Is it still really bad to pluck 3 or 4 chin hairs?

Having read many threads on this forum, I know about the risks of plucking, especially on the female face. But is it really that big a deal when we are talking about a small amount of hairs, such as 3 or 4 chin hairs that all grow out at different times (so only 1 or maybe 2 need plucking at once)? I don’t have much in the way of facial hair, but I do have a couple dark, thick hairs that grow out on my chin. I usually pluck them because it takes about 2 seconds and I don’t have to worry about it for weeks. I would really rather keep plucking, because if I shave I will have to do it way more often, and you can still see the dark spot under the skin. I would also rather not use delapitory creams because they are messy, and I don’t want to take the normal female peach fuzz off my chin.

So, is it still a big deal if I just pluck 1 or 2 chin hairs every couple weeks? I don’t really care if the hairs themselves grow back thicker, since I am plucking them anyway. But I don’t want more hairs to grow in the area as a result of plucking. I am on anti-androgens so hormonal stimulation should not be an issue once the meds take full effect. I know electrolysis would be a great solution for these hairs and I am sure I will get them done when I get electrolysis on other areas (sometime in the not-so-near future). But, in the meantime-- is plucking really a horrible idea?

I think it is okay for just a few hairs, but do seriously consider electrolysis when you are ready. It would really be no big deal or a huge effort. I would consider it being like what I do when I remove hairs from a facial mole. To describe this, it’s a couple to several short appointments spread out over a year to reflect the hair growth cycle of ALL the hairs that are really present inside the mole, but unfortunately those hairs do not show up at the same time. It would not be costly.

Thanks dfahey. I do plan to get electrolysis on many other areas once I have my hormones balanced and have enough money for it. I figure it would be a very simple matter to just have the electrologist hit a chin hair or two while they are doing other areas on my body. But, it will be some time before I can start electrolysis, so in the meantime I’m trying to find the best temporary method. I am glad to hear that you think that plucking a few hairs is ok.

It’s not that big of a deal for a couple hairs. Just keep in mind that for some people they may get more coarse with time and that every time you pluck, you’re sending the hair into a 2-4 month dormancy period. Which means that you’ll have to wait that long before it shows up again to get killed with electrolysis.

Thanks lagirl. I don’t really care if the hairs I am plucking get coarser, because I never plan to let them grow out, so it doesn’t matter much to me. As long as new hairs don’t get stimulated to grow, that’s fine. I do know about how plucking affects the hair cycles, and I will definitely take that into mind once I start electrolysis. But, I think it will be easy, since I plan to get electrolysis on other areas and maybe get the chin hairs treated as an afterthought, so I can just get them whenever they come up, in the course of my regular electrolysis. So I don’t think it will be as much of a problem as it would be if I was only getting electrolysis on those hairs.

One doesn’t know if the hair will get thicker, distorted, stimulate additional hairs or some combination of some or all of those possibilities (and then some).

That is why it is recommended that one get electrolysis on such a few hairs. The appointments would be short, and the total cost would be small. You might want to do some underarm hair, eyebrow hair, or leg hairs to get a little more done with the time.

Only thing about plucking facial hair (take it from me) is that if you have a lot of free testosterone floating around in your blood or you have follicles that are sensitive to testosterone, plucking will make the testosterone-rich blood rush to the follicle from which you just plucked and possibly cause a terminal hair, as was mentioned. So just keep that in mind and pull gently! (less trauma)

One or two terminal hairs, no biggie. You just don’t want those androgens affecting the follicles around the one you plucked, so don’t pluck too many. Else you’ll just end up with a face full!

CoffeeGal, do you think that could still be a problem if I am on drugs that block androgen receptors? Once my Spiro really kicks in, my hairs should stop being able to respond so well to testosterone. I am hoping that means that the blood rushing to the area poses less of a risk.

Technically, that is correct. As long as you don’t have a whole lot of androgen in your blood, it should work that way. Spiro doesn’t do as much for the free testosterone in the blood as it does for the receptors in the skin. So if you still have a bad hormone imbalance, think twice about doing too much plucking. Besides, if you’re going to go to an electrologist, let her/him zap it for ya! That doesn’t stimulate hair growth. Plucking does. Oh, if only I had known sooner!

This is my first post to the list. (And it’s rather long, too. I hope that’s OK.) I’ve been searching for a forum like this for a long time and I’m happy to find this.

I wanted to relate my own experiences about this. (A case of “Don’t do what I did!”)

Much like CoffeeGal, I also got into a lot of trouble with plucking. Had I known what I know now, I would have chosen to start electrolysis much earlier.

I’m a 53-year-old female and I’ve had a problem with excess body hair since I was 12 years old. By far the area that gives me the most problem, both physically and mentally, is my chin. I also have hair growth on my lip, but the hairs are lighter and finer there.

I started out with just a few stray hairs on my chin. This would have been in my early twenties. At the time, I was also getting my lip waxed every three months, and would have my eyebrows waxed about that often as well.

Those few hairs on my chin soon turned into six and then twelve. Before I knew it I was plucking two dozen. And then more.

I thought when I first started electrolysis that my chin area problem would be completely solved after a few sessions. That was not to be the case. (Not by a long shot.)

I’ve now been going to electrolysis for 17 years (once or twice a week). My problem is ten times worse than when I first started.

This is because I pluck in between electrolysis sessions. I just can’t stand to feel and see the dark hair bristles growing on my chin. I feel so self-conscious and just can’t face the world looking like that. (I also can’t bear to shave. I just can’t do it. It’s too much like what a man does, and I would feel like too much of a freak doing it. I also think it might make my problem worse, and I just don’t want to take the chance.)

My electrologist has suggested using nail scissors to trim down the hairs, so that I don’t have to pluck. I’ve tried that, but I can still feel all the little nubs and bumps and it still looks unsightly on my face.

In order not to pluck at all I would need to have electrolysis every 2-3 days like clockwork. (My electrologist is removing about 150 hairs a week. That’s when I’ve tried not to pluck as much in between.) It’s just not possible to go this often with my work schedule and family responsibilties.

My electrologist also goes on vacation with her family twice a year for two weeks. Consequently, I end up plucking even more then and my skin gets very damaged. (I pluck very closely and it sometimes tears the skin. I use very good tweezers made by Tweezerman.)

The effects of 17 years of electrolysis and constant plucking has resulted in my skin becoming permanently damaged under the chin. I have hyper-pigmentation, scars, pitting, bumps, scabs and open red sores at various times. I use make-up cover-up to deal with it as best as I can. (I don’t ever dunk my head when I go swimming now because it would wash away the cover-up on my chin and expose it.)

I try to keep my head down in public so people can’t see under my chin and I don’t like people getting too close to me in general in case they might notice it.

I have been to many specialists for my problem and have been diagnosed with IH (Idiopathic Hirsutism). The endocrinologist tested my hormone levels and they were “slightly elevated,” but not enough to make a diagnosis of PCOS. He thinks it’s most likely hereditary factors in my case (my grandmother on my father’s side of the family most definitely had this problem and a first cousin from that side of the family does, too), although hormones and excess weight (30 lbs.) most likely play a part in it as well. My mother and four sisters have also experienced problems with excess facial hair, but not nearly to the degree that I have.

I’ve been to an endocrinologist twice and a dermatologist three times about my facial hair problem. The only advice they could offer was to try and control the problem as best I could and that “there was no cure.” The dermatologist gave me a prescription for Vaniqa, but I find that it really doesn’t have any effect on me whatsoever. I was also prescribed Diane birth control pills prior to menopause, and those had absolutely no positive effect either.

I asked the endocrinologist what he thought of laser hair removal. He said that they “didn’t get good results” from their patients who tried it and he “wouldn’t recommend it.”

I asked if this meant that the hair eventually grew back and he said “yes.”

Even though I know that I shouldn’t pluck, I still end up doing it because I’m too self-conscious about the hair showing. My plan at the moment is to go to electrolysis twice a week and really try not to pluck in between sessions.

The only problem is that I’m also experiencing new hair growth. (Hair growth in areas where I didn’t have it before, such as my cheeks and on my neck.)This is another reason why I think I’ll always have this problem. Electrolysis gets rid of old hair, but there is new hair growing all the time.

I asked my endocrinologist point blank if I would have this problem the rest of my life and he said “yes.” This is what has got me really depressed lately. No matter what I try, I’m still going to have this problem the rest of my life.

I get even more depressed when I think of the future when I’m older and not able to look after the problem myself.

I picture myself being in a chronic care facility after having a stroke (or any other debilitating illness)and not being able to go to electrolysis or pluck. I would start growing a full beard within a week. I’ve already told my husband that he has to look after this for me. (My four sisters also know about this.)I suppose it’s at this point when I will finally be shaved, because there won’t be an alternative.

I also picture myself lying on my death bed and my grandchildren come to pay their last respects. I am slipping in and out of consciousness, but I’m alert when I hear one grandchild innocently ask, “Why is grandma growing a beard?” (I remember asking my own mother this when I saw my grandmother growing a beard on her death bed in the hospital. My mother told he it was a side-effect of my grandmother’s medication. Now I know the truth.

My advice to someone with a just a few chin hairs would be to get to the electrologist as soon as possible and not to pluck. I wish I had known this sooner myself.

Listen to me, Neily. You can get this done. What has been 17 years of electrolysis, should have been about 17 months. This takes the award for time to completion. If you were my client, you would be encouraged to get a first clearance FAST. I could do it in one long session and so could other electrologists with the right set up. I would send you home with a clearance and a huge roll of duct tape. Why the duct tape? You need to bind up your hands and STOP TWEEZING!! You cannot come close to completing electrolysis IF YOU TWEEZE! I’m surprised that your electrologist has not dismissed you. This reflects badly on her and her abilities to permanently remove hair. You are wasting your money, time and emotional investment when you tweeze. You are contributing to skin damage when you tweeze.

You have got to change your thinking on what it takes to hide your hair until a skilled electrologist can catch up with the amount of hair that keeps coming to the surface. Weekly appointments for 8-12 weeks will get you to the point where you will feel some relief. You have to clip or shave until a skilled electrologist can gain control over all the new waves of tweezed hairs that will come back above the surface. Obsessive-compulsive behavior of tweezing can be surmounted with a strong will to reach a goal. You must toughen up.

If an electrologist near you has a good set up with good vision aid, quality lighting and one of the better computerized epilators that does MicroFlash or PicoFlash thermolysis or, even a better form of Blend, then go to them and get a full clearance. They must use a probe that matches the diameter of the hair. A modernly equipped electrologist with skill is much tougher than those chin hairs and can handle this well for you. You may even get some hugs of encouragement along the way.

This can be accomplished much easier than you you think and you will have no worries of depending on husband and sisters to tweeze your facial hair if you can’t. The grandkids will have nothing to talk about in regard to your chin hair.

Even though you did not do this sooner in your life, there is no reason for not calling an end to your fears and secret of having a beard. Get this done properly and change your behavior when it comes to your tweezing habit. It if meant the very life of yourself or your family, you would do it. If someone said they would pay you $10,000,0000, you would do it.

Laser gives one incomplete results in this area, Vaniqa is useless, costly and inconvenient, tweezing is the hamster on a wheel strategy that takes you nowhere. Good electrolysis care will work, but STOP THE TWEEZING and ride this through for a bit with clipping of shaving whether you like it or not.

You can do this! Don’t look back- just go in the right direction and get this done.

Dee

Thanks for your good advice and support, Andrea. I know that I need to stop tweezing in order to gain maximum benefit from electrolysis.

I’m going again this Saturday, so I’ll try to restrain myself and try to use the nail scissors to trim down the hair in the meantime.

Shaving is still not an option. I just can’t bring myself to do it. (My electrologist, who was trained in Europe, actually has recommended against shaving. She prefers trimming the hair with nail scissors.)

Another big problem is that my husband and I travel about 8 weeks out of the year. (His career dictates this and I accompany him on his travels.) This means that I’m often away from home for up to 2 weeks at a time. During this time I have no access to electrolysis. This is when I find I pluck the most and get into a real mess with the skin under my chin. My electrologist also travels about 3 weeks out of the year and I’m at a loss for treatment then as well. I know a solution would be to shave, but I just can’t do it at the present time.

If I were ever to consider shaving, I suppose I’d consider an electric shaver first. (I just couldn’t use an open blade on my face.) Is there any brand of electric shaver that you’d recommend?

Another problem I have is that at my age many of the coarse hairs are now gray or pure white. I can’t see the hairs, but I can still feel them. (I pluck mainly by feel with these ones.)

I’d still like to know what happens with new hair growth. I’ve been experiencing new hair growth on my cheeks and neck. (Dark coarse hairs in areas where I had no noticeable problem before.) Even if electroloysis kills the old hair, doesn’t new hair just keep growing if your hormones, heredity and other factors dictate it? Isn’t this an endless cycle of new hair growth?

Thanks,

Neily

By the way, my name is Dee, not Andrea.

No one can force another to shave and you have free will to do it to not. Shaving or clipping is recommended and each electrologist has their own preference. They are both the same in as far as disguising the hair and both are much better than the violent act of ripping a hair out by tweezing. It’s a preference and one is not better than the other. Any woman’s brand of electric shaver will do if you want to keep this a feminine act. Any brand of men’s electric shaver will do id you don’t care. They all trim hair.

White hair can be eliminated with electrolysis. You just have to time it right and lay on the table. If life interrupts your electrolysis schedule, then so be it, but keep going when you are finished being with your husband or find an electrologist that can take over when your lady is out of town.

New hair growth needs to be treated when seen. If you are experiencing new growth, then accept it as part of your genetic blueprint if the doctors can’t find what is causing this and thus perhaps prescribe medication that may slow the activity of your follicles. Your diet and weight can play a role in causing hormonal imbalances and thus create a good environment for hair to thrive. You have to accept that electrolysis can treat the hair follicles that are a problem now and when new ones sprout forth a hair, it can get those as well. Pretty soon, you will run out of hair follicles that produce bothersome hairs if you have a competent electrologist.

If too many obstacles stand in your way and you can’t figure out how to surmount these obstacles, then electrolysis cannot work for you, as you have witnessed over the last 17 years. Tweezing and being available to lay on the electrolysis table equals no results.

DEE

So sorry I confused your name, Dee. I guess you can tell I’m new around here. :slight_smile: I don’t know why I thought you were named Andrea. lol!

Thank you for the additional good advice. I’ve copied everything and have printed it out.

I’m not at the point yet where I feel I can go ahead with shaving, although I would be interested to hear from others who tweezed heavily in the past and switched over to shaving (even though they might have been very reluctant to do so). Maybe it would help if I heard some “testimonials.” I’m actually quite “freaked out” about shaving. It’s not just a bit of queasiness.

I would also be really interested to hear from people who have actually have some success with chin hair. Does it ever truly disappear forever? Is that too much to ask?

In the meantime I’m really going to try not to pluck in between electrolysis sessions. That’s the most I think I can handle at the moment. It’s an improvement over what I was doing before.

I have found my condition worsened significantly once I entered my perimenopausal and then menopausal stage. This is when the new hair became more significant and when I gained some considerable weight (about 15 lbs., mostly in the stomach and hip areas). I do try to watch what I eat and I actually do have my 5 fruits and veggies every day.

I always thought if all else fails, I can make a really solid attempt with my excess hair problem once I retire. I won’t have to be out facing co-workers and the public so much and can be more of a recluse at home when the hairs are growing out. I wouldn’t mind being a recluse for 17 months. I know that might sound odd, but that’s how I feel I’d have to handle it.

I’ve seen other women on the subway and in grocery stores who obviously are growing out their hair in preparation for electrolysis or laser hair removal. You can see the little black nubs speckled under their chins and up the sides of their face. At this point in time I would just be way too self-conscious to walk around in public like that. I applaud them for their bravery,though, and I hope it’s working for them.

I have often thought the equivalent of a women having a beard is a man who is suffering from gynecomastia. It’s a very embarassing problem and something that the member of the opposite sex is supposed to have. (Like Mother Nature playing a nasty trick on you.) The big difference with men is that they can have surgery to get rid of the extra breast tissue. (Of course, there would be some scarring, but that’s a small price to pay.) Women with beards don’t have a magic one-shot operation like that. If only that were possible.

Thanks for letting me voice my concerns, worries and irrational thoughts. It does help me to write about them like this.

Neily

I really don’t think you have to become a recluse for 17 months…you can do it! Commit to NOT TWEEZING–throw the tweezers away! I know you said you don’t like the idea of shaving, but there are many good razors out there that you can do 1 or 2x a day and still feel neat. There is no reason to be ashamed

I went to electrolysis earlier today and got the full treatment (electrolysis on my chin, waxing of lip and eyebrows). I was good and didn’t do any plucking at all since my last appointment four days ago. I used nail scissors to trim the hair down. But I still had 70 chin hairs removed after four days of letting them grow out.

I’m really going to try not to pluck, but I’m still not able to take a razor or electric shaver to my face. (I do shave under my arms, as well as my legs and binkini area.) I’m going to try to use the nail scissors more religously now. In order to do this I’ve decided that going to electrolysis three times a week (instead of two times a week) would help me not to pluck. Next week I’m going to go on Monday, Thursday and Saturday and see how it goes with that plan.

Reading everyone’s posts about plucking has given me a new resolve to not pluck. That’s what got me into so much trouble in the first place.

Neily

That’s the spirit!

If I can poke fun at my friends here, Andrea is the tall blonde model type, and Dee is the cute short brunnette lady who bakes great chocolate chip cookies. Another way to tell them apart would be that while you would want Dee to perform your hair removal, you would only want a referral from Andrea :grin:

I want to look like Andrea.

Hi Neily,

I just started electrolysis treatments on my chin, and after many years of tweezing I’ve now put the tweezers down for good and switched to shaving. It is a really difficult thing to do, but I tell myself that I only have to go through this for about 1 year - which is nothing compared to how many years I’ve been putting up with the problem.

I use a womens electric shaver for under my chin, and a good quality mens razor for the front of it. The area under the chin is so sensitive, and the electric shaver is much kinder there. I shave every morning before work and make it through the day without any issues. The problem comes when trying to grow out the hair for my Saturday afternoon electrolysis appointment. What I do is shave the area lightly on Fri morning, then ask my boss if I can leave work early (for my own peace of mind). I then pretty much write-off Saturday and dedicate it to the appointment only - you won’t see me in the supermarket :slight_smile:

My electrologist is very happy with this process. It allows her to see all the hairs that are in the growing phase making my time with her much more worthwhile.

Your story about your grandmother growing hair out from her chin in hospital is exactly what I experienced with my grandmother recently. It is a very big factor in my decision to do something about this problem.

I know shaving is an absolute last resort for you, but if there ever comes a time when the nail sizzors aren’t doing the job (like when you’re away for a couple of weeks), don’t reach for the tweezers, reach for a shaver instead.