Parameters: 2,2 s / 43% / 270 e.l
Technique used for most of the hairs: double insertion technique.
Probe type: IBP: 006 long and 5,5 heavy.
This case was the first full man beard that I’ve done in my career (still only the first clearance). I was able to confirm some of the things I’ve been watching on the faces of many women.
The greater the swelling in the area, the less energy you need in the following days for the hair slip without resistance. I would like an expert like Dr. Schuster or Michael Bono himself, explain to us why the follicles are most vulnerable (temporarily) after the inflammatory process.
Josefa, might it be caused by the increased blood flow and fluid retention in the inflamed area?
Surely Caith, but how it affects fluid retention surrounding the follicles which have not been treated? what makes the links on the anchorage zone less resistant?
Caith, perhaps this is the answer: the local acidosis. In all wounds local acidosis enhances the catabolic processes. The increase of fluid into the wound area is intended to dilute the toxic decomposition products produced by tissues and bacteria.
I want to let everybody know we still have some of these sample packs left.
Clients, please understand, the submission form on the web page is only there to prevent spam, all inquiries come directly to my desk and no one else’s. Your privacy is extremely important to us. I answer all e-mail personally.
-Mike Roy
Yes Mike, we can match the speed of a one piece and combine that with minimal surface reaction.
There are things that were born to unite and succeed. This is the case of Platinum and IBP Laurier. I’m glad I attended this happy marriage.
A hummingbird in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgQTLOJ0G4
After 65 minutes:
^ Amazing. Mike how are you advertising your probes to UK electrologists…?
We actually haven’t advertised since the 1970’s when the IBP was first introduced Geeeza. Electrologists are a difficult bunch to reach without the trade magazines. Our customers have always sought us out vs. the other way around. We cater to the electrologist that strives for excellence in their results. Due to the IBP’s handmade nature, we can only make just so many and have no hope of ever meeting any significant portion of market demand. 8 out of 10 operators choose to use mass produced imported needles because of the cost and do not even discuss with their patients what they are using. Patient demand is our advertising department, when offered a choice most patients will choose the IBP over other brands. Compared to the hourly charge the cost difference generally does not bother the client when compared to the reduced irritation they demonstrate. For the vast majority of electrologists out there, mass produced needles are “good enough”.
Some good news for the UK. There is a distributor setting up shop in Ireland. I’m told they intend to open a school to teach the IBP to experienced electrologists. Postgraduate training, as it were. I’m not going to release who it is at this point because I do not know if they are ready as of yet. There is a large order in transit to them now so I expect them to “hang out their shingle” soon and will keep you all posted as I can.
Mike, from my 2 decade experience in this industry, you are the only supplier/manufacturer that I have encountered that actually asks for input from consumers.
This means so much. Over the years, I have spoken to industry educators and manufacturers on various concerns and they usually minimize issues and intimate that the messenger is the one with the problem.
You have not had to advertise but it wouldn’t be so bad if you did. The money, hopefully, goes to the electrology organizations that, hopefully, use it responsibly and result in helping everyone. Even though most electrologists do not use your probes, they are superior. If you advertise, more will know about them. Yes, your probes bite into my profit margin and I fill in with other probes too. There are times when I need 3 different probes in one appointment yet I am not passing on the expense to my clients. I will use other manufacturers probes too.
If you could create a variety pack of various IBP sizes and sell those at an introductory price, it might have wide appeal. Electrologists will discover that those probes are superior for those long appointments or appointments where contiguous hairs are being treated.
I have often felt the same frustration, Arlene. The obstinacy of some manufacturers is similar to the obstinacy of many colleagues to ignore the needs of consumers. If we can get the same results with Flash, why use a slow thermolysis?. If we can treat 20 follicles per minute, why choose to treat only 5 with galvanic?. If we can get lower surface reaction why continue to use a needle naked?
In recent days I’ve been working on a girl from UK. I hope she reads this and decides to tell her story, but if not, this here is a brief summary:
Female 21 years old. Overtreatment in upper lip with slow thermolysis (you are witness, Mike). The electrologist admits that there was overtreatment and decides to change methods, so start using Blend. This woman feels that all the hairs are being plucked. She writes me in despair, and despite the lack of time, I decide to accept this case.
19 hours divided in 11 days. First clearance in the upper lip, eyebrows, sideburns, chin, both arms, belly, body of the stomach, the surface of a palm on her chest. All work was done with two sizes of IBP. Total amount of the first clearance, 1146 €. Only in the upper lip, she had spent 1000 pounds in London.
Yes, sir, for a treatment of tweezing quite expensive. 
Oh, I forgot to mention that there were 4 laser sessions in her arms. Time and money lost. Hairs on the inside of the arms which cause to believe that there was some kind of stimulation, because the hair pattern is really strange. So I’m sick of crooks and incompetents laser technicians as well! :mad:
Im also sick of crooks and incompetents too! I too have wasted money on them. One example is a woman who did electrolysis on my eyebrows for over tow years and they are still coming in. She did not inform me that i was not to pluck between seeing her though i asked her MANY times if there was ANYTHING i needed to do to make the work succesful. Today my eyebrows still grow in those places. LOTs of money for getting my eyebrows plucked. I have searched and found so many laser places that dont have a clue and cant answer very basic questions. They seem surprised that i even ask. They simply want your easy money. Unfortunately that is the reality for the majority of us . There are very few experts like the Bonos or Josefas in this world so most of us are stuck getting slow, expensive treatments and worse often endure scarring and being swindled.
I read this board and see Josefa’s amazing photos and can only dream of being in such skilled hands, but reality hurts and at ths point i ask myself if it is more wise to stop dreaming, and just simply use a razor!
Arlene, have you tried the 4.5 heavy? is the new prototype that Mike has created, I call it a “chameleon” because it is the ideal size fits almost all types of hair in any phase of the cycle. You can use the same probe on the arm as in the belly or chin. It’s great. I also reserved the IBP only for the face and sensitive areas. Now I’m using in all parts of the body, because with the heavy I can work as fast as with a standard of one piece.
The problem, Danika, is that not enough supply for the demand that exists. Many heartless take advantage of this sad reality. I do not approve a professional charge one hour to remove hair for 55 minutes.
I’m flattered you compare me with Bono, but in reality, we only have one thing in common, we feel the same aversion to fraud. For the rest, I’m still far from being at his height.
Hi Josefa. I am very happy with the 4.5 and it holds up incredibly well. They are ideal for the marathon coarse hair sessions. I have always been happiest with the 2 piece probe.
The 4.5 is thick and although clients are generally comfortable,
I am wondering if a slight taper is good because sometimes I feel that I am stuffing the entire follicle with the probe. I wish I had a micrometer or whatever it is that is used to measure thickness of such small items. This 4.5 feels like a competitors 6.
I am so grateful for Laurier.
The 4.5 measures just that Arlene, .0045". Bigger than a 4 and smaller than a 5. The difference being that a standard .004" begins at the stem at .005" and tapers to .004" measured halfway up the exposed tip. The 4.5 starts at the stem at .006" and tapers to .0045" at the tip. This makes the medium length feel much more rigid than the long. It will insert a little tighter than a 4 due to the taper. If it presents too much resistance on insertion, step down to a standard 4.
The intent is to deliver the advantage of the IBP with the feel of a one piece.
The 4.5 will not be everyone’s cup of tea. The feel of a one piece is not tradional to our design, but desired by some for some types of treatment.
Speed and very extensive clearances for men are something relatively new to the profession and something I hope we can address.
I have been so lucky to test the heavy 4.5 Laurier with Josefa the last couple of days.
I must say I prefer this needle.
It lets Josefa work very fast, delivers a minimum of temporary side-effects and I find the treatments a little less painfull.
The heavy 4.5M is now my favorite. It puts wings on my hands. Speaking of hands, it’s time to update the case of a familiar hand.
BEFORE START ELECTROLYSIS:
AFTER 2 CLEARANCES. (In October and February)
[APPLAUSE]
I love those pictures.
Josefa, I am highly impressed with the 4-5 IBP 's as well.