Electrolysis pitting on upper lip

hello I did electrolysis (thermolysis) on my upper lip 3 months ago, I had a lot of scabs, now it’s been three months and I have holes in every place where I had scabs , this session was much more painful than usual and the intensity was higher, I need some advice , do you think the pitting is permanent here? or is it going to heal , and what product can i use?
The two first picture are 1 days after
And the last is now



Please following the below links to see how other people heal. These are normally healing:
https://www.hairbusted.com/electrolysiscase-studies.html?fbclid=IwAR38Nhcl4SlgJlV1Z4vQ1KeW5LV1BbnoM2aN9zYKR6LlNjDNmvQEr6WJWAU

Examples of overtreated:

Okay so this is not normal healing ? I shouldn’t get pitting ?

Please is it going to heal ? And what product can i use to help ??

You dont need to use any product. This is temporary and will resolve on it’s own.Please try to be patient and give our volunteers a chance to treat their clients for the day. We will get time to answer your questions, but it isnt immediate.

okay i’m sorry but i don’t understand ,when i look at other posts you say that a normal reaction should be very small scabs or just redness and swelling ,especially for hairs as small as mine and on upper lip but no scab like this ,and no pitting and now its been 3 months and i have hole instead of scabs so how can this just be normal healing??

As I told you in our personal emails, it’s worrisome then scabs “line up” and form one linear scab (as in your photo 1). Why? Because it shows the insertions were too close together and could therefore result in a contraction scar … or, as you say, a “hole.” After three months, yes you have a “hole” … a contraction scar. This should fill in a bit, but normally these things don’t totally go away.

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I’m going to respectfully disagree with Michael with what we are seeing here.
First, this looks like rather scattered work. I think it likely the electrologist was using an uninsulated needle ( wouldnt be my choice but availability differs) but it doesnt matter for what we see here. It looks to me like someone dragged a still hot needle across the top of the epidermis when extracting the probe. Its also possible the probe was at too flat an angle when they treated the follicle.Either way this although somewhat unsightly, should most affect epidermal tissue, and not down into the dermis or subdermis. I honestly think that 3 months is still too early to tell that any kind of permanent scarring has occurred.In looking at the scab pattern it seems clear to me that the too flat insertions theory is likely. It appears to be resolving, and on skin so young, healing over time can be substantial . I dont agree that there will “always be a hole” but time will tell.

Thank you for the help
I speak to my electrologist and she said that it was an uninsulated needle and that my skin was sensitive to electrolysis because my hair was too close together and that in the long term it damages my skin to treat all the hairs
I think im just going to stop electrolysis and Hope that my skin will heal

Thank you for confirming it was an uninsulated needle. I really wish electrologists would not do this.By “this” I mean using a uninsulated probe on delicate upper lip hairs in thermolysis. It’s sort of senseless? And this is the result.
If you look at the vast majority of the insertion scabs you will notice a trend. They are almost egg shaped or elongated, almost every one visible. This is from an High frequency short with the uninsulated needle. The scabbing is exaggerated by the high frequency in the upper epidermal layer but also by slightly, or in some cases significantly shallow insertions. Where a needle incidentally is in contact with the epidermal surface of the skin ( which it is in 3 different insertions in the same area on your right upper lip) it will result in the scabbed line that you see here.
Now the fortunate part, is the upper epidermal tissues are shedding and replentishing themselves all the time. They arent as susceptable to scarring or permanent marking the same way dermal or subdermal tissues are. For all practical purposes, this should resolve. The pit that you are noting is likely wound contraction at the treatment site. This too, carries a significant probability of resolving completely given enough time.
There’s nothing you can really put on your skin to “assist” healing. No products. All the “action” of the healing process is taking place below the skin. Your body is bridging the dead space and your cells involved in healing are hard at work. For more information on this,I recommend Mike’s “the healing skin” which will give you an excellent visualization of what exactly is happening and how the skin, will continue to improve well beyond a couple of months out.
For this kind of electrolysis, I really do recommend an insulated needle. I personally use insulated Ballet needles to do treatments on upper lips. And hopefully slightly less shallow insertions. IF your electrologist does these things, this kind of skin reaction doesnt need to happen.
By all means keep us updated, and come show us at 9 months or a year after treatment. I doubt you will see any difference in the skin by then from this single treatment.
Respectfully, it’s not a “you thing” or a “your skin too sensative thing”. It’s the method and equipment being used.

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thank you very much for your explanation, you reassured me a lot and gave me hope that my skin could heal over time, I watched Michael videos about the healing skin, they are very good videos, I will update in a few months to show the improvement

now im starting to notice wrinkles and pitting on the other side of my upper lip where i had a lot of scab , i think its not going to heal , im so sad


Three months is not enough time for your skin to heal and settle.

okay, I would like to ask a question and understand, I did 6 electrolysis sessions the 3 first session was with an insulated needle Size 2, after this i had no scab, no pits nothing, after that I did 2 session with a non insulated needle Size 2 and i had a lot of scab , but the scab were small and it just left me with hyperpigmentation but no pits , and my last session was with an non insulated needle too , but she change the Size of the needle to a Size 1, and this Time i have big scab and pitting and the session was really painful, the only difference was the size of the needle. but for all this session the intensity was the same…, so i dont understand, do we need to use less intensity if we use a smaller needle ? and more if we use a bigger needle? will that explain what is happening to me? im really lost

Please ?

Smaller needles run hotter with the same current than do their larger counterparts. This would explain the greater scabbing with the same intensity. I wonder though, how you are guaging the4 settings your electrologist is using? I dont know the type of machine, but most modern apilus will have a similar setting with a different probe size set up, and this will lead the machine to automatically adjust the current to a more appropriate setting for the given probe size. Therefore the actual EL used with a f1 will vary from that used with an f2 or f3, even though the setting may look similar ( example upper lip 6 on an f1 probe might be 260 EL whereas the actual energy on a f4 probe might be closer to 420 EL to make up for the larger surface area).

Seana

Oh okay Thank you , i was confused, I did electrolysis with esthétician , and at my last session she changed the Size of the needle, at first I didn’t know but the session was much more painful so I thought that the intensity was higher, at each session she wrote the settings that she used and when I came back to talk to her she showed me the paper with the information, that’s why , I have no idea what machine she uses,
I think I should have done electrolysis with professionals and not esthétician .

There could be something to your thought processes. I would go with that.