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#21

Further to my last point, there’s very simple reasons why in general laser “doesn’t work”:

  1. Clinics realize that using lower settings means customers come back for more treatments, meaning more $$$ for them.

  2. Not all clinics are shady, but they also know that using too high settings on someone and burning them, means they are out of business, so they use lower settings.

  3. Why spend $100k on a GentleLASE which gives AMAZING results to only a third or so of the population when they can buy an IPL and give so so results to everyone plus do other skin treatments, or a Yag and give average results to everyone?

  4. People don’t like pain, and same as point 2, if it really hurts, most people are going to say so, meaning the settings get lowered. People don’t let their skin be the judge of the settings, but instead their pain threshold.

  5. Electrolysis is a practice, which requires lots of training to do it properly. Anyone can pick up a laser and start firing away, so you have no idea the level of experience the person treating you has.

#22

Sorry I don’t really understand what your first few sentences mean. You’re expressing hatred by saying laser doesn’t work, flat out, when it clearly does. So expressing your opinion based on what you believe and not scientific fact is hatred to me.

I also never said that electrolysis is not for large areas, of course it is. What I SAID was that who would want to spend hours and hours on a table being treated one hair at a time, when you can be done in 30 minutes with a laser. It’s about efficiency.

#23

Hi:

I have had my entire facial hair (male type beard removed),
first with laser, but finishing with electrolysis.

The reason for having it done was because I am a transsexual,
just like the founder of this board.

I also had laser done on my hands and arms, which was also only partially successful.

I am getting electrolysis done on my breasts and stomach since
I trust its effectiveness and its important to me that those areas be cleared. Yes and it is working quite well thank you.

Alicia

#24

Edokid:

And what I have said is that:

I never said that the laser does NOT work.
That hate is a product of your imagination.

I speak of efficiency. Speed, TO ENSURE success.

I’ll be patient again and I’ll forget your comment about the reliability of my evidence, OK?

#25

You just said in the very first post that laser temporarily cleans the area. How is that not saying that laser doesn’t work? Laser is just as permanent as electrolysis so you’re contradicting yourself.

#26

Hi Alicia:

I have the fortune to meet fund cases like yours. And believe me, when I speak to feel like a God, it is only because Electrolysis help us correct the errors He/She makes in people.

Kisses

Josefa.

#27

Obviously I was referring to this case (arm).
You like me know that in this arm any laser would destroy those hairs in the first session. However, if you bother to enlarge the photo you will see in the treated area, have gone 95% of the hairs with a single session. If you look closely you’ll notice that the two hairs are bald. If you look a little better, you’ll see that the hairs are of a size smaller than those in the untreated area. If you look back, you will see are telogen hairs, indicating that three months have elapsed. Time for these hairs reach the resting stage (telogen phase). If you keep looking, you’ll see that the follicles have been treated completely healed, indicating that there is no future hair black spots. If my friend, it is EFFICIENT

#28

Sorry I honestly don’t understand you at all. What does 95% of hairs being gone after 1 treatment have to do with anything? 95-100% of hairs will be gone after 1 laser treatment as well, as it causes all hairs to shed. You said in your first post that laser temporarily cleans the area which is what started this whole discussion as laser is not permanent. Who cares how long it is after 1 session in your photo? We all know that electrolysis is permanent, we’re having this discussion because we’re telling you that laser is as well on the proper hair types, and that the area cleared in those photos would have taken 30 seconds with a laser. The fact of the matter is that if you had 1 laser session on that area, and then had 1 electrolysis session in the same area on the other arm, in 6 months they would look the same. The difference is after 5 or 6 sessions the electrolysis side will be 100% hair free where the laser side more like 95% since it obviously can’t get fine or blonde hairs which everyone has. The point is that after those 5 or 6 sessions, (using the photo area above as an example) you would have invested a whole 5 minutes to clear that section, versus how many hours with electrolysis.

#29

“No, you cannot remove 95% of the hair on any area with only one treatment. It doesn’t matter whether it’s laser or electrolysis…”

Well, try to simplify. Is not it?

Those two bald spots on the arm are the result of the first and only meeting of Electrolysis.
45 min were used.
783 were treated hair.
The picture was taken 3 months later.

Any laser in this case, have obtained temporary results (first session)

The results obtained Electrolysis permanent (first session)

It is sufficiently clear?

#30

Yes, it’s sufficiently clear that you are wrong! You just said it again that laser is temporary which is not correct. Laser is just as permanent as electrolysis, so I’m not going to argue with you if you insist on being stubborn and acting like you know something you don’t. Just ask LAGirl, she’s been hair free for years, so not sure what you consider permanent.

Unless your English is just off and what you’re trying to say is that after 1 session with laser that hair will return requiring multiple sessions, then okay that makes sense. However, electrolysis is the same, you can’t have full clearance after only 1 session because hair grows in stages.

#31

The photo doesn’t prove anything about permanency or anything else really which I spoke about above. Did you see edokid’s photos? I provided you a link above. I have a photo of my underarm after 5 laser treatments right here on the forum. That proves a lot more than your photo since it’s MY underarm and I’m a consumer. There is no question about the validity of it, or how I got that result.

Once again, you can refuse to learn abotu laser. That’s your choice. BUT I hope you understand that you will constantly be contracted with evidence here.

Electrolysis is for any skin and hair. What is constantly repeated is that laser is FASTER and MORE EFFICIENT than electrolysis on COARSE DENSE HAIR.

ANSWER ONE QUESTION: If laser is temporary, then why have I had no hair on the areas I had treated in over 3 years? Where is it?

#32

No, this isn’t clear. What you don’t seem to understand is that laser does the exact same thing as electrolysis, i.e. it heats up the follicles and disables them permanently. If laser treated those spots instead of electrolysis, there would be the same result. On what basis do you say that the result would be any different? Did you personally treat anyone with a laser?

#33

Edokid:
My English is Zero, is something I am trying to solve.If you know Spanish, we will communicate better.
But this time I have understood correctly.
In the first session, the laser is temporary because most of the hairs grow back (in the arm).
The Electrolysis can treat any existing hair in the area except those that are shedding phase. In this case(arm) less than 5%, so the success is 95%.

#34

LAgirl, what part of: I NEVER said “THE LASER DOES NOT WORK”
you do not understand?

LAgirl, qué parte de: YO NUNCA HE DICHO QUE EL LÁSER NO FUNCIONA, tú no entiendes?

LAgirl, quelle partie de: Je n’ai jamais dit “LE LASER NE FONCTIONNE PAS”
vous ne comprenez pas?

LAgirl, wat deel uitmaakt van: Ik heb nooit gezegd “een laser werkt niet”
je begrijpt het niet?

LAgirl, welcher Teil: Ich habe nie gesagt “Der Laser funktioniert nicht”
Sie verstehen nicht?

Why the assurance of a consumer is more valuable than a professional?
Who can guarantee to me that this consumer is not being sponsored by one or more clinics?

It’s hard for someone accused of being interested, but harder to be condemned without proof.

#35

This is false. You are the one who is not understanding or refuse to. During the treatment, laser does THE EXACT SAME THING to the hair as electrolysis. It works the exact same way - the concept is the same. It heats up the follicle and disables it. There is no difference, except that the laser treatment is a lot faster because it doesn’t treat one hair at a time.

Can you please explain why you think the “hairs grow back” after laser and not after electrolysis? That’s the main problem with your reasoning and where you are wrong. Can you explain how laser produces permanent results if it all the hair grows back after each treatment? How did I get to a point of no hair after 6 treatments if everything “grew back” after each treatment? And how are you coming to this conclusion? As far as I can tell, you have never had any laser treatments.

Your accusations are completely baseless. You’re new on this forum. I’m not. I was a consumer who had no treatments when I first started posting here, which was 5 years ago. Now, I have many laser and electrolysis treatments under my belt and my story is here for everyone to read, at the link below. Not to mention, I have since met several top contributors on this forum in person. I’m not anonymous like you. There is no question about my intentions. Who specifically would support me here to provide unbiased information on BOTH laser and electrolysis? Where is such an organization? I would love to get paid for this.

On the other hand, you are an electrologist and are here bashing laser. You have a clear bias and motive.

#36

Well, I have no problem revealing my identity. But then you accuse me of advertising. Moreover, not desire.
I told you once that my schedule is overbooking.
However many laser clinics in my city have requested from me a promotion in exchange for a percentage of benefits.
Yes, LAgirl, that’s how this business works. I recommend a clinic and they pay me. It is clear that my professional ethics and I have earned fame by dint of hard work is NOT FOR SALE. Because there is no money in the world can afford.

I am new to this forum. But there are people here who can attest to my dedication and who know me personally. I have been consistent in my comments. But you add things that I did not say.
I’m sure you would have rejected that as a candidate for laser arm.

#37

You didn’t answer any of my questions related to your previous post.

#38

Well,

The first question is:

Can you please explain why you think the “hairs grow back” after laser and not after electrolysis?

Is clear that in this arm 80% of the follicles are in telogen phase. Lack of chromophore. Therefore not impact the light energy in the follicle.The first session would fail 80% + 5% shedding hairs: Total failure in the first session 85%.

Electrolysis results are shown in the photo. But if you want I’ll tell you again. All the hairs that were in that arm were successfully treated at the first session.
Regardless of the phases of each hair. Of course missing some hairs, which days before had fallen by the natural moves (5%).

Second question:
Can you explain how laser produces permanent results if it all the hair grows back after each treatment?

I said that all the hairs grow back after each treatment?
NO, I said that in the first session again receive the 85%. I have not mentioned the 12 or 16 sessions that would follow the first. OK?

Third question:

How did I get to a point of no hair after 6 treatments if everything “grew back” after each treatment?

I remember that on occasion you said that every 2 or 3 weeks were going to your electrologist and took the occasion to remove a couple of hairs armpits. right? it shows that your underarms are still producing hairs. If your electrologist works well, those 2 hairs are not always the same. Your armpit hair is still producing. Hairs have been failure of the laser.

Here are the answers to your questions. Thanks

#39

The electrologist call these cases 100% EFFICIENCY

#40

Hi Josefa:

Thank you very much.

I really do appreciate the efforts of people like yourself and my own electrologist who have the decency to treat us as human beings and actually care about us enough to know what we are all about as well as how vitally important this is to us.

Alicia