Help! Male with over 2 years of treatment

First of all, I’m beginning to resent the way you follow me around on this board, misrepresenting me, putting words in my mouth, and basically cyber-stalking me. Look, I don’t follow you around, please don’t do that to me. Leave it at that.

Now, trust me, I’ve been going to an electrologist longer than a month. Simply because I posted it here in that time frame means nothing. Do I really have to complain about you? Stop talking about my life, my experiences, and my graduate education. It’s annoying.

Mantaray

i don’t follow you around. i answer everyone’s questions and answering your posts just takes away from that time. check the board. i don’t pick and choose. that’s your approach. you pick the posts that support your personal theory and ignore those that refute it.

Thanks Mantaray.

How long did it take for your hair to grow back? Was it your beard? Was it patchy for months?

I had my last Comet treatment about five months ago. I saw some regrowth at about 2.5 months, but it seems to have stabilized. I had high settings AND with RF technology turned on, dont know how much difference that makes.

I feel you on the skin dangers. My skin is finally calming down with regards to laser induced acne and ingrowns. I still have a few spots of hypopigmentation that I’m hoping go away. I do think there has been some excellerated aging. Not turned into Tommy Lee Jones yet but definately more leathery skin.

It’s also annoying to hear someone with limited experience and research profess to be the ultimate speaker on hair removal.

It’s too bad both Mantaray and jimmyjames went to laser clinics that are more interested in money than client results. I and my wife were given offers by ALC and after researching the forums, discovered that this would have been a complete waste of money. I have not seen anywhere that the RF technology is anything more than a gimmick.

I think it would be more productive for you to give a warning to others that the type of laser you used and the clinics you went to should be considered with great skepticism. However, this does not allow you to give a blanket disapproval of all laser hair removal, where many others (including my wife and myself) have had good success. This is why you guys get the replies that annoy you.

It’s also annoying to hear someone with limited experience and research profess to be the ultimate speaker on hair removal.

It’s too bad both Mantaray and jimmyjames went to laser clinics that are more interested in money than client results. I and my wife were given offers by ALC and after researching the forums, discovered that this would have been a complete waste of money. I have not seen anywhere that the RF technology is anything more than a gimmick.

I think it would be more productive for you to give a warning to others that the type of laser you used and the clinics you went to should be considered with great skepticism. However, this does not allow you to give a blanket disapproval of all laser hair removal, where many others (including my wife and myself) have had good success. This is why you guys get the replies that annoy you.

Well said!

RJC2001

How long did it take for your hair to grow back? Was it your beard? Was it patchy for months?

It grew back just as if it were plucked. With the usual time interval forthe hair to regenerate. If you notice 2.5 months, 10 weeks, is a typical hair regeneration interval. On me, it was all over general body areas, much less difficult than the beard area, yet it was still ineffective. This was at a very high power for the diode laser component. People should remember that a diode laser doesn’t vary much no matter what type of brand is on the label, and my settings were high. As for the RF component, it is used in many medical proceedures (somnoplasty, etc.) with proven results. On the Comet there is a component and an RF component. Even if the RF component entirely fails, the laser component is still like any other diode laser, and should live up to it’s claims. To these others, I can just ignore such conjecture because I know the facts.

What basically happened was: The laser super-heated the follical, the follical’s own hair-anchoring tissues became ‘denatured’, or destroyed to an extent, then the hair fell out (shedding). Many go through what you describe, as I did. They think they have permanently lost the hair, then become very disappointed when it grows back. I don’t consider myself an expert, I just bring, hard, concrete knowledge to this board.

Mantaray

I want to comment on patchy hair removal on the male face; I have had 5 treatments (from 12 to 16 weeks apart) on my 43-yo guy-face to remove full beard. I was warned that the male face would experience patchy hair removal and have experienced same.

My salon uses an alexandrite with high enough power to HURT and leave me swollen, but not burned for a day. Each treatment has resulted in full clearance of several irregular areas, which have not regrown ANY dark hair (noted after 3+ months)! My chin is now the primary remaining area to reduce; but I have a few small nickel-sized spots as well. It is annoying since it forces me to shave more often, but I write this to let others know that this is not uncommon and it is getting better each time. I certainly hope/expect that I can reach an even-reduction soon (in 4 more treatments?), which may be 95% eliminated (since the cleared areas are very good). Then, on to electrolysis to add final touches!

So, be prepared for this strange result, keep at it, and let us know your results! I don’t know how much age is a factor (I have a bit of testosterone still in my veins <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />), but youth may make the regrowth stronger, eh?

PS. I have the same laser & salon working below the neck and the reduction is very different. It is always even and a reduced % grows back across the entire zone; that is, no patches. I do not suspect, therefore, a failure by the tech to cover all the skin.

for anyone interested, please read gdubber2002’s experience in “My First Comet Treatment/Dr Ross treatment” thread. now that he’s had a LightSheer and Palomar IPL treatments done by a renown laser doctor in San Diego after the Comet, he compares the treatments and it is already obvious the Comet is not as powerful and effective as the LightSheer diode.

for anyone interested, please read gdubber2002’s experience in “My First Comet Treatment/Dr Ross treatment” thread. now that he’s had a LightSheer and Palomar IPL treatments done by a renown laser doctor in San Diego after the Comet, he compares the treatments and it is already obvious the Comet is not as powerful and effective as the LightSheer diode.

Click the link in my signature, and go to pg. 2

gdubber2002

I only had two diode treatments so that might also account for my increased regrowth. I read that repeat procedures are more effective than higher settings in terms of reducing regrowth. I also had the comet and used ALC neither of which have good reviews on here.

I’m very upset that I have to shave MORE OFTEN now to avoid looking like an oddity. It bothers me so much I’m looking into a beard transplant–not to replace the hair, but to make the stubble look somewhat normal. I guess I should just wait a couple years and see what grows back.?

here is an interesting post on the subject by an MD who owns a chain of clinics in Texas and has been doing this (including some studies himself) for almost 10 years (since lasers first surfaced)

"jim1976 wrote:
I have 3 patches on my left shoulder that now have 50% more hair than the rest of my back, before the patch tests I had equal growth all over. explain that ! I can supply picks to prove.

Very simple to explain. And very easy to prove with hair counts. Pictures not required.

All the hair you are ever going to have is present at birth, but most of that hair is in a dormant stage. It is there but just not growing. It is well known that certain things can stimulate dormant hair to grow. Things like hormonal change, age (which is probably related to hormonal changes), and a host of other issues such as chemical burns and reactions to noxious stimuli.

So you come in for laser hair removal to treat an area that has 50 hairs. But there may be 300 hairs that are dormant. The laser hopefully kills all the hairs and shocks the other hairs into dormancy. This is why there is a period when there is no hair growing (it doesn’t always happen but is what is expected). Then after a period of time, the next crop of hairs start growing. But the energy in the laser can also stimulate hairs that would otherwise be dormant to also start growing.

So instead of having just fifty hairs growing, there may be a hundred. What does it mean, nothing. Other than it helps to make the laser hair removal more effective because now there are more active hairs growing that can be targeted and killed if the settings and the laser are effective.

This experience tends to go away after treatment number three or four, when a significant proportion of the hair is destroyed. But it can look weird and be unnerving in the beginning."

You can find this post here:

http://cosmeticenhancementsforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20285&highlight=#20285

It seems that of all the male beards that got done on here, all experience hair loss with LHR.

The main issue seems to be permanence and evenness of the hair loss.

Isn’t anyone 2+ years since the last treatment?

maleface, it’s rare to find someone at all who is done with their treatments and happy on these forums. if someone is done and happy, they have no reason to find forums to post on. the people that are here are those who either used the forum before starting treatments to educate themselves and come back to “give back” or those who had issues that they’re trying to resolve.

JimmyJames,

If you want to regrow face hair you might try Retin-A. I used it for acne for years. Then in my online research I saw it can stimulate hair growth. Maybe that’s one reason why I’m so heavily bearded now? Just a thought.

here’s a post from another forum today from a male who’s had 7 GentleLASE treatments with good results on his face (i believe he’s taking Diane 35 - transexual):

angel

Joined: 19 Apr 2005
Posts: 34
Location: uk
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject:


Ive had 7 treatments LHR (gentlase) on my face by SK:N (lasercare) last year & have had great results. i still have to shave every few days on a small patch on my chin that has a few light/blond/grey (take your pick!) hairs, otherwise NO hair at all on the rest of my face or neck.
can highly recomend them. They have clinics all over UK.
Cost was about £600 in total.
(male, over 39!)

You can find it here:

http://www.cosmeticenhancementsforum.com…6a3864db22dd6ca

Hi:

This last posting sounds too good to be true.
It certainly wasn’t my experience. I needed over
120 hours of electrolysis following 9 laser treatments.
I still had a lot of dark hair coming back after the laser.

Alicia

Sorry for the delay - I had to do some research and have been busy so it took me some time.

I underwent 9 rounds with the Light sheer diode - Pulse Width lightsheer auto setting; started at 38 joules and worked up to 45

Setting: A (pulse) - 45 (fluence/joules) mostly

Additionally, we tried 1-2 rounds w/ 1064 ND Yag on parts of my body and that didn’t seem effective.

I then did 2-3 rounds w/ a machine that I’m still trying to get more info on. It had a cryogen spray that blasted my skin so that it numbed it, without needing tetrocaine or lydocaine, etc (ie numbing cream).

I have heard that there are new technologies that might be better - specific allly, the Pro Wave 300, or some similar name manufactured by Cutera.

It’s got an Intense pulse light - not laser. There’s also a Palomar, but I haven’t heard good or bad.

Anyone have thoughts? Perhaps I’m just one of the few that these machines won’t work on.

Meanwhile, electorlysis is working fine - it’s just slow and time consuming. but hey, it’s working, and it’s not taking years upon years, so there is light at the end of the tunnel…

Thanks.

the laser with cryogen is probably GentleLASE alex.

Anyone have any advice, or thoughts on those machines?

I did a helluva lot of treatments, to not much effect.

I’m open to suggestions.

Thanks again.

alex and diode lasers at high settings work best.