“… Finishing with electrolysis? i did, but laser is still better because its faster…”
Hi Butterfly,
Allow me a small clarification.
Any laser is slower in getting results than Electrolysis.
Maybe you’ve wanted to say that the laser (temporarily) cleans the area faster?
Tell me what laser can achieve these results in a single pass.
what i meant is that it is faster because you can do large areas in quite a small amount of time, with electrolysis u need to sit for a long time to do a large area…and correct me if i am wrong. but if you would do the same piece of arm with laser and electrolysis, then you cannot say that more hairs are gone for ever by using either one of them…right? it depends on the stage the hair is in.
Depila, I would highly recommend for you to experience laser for yourself. Your comments on laser are completely unfounded.
Laser DOES remove the hair PERMANENTLY. And it DOES produce results in “one pass” as you put it. Getting one clearance with electrolysis is equivalent to getting one laser treatment. The difference is that it takes hours to get that first electrolysis clearance on most areas like the one in the photo you posted, and it only takes minutes with laser.
This photo was taken 3 months after the single session of Electrolysis.
We all know what would have happened 3 months after a laser session.
And yes, the client needs to spend more time lying on the table. But you need fewer visits to the clinic and less total time to remove all his hair. If you want evidence that you have no say.
For me will be happy to provide such evidence.
And no, the phase of the hair is indifferent to the Electrolysis is effective. Contrary to what happens with the laser.
LAgirl, why not ask me how long I’ve invested in making these two portions of arm?
What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. If you treated that hair with electrolysis in one session, then 3 months later you would see that area covered with NEW hair from the NEXT phase of growth. Hair growth phases don’t change based on the method of hair removal.
I don’t know what you mean by “we all know what happens with laser”. I’ve had BOTH laser and electrolysis done successfully. I speak from experience of BOTH. What I know is that laser works great on coarse dense hair and is permanent.
If you’re comparing bad laser treatments to good electrolysis treatments (this is typical of electrologists against laser), you’re being completely biased and unfair. That’s usually the problem with electrologists who refuse to understand laser and its benefits. If I only discussed bad electrolysis treatments, I can make a case that electrolysis doesn’t work either.
You obviously don’t understand how laser works if you think you need “fewer visits to the clinic and less total time to remove all this hair” with electrolysis. That is a completely false statement.
Electrolysis removes at MOST 5-10 hairs per minute. Laser treats an ENTIRE bikini line in 10 minutes. How long does it take for you to completely clear a bikini line? How can you say that it takes less time with electrolysis? This is completely false.
And laser treatments are ONLY needed ONCE EVERY 8-12 WEEKS. Electrolysis treatments are necessary once every 2-3 weeks when you first start to make sure to kill hair when it first comes out when it’s weak.
For example, I had my bikini treated with laser. I had 6 treatments spaced 2 months apart. Each treatment took 10 minutes and I was hairfree for 4+ weeks after each treatment since all the treated hair sheds. After 6 treatments and a TOTAL time on the table of 1 hour over the course of 12 months, I had 95%+ removal. This was 3 years ago. How can you say that even compares to electrolysis?
I love electrolysis and got many areas done with it on the hair that laser cannot target (i.e. finer hair). I have nothing, but great things to say about it. But I would never choose it over laser for any area with dark coarse dense hair. It doesn’t make sense in terms of either time or money spent. Period.
It’s really upsetting to me that some electrologists refuse to understand and accept facts about laser. Some electrologists like Dee understand laser and know what wonders it can do for their clients. The rest really should get on board if they don’t want to be perceived as unnecessarily biased. You shouldn’t be so afraid of another method being better (on the wallet and time) in certain situations and types of hair if you’re truly concerned for your clients.
Clearly, estimated LAgirl, you and I will never agree.
The Electrolysis of which I am talking about is different from what you describe.
Hopefully Michael Bono, the promise that has made me write a future book. In this case this discussion would not take place.
A big hug.
Josefa
It’s not about agreeing. It’s about you refusing to understand laser and CHOOSING to be biased based on your lack of knowledge.
This isn’t helping consumers on this forum. This is supposed to be an unbiased forum where consumers can come to sift through all the biased information they already get from electrologists like you and lying laser providers too.
If you’re not willing to learn and accept basic facts about laser, I would like you to ask to refrain from posting negative information about it which is completely false. It’s really tiring for me to have to retype the same FACTS about laser to contradict your unfounded claims. If you choose to be blind to facts about laser and its benefits, that’s fine and your choice. But don’t come to the laser forum and start posting completely false comments about it to spread your bias to unsuspecting consumers. It’s not going to work on this forum. Consumers already know better from all the information we’ve worked hard to provide over the past 5 years.
Btw, is everyone who’s gotten great results from laser on this forum lying? What’s your explanation for it?
What about Bono’s book? No one is disputing that electrolysis works. Also, no one is disputing that laser doesn’t (only you and other biased electrologists). Bono’s book is not going to change the fact that I and many others got great results from laser.
I agree with LAGirl entirely on this. Hair grows in cycles, so it doesn’t matter what method is used, laser, electrolysis, not all hair is growing at the same time. Even 50 years in the future if there’s a device that blasts your body in one shot and all the hair is gone, hair still grows in cycles and will continue to do so, it has nothing to do with the technology but with how your body works.
You’re misleading consumers when you say laser doesn’t work permanently and that electrolysis is faster. The only true thing about that statement is that electrolysis will give someone 100% hair reduction but you really have to ask yourself what you’re trying to accomplish. Laser will get close results, if you’re an ideal candidate for laser. So many people say it doesn’t work, then they say “yeah I have blonde hairs they’re fine” etc etc, or they used IPL.
Again it really depends on your goals. Take myself for example, not very hairy at all for a guy. Hairy legs of course, under arms, face, forearms, but chest and front is smooth except for my abdomen. Of all those areas, the only place I disliked was my abdomen because I prefer the look of a smooth stomach. Did it bug me enough to go and sit through hours of electrolysis? Definitely not, even if it was really cheap. The thing that caught my eye with laser is the fact that the same treatment takes a whole 5 minutes. Having said that, I also do my face now, forearms, underarms, etc. Why? Because it’s SO fast and easy with laser so I do it for the convenience. There’s no way in hell I’d treat my face with electrolysis, aside from finishing up with it on the hairs the laser couldn’t treat.
Take a look in the forum for my before and after pictures on my forearms, with laser. 3 treatments total in those photos, at maybe 30 minutes per session, which is from finger tips to and including elbows. You can’t even possibly say that you could achieve the same/better results with electrolysis in less time.
To me it just sounds like you’re an electrolysis provider and are being threatened by laser and need to bad mouth it to keep business. A smart consumer realizes though that each has their pro and cons and it depends on what the end result is that you want.
Here is edokid’s thread with photos for you, Josefa: http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/71718/Re_Forearms_before_and_after_w.html#Post71718
LAgirl, it is fortunate that I’m on holiday at Holy Week and I do not like large crowds.
I do not know if there is another way to provide reliable information on Electrolysis, that of having practiced it for about 3 decades. If you know otherwise, I beg you do me know.
If I decided to participate in this topic, it is because the comment Butterfly is, let´s say … inaccurate?
If you’re tired of explaining the same things. Then there is one thing that we agree. I too am tired of reading the lies that are written on the Electrolysis.
All my claims can be substantiated.
Now I would like to ask a question, how would I benefit from participating in a forum where most users live in other countries?
If my interest was not purely altruistic, I participate in a Spanish forum, right?
I am delighted to see the success of people like Butterfly, but the joy is proportional to the sadness that makes me see the failures, either Laser or Electrolysis. Especially when the source of the money invested does not come from the pockets of parents.
My friends say I’m fairly tolerant, but I’m very patient. So the weather can give me the reason.
Josefa
Hi:
From what you’ve posted here, it sounds as if you’ve had only a few sessions on your face.
Do you think laser will successfully remove all of your facial hair?
The only way to find out is to have as many sessions as you think it will take and then wait
to see what grows back.
Just from personal experience with laser it was only partially successful on facial hair
and I needed a lot more than just partial removal. Even after 9-10 laser sessions I still needed a lot of electrolysis, and still had dark hair regrowth. For the record we used a lightsheer.
Edokid,
so difficult to understand that a body part with the hair prior to any temporary system, HAS MORE THAN 95% OF THIS HAIR. That 95% can be treated successfully in the first clearance and that success is proportional to the hair treated, ie, it can reach 95% at one time?
We provide realistic expectations here for both laser and electrolysis. We are completely unbiased.
There are no lies about electrolysis on this forum. We work hard to be unbiased and it’s insulting that you would suggest that we’re not. I already mentioned 3 times to you that I had many areas done with electrolysis, by choice, and very successfully.
Buttefly’s comment was not incorrect. It takes a lot more HOURS to get the same results with electrolysis compared to laser. There is a FACT. I don’t know why you found it offensive or inaccurate. It is completely accurate in terms of hours on the table.
Alicia, your settings on LightSheer weren’t optimal and you still got a reduction from laser. With better settings, you would have gotten even more out of it. I don’t know if the hair you had left was coarse or not, but we all know and constantly repeat that laser works only on coarse hair.
You obviously haven’t read much of the laser portion of this forum if you don’t realize how often we recommend consumers to go to electrolysis instead if they don’t have the right hair type for laser.
No, you cannot remove 95% of the hair on any area with only one treatment. It doesn’t matter whether it’s laser or electrolysis. I assume you understand how hair growth works and that there are cycles involved, which means any hair removal to remove (i.e. kill for good) that much hair would have to be spread over 9+ months.
The difference that you don’t seem to understand is that it takes 20+ hours to remove the same amount of hair it takes 1 hour to remove with laser to achieve 95% removal.
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I was never saying that I claim laser to work based on the results on my face, I simply mentioned my face because I said I only am doing it because laser is so easy and quick otherwise I’d never be doing electrolysis on it.
I’m basing how well laser works on other factors, other areas of my body that it has worked on and others results on here. I’ve had 3 sessions on my face and about a 20% reduction so far which is clearly evident when looking at my face.
To butterfly, not sure what you’re talking about with 95% of hair is treated in 1 session, only around 30% of hair is actively growing at one time. I think the point that you’re missing though is as I said, my face takes around 20 minutes. I can be at work, leave on my lunch hour, go to my session, be treated and have time to get food on my way back and be gone less than 1 hour. I don’t have to repeat that process for 2 months.
People who do laser have a respect for electrolysis, and understand that it works, yet we do laser for different reasons (speed being probably the biggest one). Yet for a lot of people that do electrolysis, they seem to have some big hate on for laser. I can’t really blame them though, if I had blonde hair and the only way to remove it was with hours of electrolysis, where my dark haired friend could do the same in 1 hour, I’d probably hate it too!
Hi:
I’m not sure what the settings were, but I’ll have to ask if she still has a record of it.
What you are saying in effect is that laser won’t remove all facial hair if its a mixture of
course and fine. Also it won’t work on any that are less than dark.
Truthfully I don’t know of anyone with male type facial hair who had 100 percent effectiveness with laser in the long term. If it was that effective then E-3000 would not be in business.
I’m not denying it helped reduce the amount of facial hair that needed to be finished with electrolysis.
Alicia
The question you should be asking is not how many males you know got results from laser, but how many males you know who got great treatments with a good machine, great 90%+ shedding each time, and effective settings who didn’t get results from it. That’s the part that always gets left out. You can’t say laser worked or it didn’t if you don’t have the rest of this important information. If the right factors weren’t present and the right things weren’t used, why would it work? That’s like saying that electrolysis doesn’t work if you only knew someone who was treated by a bad electrologist. You can’t judge whether something works or doesn’t if you don’t know whether they got good treatments.
What I’m saying is that laser will kill all coarse hair. It can’t remove 100% of the hair on any area because after a set of treatments, you’ll only be left with sparse fine hair, which laser won’t be able to target. But you can remove 100% of the coarse hair. On areas like bikini and underarms, 95%+ reduction with laser is common because most of the hair is coarse.
Well, it seems we’ll have to prove who is more wrong. If you or me. Photobucket help.
(I opened this thread not to interfere with that of Meow, but never thought I would give so much work.)
Pictures don’t prove anything, they could be from any time period so that doesn’t help anything. The only one who’s wrong is depilacionelectr.
Either way, hair on a males face is no different than anywhere else, except that there’s more of it than say on the underarms. If anything and in general, male facial hair is very coarse and dark, so the ideal for laser. So there’s really no reason that it would work any differently than anywhere else, it should be just as effective.
Further to what LAGirl wrote as well, there’s not that many guys that have done full facial hair removal for one thing. Second, from seeing guys on this forum that do face, most seem to be using bad machines. I remember one person using IPL for awhile, and then Murach using the Sciton laser, whatever that one is. There’s not many on here that are skin type 1-3 with ideal hair, having been treated with an alex laser. I’m type 3, 3.5 sessions with alexandrite, having around 90% shedding each time (which is amazing not having to shave for over a month) and then 1 last session with apogee yag. The fact of the matter is that there’s just not that many guys that do full beard removal. Even my friends think I’m crazy!
Edokid, I challenge you to find a single comment that my words reflect hatred toward something or someone (IN ENGLISH OR SPANISH).
If the laser professionals advocate Electrolysis is because the technique has earned that privilege.
Does not seem fair for someone to say that Electrolysis is not for large areas of skin. Simply this is FALSE. The Electrolysis is valid for the entire body. How people want to spend your time, it’s personal, right?
