It looks fantastic!
I am so happy for you and your sister Stoppit 
Hi stopit&tidyup everybodyā¦
Sorry for updating you people so lateā¦almost one& half monthā¦
I am undergoing electrolysis of entire face and neck for the laser indued hair growthā¦undergoing short wave diathermy or thermolysisā¦so far I am very happy with the progress.
I am going every two weeks/means twice month.
Session reduced to 30min to one hour.Scabbing is minimal now.
My neck is almost cleared now with only few stray hairs left.Face has similar storyā¦almost 70 to 80% reduction since I started my electrolysis in march.
My aftercareā¦no careā¦i let my skin to heal naturally with no interventionā¦i am seeing some hyperpigmentation which i hope will fade with time.
Electrolysis is effectiveā¦Laser is really a difficult method to predict specially on face.You need to find a skilled electrologistā¦needs dedication.
My electrologist works on all hairsā¦in all stagesā¦even work on fine hairs which are visible to her under her magnification.
Before (May 2011):
A year after the NUMBER THREE clearing (September 2013):
Conclusion: The customer who asks her electrologist if possible get rid of excess hair on three times is not asking for a miracle, but sheās just hoping to get what she deserves in return for her money.
Hi Jossie,
This woman, of course, is an ideal case because she has not āmangledā the hairs.
Nearly all facial hair clients, sadly, have spent a lot of time tweezing (often for years), recently waxed or shaved ā¦ or a bunch of other means that makes doing this in āthree clearingsā absolutely impossible. Even when most āface casesā get started doing electrolysis, they will be tweezing and shaving and waiting too long between electrolysis intervals.
I just wanted to mention this, because your facial case is extremely rare. All of us that ādo facesā are almost never presented with this beautiful āvirgin case.ā So, the trade-off is multiple treatments for at least 18 months or more (depending on the patients dedication).
I would hate to think that every āface caseā (Hairtell reader) expects to be done in three clearings! Not happening!
I get very few virgin hair cases. Wish I did. The ones I have worked on who had never touched their hair, well, it all went much like Jossie has shown. The mangled ones needed between 8 and 15 treatments over a period of a year to eighteen months to bring under control.
It is true. It will not happen ā¦ if the client does not cooperate, and if of course, the electrologist is plucking 5 of every 10 treated hairs even though this is a beautiful case of virgin hair, or if the practitioner refuses to make full clearances under the pretext that Electrolysis does not work on fine hair. Or that to work on these hairs is too expensive or risky for the client.
So I can consider myself very lucky, because in 90% of my cases of female facial hair, none of my clients shaving, waxing, or tweezing the area except bleaching or scissors once treatment has begun. Sometimes is myself who encourages them to cut their hair, if the intervals between clearances are too long. It really is extraordinary that they are so obedient and so participatory considering that I am not known for being too authoritarian. I guess the success is that this is the only condition that I demand to accept a case of female facial hair.
Stoppit, unfortunately, I forgot to take a picture of your sisterās upper lip before starting Electrolysis in May 2011. Yes, I know, an oversight inexcusable, but luckily you were more cautious.
Before first clearing. (May 2011) 
Before second clearing. (September 2011)
Before third clearing. (September 2012)
A year after. (September 2013)
Right side(September 2013)
I never thought Iād say this, but anyway, once had to be the first. I disagree with Michael here, Iāve been doing womenĀ“s upper lips for over 30 years and these cases, as any other body part, 3 clearances are sufficient if conditions (maximum of hairs present) and strategy (clear & wait) are optimal.
He he ā¦ disagreement is GOOD! (Especially for āusāunsā that are always on the same āwave length.ā)
Thing is, I donāt think we are in disagreement.
Iām trying to think back over the decades if I have ever had a woman with a āvirginā facial growth ā¦ like your patients. The answer is NO! Iāve never seen untouched hair on a womanās face ā¦ ever! Always I see them at the ātail endā of years of having trying everything else first.
When most face clients finally come in for an appointment, most of the hairs have been tweezed out (again) and the few remaining are shaved so close to the skin I can barely get them.
Seriously, the vast majority of my face cases were just wonderful and uncomplaining. All that I completed were really grateful. Itās just that IāM the impatient one! I donāt like cases that ādrag on for years" with all the tweezing and so forth that delays the success.
Now this is REALLY IRRITATING. So, a 30 year old woman comes for a consult. We made the appointment a month ago.We talk. She is in distress rubbing her face , almost crying because she has all this hair on her chin and upper lip and she canāt take it anymore! She lays on the table. I direct the light to her face, put on my surgical loupes, don my gloves, grab the cotton ball soaked with antiseptic, carefully look down upon her face and guess what? I SEE NOTHING! I ask what is bothering her? She says all the hair on her face. I look again. I SEE NOTHING! She replies, oh I had to tweeze the hair because I had an important meeting yesterday. Two words pop up in my head - COMMON SENSE.
I get very few virgin hair cases and when I do, I rejoice! I think American women have a very hard time letting the hair just be in its natural state, which I understand, but if you are going to an electrolysis appointment, wouldnāt you go with some hair peeking out of the skin?
Beautiful photos Josefa! I canāt wait to see all the progress when she returns back home. And, LOOK at that skin. For those reading; not only has the electrolysis removed the hairs but the skin condition (especially where there was acne) has improved so much.
My sister is young (23 now) and had been under strict instructions since her teens not to mess around with her facial hair. At that time, I didnāt know about electrolysis but I did know that we would find a solution somehow. So I will reiterate what I keep saying on these forums ābe patient!!ā. Be patient and put your efforts into finding and working towards a solution.
Michael and Dee, I completely understand what you are saying but I also believe (having seen evidence) that if a woman who was previously mangling her hairs, manages to follow instructions - present herself at her first session with the hairs having been untouched for at least 3 months (maybe some trimming but thatās IT) and then continues to follow her electrologistās instructions - the same results can be achieved in three clearings providing the electrologist keeps his/her side of the bargain and destroys all the follicles.
Personally, I believe that if the client trusts the electrolysis process and their electrologist and the electrologist gives a clear picture of results i.e. āI will be able to remove all the hair in three clearings, as long as follow my instructionsā, the client is far more likely comply. My best friend saw Josefa at the start of this year for her first clearance. She had previous Laser, she was a daily a tweezer and had the occasional threading. With detailed explanations of why it was in her best interests, I managed to get her to leave alone for the ābigger pictureā. The result being that that one clearance managed to permanently remove most of her problem hair, which was really important to her because she was unlikely to visit again.
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Now this is REALLY IRRITATING. So, a 30 year old woman comes for a consult. We made the appointment a month ago.We talk. She is in distress rubbing her face , almost crying because she has all this hair on her chin and upper lip and she canāt take it anymore! She lays on the table. I direct the light to her face, put on my surgical loupes, don my gloves, grab the cotton ball soaked with antiseptic, carefully look down upon her face and guess what? I SEE NOTHING! I ask what is bothering her? She says all the hair on her face. I look again. I SEE NOTHING! She replies, oh I had to tweeze the hair because I had an important meeting yesterday. Two words pop up in my head - COMMON SENSE.
I get very few virgin hair cases and when I do, I rejoice! I think American women have a very hard time letting the hair just be in its natural state, which I understand, but if you are going to an electrolysis appointment, wouldnāt you go with some hair peeking out of the skin? [/quote]
Dee, Michael, from time to time I also had this experience, and yes, it is extremely frustrating. The situation is not very serious if it is a local client who only moves from close range, but imagine the same case if the client has done 2000, 3000, or 6000 miles to get to you. This is the first idea I try to enter in the head when a new customer contact me. I demand them the same kind of commitment that I am willing to offer. Hairtell has become the best way to get these things to change, but keep in mind that there have been many long years of insisting that the hair must be in a growth phase for electrolysis works.
Unfortunately, there are still hundreds of pages of colleagues who maintain this absurd belief. Itās hard to win a war against an army commanded by proud generals who refuse to admit the facts, especially if the soldiers are being guided towards a certain death. What can we do? continue to demonstrate that strategy is as important as technique and/or professional ability. It is no use if a good electrologist has a 100% kill rate, if the client comes with 10% of total hairs, the remaining 90% will come later, and the feeling is of utter failure. Iām, even, more impatient than Michael, so, 18 months to see results seems like an eternity to me.
I want to see a radical change from minute following the end of the session, and I want the change to remain so throughout the process, first, and for a lifetime after.
For that reason, Iām not in favor of the strategy "select only the thicker ones, or the ABSURD āonly anagenā " in a young woman. I do and will continue doing if this is the wish of the client, but with the condition that let me do a test on a small area where there is virgin hairs, to avoid complaints like: āThis is not workingā. :tired: If Iāve learned something over the years is that a customer convinced of the infallibility of Electrolysis is a client motivated.
My reasons are the same reasons that Michael has in his preference of male cases. I do not want the same customers for life. I want to see new faces, but not before saying goodbye to the old faces with a big hug and some tears of gratitude in her/his eyes, while they are still young to enjoy a hair free lifetime.
Can we have some sort of sticky then with definitive instructions for people new to electrolysis so that we can get the best out of treatment?
I would love that because I want to get this right although I donāt think I will be able to find anyone locally to me who does it in 3 clearings.
Yeah, I know the feeling. Iāve had two clearences done by Josefa on my face too(above the beard) so far and there were two large red spots caused by years of plucking. After the first clearence it didnāt change much but now months after the second, everything is clearing up and I can barely see those red marks anymore. Maybe I could share pictures later if thatās ok with the topic starter.
Also, before I had my first electrolysis treatment on the face I stopped plucking for about 18 months or so, so the two clearences Iāve had so far have given me an amazing reduction already.
GOSH this was fun! I wish my clients could be reading this; maybe I will print it out for them?
The other thing I learned (Iām a SLOW/STUPID learner, I guess) is that because I donāt charge enough, my patients (face only) have no respect for my time. I mean no respect at all!
See, most of the time, I donāt charge at all when a woman has only a few hairs she has āleft for me.ā I mean, how can I charge anything for 10 hairs? When I do charge for these short appointments, itās usually $10 or $15 for the ten or 15-minutes. Still, these small appointments usually end up being an hour because we have so much fun talking about almost everything (nothing?).
With these clients, (that I have caused to have little respect for me) ā¦ they often will call me at home at, say, 10 PM and want an appointment the next day ā¦ even on Sunday! When I canāt do it that say: āOkay, Iām just going to have to tweezeā And then I hear from them in another two or three weeks ā¦ again, at the last minute with the ātweezing warning.ā (Iām starting not to care.)
Finally I stopped all this nonsense, and have referred all my ā10-hair clientsā to a wonderful colleague āKaren Stathis.ā Sheās terrific, wonderful and gets the job done ā¦ another Jossie for sure. (Sheās also from the ācrescent of hairā too: Greece!)
Now, I really have to laugh, because Karen has a $45 minimum: even for ONE hair, itās still $45. And, WOW Iām getting the phone calls and all my ā10-hair clientsā are going crazy. āOh my God, sheās actually CHARGING me for five hairs!ā
Iām not taking them back and they are probably āthe betterā for it. NOW, they are going to make sure they have a good crop of hairs to maximize their charged-for appointment.
Actually, itās all my fault. Itās like raising kids ā¦ sometimes you have to be āfirm.ā I donāt know how to do this, so I gave up completely. When it comes to working with women, I cave in every time.
Then again, maybe itās this Ć¼ber-wealthy community? ALL of these (actually great) women are, by my standards, VERY wealthy (and spoiled?). The wealth that is sometimes displayed is downright sickening. Cathy came in with a necklace that was appraised at $800,000!
Still, āKarma can be a ābitchā?ā THANKS Hairtell for letting me āblow off some steam!ā I feel great having talked about this!
There is a difference between Karen Stathis and Josefa Reina.
Jossie like you, is a very bad businessman, so she does not charge to her ā10-hairs clientsā either.
Look on the bright side, the client who threatens to use tweezers knows that this kind of pressure only works if the electrologist empathizes with her problem. Probably, you were more concerned than her by finishing the job. 
Hello Josefa, I contacted you a couple of weeks ago on behalf of an electrologist who would like to get in touch and possibly be trained by you. Iām just wondering if you received my email and whether training is a possibility.
Sorry for hijacking this thread.
Stoppit, photos of forehead are very nice. The improvement of the skin is spectacular and worthy of sharing with everybody. Can I upload please?
Hi Dasha_saf, yes I read your email. Thank you. I would like to know your electrologist, according to your description she seems like a very nice person, but Iām afraid my English is not up to the circumstances.
Josefa, may I ask why the client cannot shave between treatments? I thought shaving was harmless in between the treatments. There is no way Iād be able to let my go with just trimming/bleaching and be seen in public, unfortunately.
Thank you for your reply, Josefa. That is really too bad, although Iām sure we could make it work somehow. It would benefit so many in Europe.
It looks as if she will have to visit Michael after all. That is, if he agrees to train/teach herā¦