hi
ive been planning to go for a LHR but i want to know if it will help me.i would like a good reduction in my upper arms and shoulders.maybe to make the look more natural id like to treat even my forearms.do you think i can get that? am i a good candidate?
Please help with some advice.this hair really affected my behaviour.i feel bad when i go out with short sleeves.i used to go to gym a lot but now i dont.i dont feel comfortable.any advice will be appreciated.
Sorry, can’t see the picture.
Even without seeing the pictures, the upper arms and shoulders is one of the areas that are the most complained about areas for laser induced hair stimulation, so know this before going forward. At least you have been warned. We have no real way of knowing the percentages or how prevalent this is and can only go by the patterns of posters that come here (and on other forums) to complain about this.
You can move forward with good fluences, with a good laser like a Candela GentleLase or Yag, depending on your skin color and find a competent laser specialist. Maybe your chances for success will increase with these odds. If you become a victim of laser induced hair growth, just know that a highly skilled, modern electrologist who has re-trained on the newer computerized epilators that do microflash or picoflash thermolysis, can permanently solve the problem for you or, you can just start right off the bat with electrolysis, the fast kind only. There are electroloigists that can remove between 600-1,200 hairs per hour in an area like this. Don’t entertain the idea of going to someome that is working at a slow pace. You will become disenchanted and broke real fast.
Microflash thermolysis or PicoFlash thermolysis is what you are looking for. Several epilators offer the the first. Only two epilators offer the later. The latter is more comfortable. An electrologist that does not use a footswitch can really fly fast and thus, please you faster.
More information than you probably wanted, but those are your choices.
Dee
Please upload the pics to www.photobucket.com and post the HTML tags here. That link doesn’t work.
Also, remember that laser only works on dark coarse DENSE hair. If that’s not what you have on this area, you’re not a good candidate, especially since treating finer hair on this particular area is more prone to induced growth.
dfahey,
How would I find an electrologist who practices microflash/picoflash thermolysis? Do I have to call different electrologists and just ask if they practice this? Also are these methods, does the electrologist just put the needle into one hair follicle and the shock/heat kills the hairs in the vicinity or do they still need to treat each hair one by one?
Just call around and ask. If you hear comments like, “What’s that?” or “That doesn’t work!”, keep calling. Many electrologists are catching on and re-training themselves and are actually liking these modalities. People want the hair off fast and they want to keep it off until they are finished. These modalities work and people get completed within a year to year and a half if the electrologist is trained in the art and skills of electrolysis care…
It is oo
e hair follicle at a time, but many can remove hundreds and hundreds of hair per hour. The individual follicles are treated with enough energy and timing to permanently disable the hair follicle. Same old principles from 130 +++ years ago, but the only difference is using better tools and computerizationto do this in the 21st century.
Dee
this is the link to a photo.
this photo is not the best.it is more hair than it seems.
Thanks for the picture, tor. To me, this is not a big job. A first clearance for all the coarser hairs, with electrolysis can be obtained in about 2 hours or less. The thinner hairs would be excluded, but if you wanted to go further, then those next level of hairs could be thinned as well.
I am referring to using PIcoFlash or MicroFlash thermolysis with a large probe in auto sensor mode with the timer delay set well below a second, using one or two pulses per hair. A mouthful, I know, but that is how you gain speed and still get good kill rates as well. You need to stick to this to correspond to hair growth cycles. That means, you need to push forward for one to one and a half years.
I’m talking from the electrologist side of things. Maybe a laser specialist will offer their strategy.
Dee
There are two spots with dark coarse and dense enough hair for laser, but the rest has to be treated with electrolysis. So it may make sense to just do electrolysis from the start on it all. A good electrologists removes 5-10 hairs per minute easily, so it won’t take too long.
All electrolysis treats hair one by one. Some methods are just faster than others and some electrologists are faster than others. You also need to commit to coming in for about a year, consistently to kill all hair in all phases of growth. At first, you’ll be coming in every 2 weeks or so, but then it will slow down to every 3-4 weeks. You have to basically maintain a clearance on the area, i.e. go for as long of treatments as possible so that you leave with clear skin each time and come in every time as soon as you see new hair so it can be killed while it’s still weak and in the right phase.
ok my problem is this
i want to reduce hair in my upper arms. i mean a good reducment.
but if i do that i need to reduce even my forearm hair to make the look more natural.so will laser help me in my forearms.hair is coarse enough there.what i want is a more natural look.any idea!!
Electrolysis offers more precision and balance, since it treats INDIVIDUAL hairs one at a time. Take an area with twenty hair structures. You can direct the electrologist to remove the ten coarsest hair structures and then leave the rest. That’s one way to get a reduction.
You can also do laser, but be ready for the chance that your arms will end up looking patchy. If you happen to get patchy results, you can do more laser or you can even things out with the refining advantages of electrolysis.
Remember to keep the idea of finding an electrologist that has set her/him self up for doing the faster forms of electrolysis on top of your list. If you can’t find this, then work your way down to the better manual thermolysis or blend electrolgists.
Dee
It sounds like you need blending. Going with electrolysis from the start will probably best for you. Skip laser altogether. A good electrologist will work to blend everything. You’ll get a clearance of everything first and then will do touchups on anything new that pops up until you’re satisfied with the reduction.
do you mean there is a risk even for the forearm region to get more hairy after laser
Yes. Any area that doesn’t have very dense coarse hair like that on the underarm for example has a chance of induced growth. And the forearm is especially prone to this.
Ok, Sooo now what you’re saying is : If you don’t have hair on an area like what you have in your armpits, laser is useless? And makes things worse???
I really need to stop checking this site for updates
That’s not true, however it may be less useful.
The only area I’ve seen that can get worse (on rare cases) is the face.
I know most people here would tell you to be safe and go for electrolysis from the get go in those cases, but in my clinic we treat those too and people are happy with it.
Unless the hair isn’t dark or the person can’t handle a reasonable amount of joules used on them, we will treat them.
What I’m saying is that laser only works on coarse hair. There is a reason for it - because it disables the follicle with heat and the heat is transmitted ONLY to the dark pigment (that’s how hair removal lasers operate). Fine hair doesn’t have enough dark pigment to attract enough heat to disable the follicle permanently.
The fact that there are many clinics out there who will treat fine hair anyway doesn’t mean they’re getting their customers results on this type of hair. You can see this clearly by the number of threads here where people find this forum to figure out why they’re not seeing any results.
And induced hair can happen on other areas besides the face. This is a documented FACT btw. Do a Google search and read articles on it. It wasn’t a few years ago, but now there are studies showing that this can happen when treating fine hair with laser. The areas that seem to be affected most are women’s face and men’s back, shoulders, and upper arms.
I really wish that there were studies to confirm the percentage of consumers that get laser-induced hair growth from lasing their faces and other body parts. I see it in my electrolysis practice here and there and we certainly here many stories here on hairtell. Whether we can declare this a rare happening or not, can’t be established without some well conducted studies.
Dee
Yeah, unfortunately there are too many variables with so many different types of machines and variations in settings that can impact the outcome.
You have to understand that for me as a business, the last thing i want to cause people is induced hair. I don’t think that a clinic can stay in business for long based on lies.
After hundreds of clients we had so far, i think we only had one case of induced hair and it was on a woman’s face. That was with an IPL machine which we don’t use anymore for various reasons and ever since we switched her over to the Soprano XL she sees a big improvement, hopefully (crossing fingers) this machine will get the job done.