We should send your neibour a sneaky pete nos system and watch the fun.
Do you mean the only way to get effective electrolysis is by using local anaesthetic? Is this common practice?
NO! Of course not. I’m going to hate this next chapter.
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NARMA: Frankly, I took offense at your posting. It’s called entrapment.
You asked for estimates (on your feet) for your own ulterior reason, with a cleverly-crafted response ready to go. When a few of us tried to provide genuine help in offering industry standards, you sprung your trap and placed all our inadequacies on display for all to see. Okay, we don’t stand a chance compared to your electrologist? You set a trap and I fell for it! I’m irritated. Yeah, I’m always annoyed by obsequious “boot lickers.”
Even if a person has something legitimate to praise and acclaim, I’m still offended. Let me be very clear: your question was a set-up. It was designed to make others look bad. You had an answer ready, before you asked. Your attitude is haughty and imperious.
It comes down to this: “my electrologist is the best, and you’re inadequate!” That’s a horrible attitude and worse yet when it comes with my friend’s stamp of approval. Wow! Showing off and belittling others, without factual explanation, is not helpful and only adds to the confusion.
Still, if a person wants to claim they are superior to every other practitioner on the planet then they have an OBLIGATION to explain why that is? That’s the fact-finding aspect. Otherwise it’s just self-serving hero worship: something I loathe. Nobody is “the hair removal God” or has secret magical powers. I’ve been fighting this nonsense in the industry for decades.
Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s exactly how this seemed to me! This time I’m not buying the “I’m only trying to help the industry!” Yours was a carefully orchestrated slam, and it stinks … bullshit.
Let me also say without equivocation, that Josefa is probably my best friend and I love her. I always will, but this episode was messed-up.
It’s ok Michael. You arent working at the moment, so you have more time to carefully read and be offended by posts here.
That said, I see your point. It’s why I held off answering anything at first, something didnt smell right. I’ve come to trust my instincts in regard to this, if it doesnt smell right, it probably isnt!
(Love the nos comment).
But yeah, I bit the baited hook? SHIT!
Michael, It’s not maybe. It’s you are wrong. The problem is you. The constant ramblings, the constant two-face that you show in your posts and digression that is not asked for or called for.
You come across as a strange man, who needs someone to talk to, are you lonely? I’m willing to counsel you. Would you like my number?
If you say so …
Narma, this is not news. Michael is getting older ( retirement age) and well, some minor senility is pretty normal in such cases. Did you never have the gransfather who rambled on about how they walked 18 miles in a hurricane to school everyday when they were kids?
Fact is, Michael is still one of the better resources for information out there . Yes he can come accross as a little contradictory, so what? Not everyone communicates the same way.I’m certain some tales of old being told ( many of which DO have relevance to the situation at hand) is much preferable to the sound of crickets and dead silence when someone asks a question around here, and yes, I have heard that silence plenty of times.Enough that I’ve implemented a “24 hour rule” around here. It doesnt matter how busy I am, if I notice a question that has been left unanswered here on hairtell ( even if I dont know the answer) I will take the time to stop and give SOME KIND of acknolegement of the question, and to invite others to answer as well.
There are many professional or amatuer alike, who seek out Michaels advice and knowledge on a daily basis. I dont suppose they would consider his ramblings 2 faced or strange?
When a professional gives freely of their time and knowledgefor absolutely no benefit to themselves, I dont have a lot of empathy for the consumer who doesnt like how they communicate, ot tries to set them up as described. I’m in agreement is wasnt the type of behaviour we want to encourage around here and Michael is not wrong about that.
Seana
Now, where the hell did I leave my teeth?
Seana, thank you for your input, I’m well aware of Michaels strengths, I’ve been around here for quite some time unbeknown to you and admittedly and objectively I agree with some of your points. I do not make statements on a whim.
That’s an uneducated approach, fair to none and most damaging to myself.
I do appreciate your sentiments, because objectively from the history of your posts here I understand that you try to make an effort with people and be as supportive as possible.
What am I supposed to explain? How to insert a damn needle? How to get good releases? those are basic concepts that any professional knows very well.
I would like to be more explicit and self-critical, but honestly, I do not know what I said or did wrong in this whole matter.
Michael explains the results thanks to the use of local anesthesia. Well, that is a valid hypothesis, except for the fact that we have all heard the testimony of clients who go to marathon sessions under local anesthesia and all they have obtained is a lot of “instant regrowth”.
I have never asked any client to praise my work. Moreover, on more than one occasion I have asked them to stop, but I will not apologize for trying to do my job well, and yes, I am proud to know that there is a happy client out there.
I do not think NARMA2018’s purpose was to make others look bad. But, if that were the case, I hope that those who do it badly are considered alluded to and stop cheating people. For the rest, this thread will serve to attract electrolysis customers to their respective offices.
A few days ago I received a nice message from an Australian colleague. This is part of the content of that message:
“… Like many people he is inspired by your writing and photos on Hairtell. He is almost 6 months post laser, no shaving.”
Probably that guy will achieve his goal of being hairfree thanks to the electrolysis and his Australian “hero”. And who knows, maybe this thread has played a small role too.
Damn it I missed out on all this juicy drama! Can you all wait for me to wake up next time?
I kinda liked NARMA’s initial ‘‘deceit’’ approach honestly, am I weird?
I’ve also learned to like Michael’s ramblings, there’s always something helpful in there. I’d love to be ‘‘unbanned’’ from his office but hey, can’t force my friendship on anyone… LOVE ME ALREADY!!! LOL!
That’s the thing, some of Josefa’s posts (by others or herself) about results do make it seem like she’s one step way ahead of everyone. That impression is just there, whether we like it or not. When I first came here I thought it was all bullshit (I thought Michael’s 3 clearances was bullshit too, mind you), then after learning more and more about electro and talking to a few helpful people including herself, it does all make sense.
There are still a few things I can’t fully wrap my head around (near-perfect kill rate and how sometimes the % of hairs showing is ridiculously high, for example), and I guess that is what’s creating the ‘‘hype’’ around it, at least for me! Also, the only way to really figure out that effectiveness would be to experience it in person, but I always wonder if it would be possible to ‘‘emulate’’ the work with with every single electrologist (or DIY), hence all my endless questions…
They’re hanging from the toupee going round on the ceiling fan.
Your post history here is limited to this thread.
This really tells it all doesnt it?
The very process of creating an account for the purpose of posting a troll against one electrologist or another is at best, disingenuous. The “my practioner is better because of X” died alongside the modality wars some time ago.
Yawn. Going back to my nap now.
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Seana … smooooooch!
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I knew you would look at this which is why I said ‘unbeknown’ to you in advance. Hairtell is also explorable as an unregistered user, or maybe a registered user who has deleted their previous account, or has no access any longer to said account, or has a friend who posts here. The possibilities are endless, but my statement is still true.
Sleep well x
Is one of those possibilities you being Josefa’s 15th account? I knew it! Finally CONFIRMED! We’ve all been fooled once again! Lol
NARMA, I’m curious, what’s your take on why your treatment was this effective? I don’t think you’ve chimed in with your opinion on the subject yet like we all did probably too much (or maybe you did and I missed it)!
Just wanted to say I’m extremely grateful to all the professional electrologists who generously share their knowledge here. It’s like Josefa’s post said it inspires us to seek better treatment and gives hope.
Michael I was interested in your post about the benefits of local anaesthetic, it makes sense even though probably not easily assessible for most of us at this time. I look forward to your next chapter, knowledge is key and I thank you for sharing yours. Don’t give a rats how old you are!
I’ll try to put this all together, even though my senility seems to be a problem at the moment. All the players in this conversation had different interests and objectives. As I said earlier, there are different conversations going on at the same time.
Zapmyface is clever and funny. I like him. He seriously wants answers. Absolute certitude, however, can’t be attained and I think he gets it now.
Seana has been steadfastly calming the waters and has acted as the diplomat in this kerfuffle. Good show! Very kind person, Seana.
NARMA had his own troll-agenda and wanted to both proclaim his enthusiasm for Josefa (that’s nice) and “trash” the rest of us (that’s not nice). Still, that’s fine. His tactic, however, blindsided Josefa who was an innocent bystander. I don’t think she know what the hell happened.
As I said earlier, I refuse to have my clients promote my work … for the reasons you have just experienced. This time, I was the pissed-off electrologist. If I may be snarky, I think NARMA is full-of-himself. Thesaurus in hand, his language usage is designed to show how smart he is. I don’t like that sophomoric technique; maybe I see a little bit of myself in his character?
Mike (that’s me) was focusing on general industry standards and not willing to get into a useless “bean counting” contest. There is no “truth” to proclaim. I will assert, however, that stunning and remarkable results are achieved using local anesthetic (it’s simply the “holy grail”). The person talking about superior work using local (but not revealing that aspect) has a duty to tell the whole story and not “fudge” the details. Once the book is open, you can’t close it!
I’ll also add something about the “Rock Star Electrologist Syndrome.” There are hundreds of electrologists that are just as capable as Josefa, Seana, Dee and me. You just never hear about them. They do their work quietly without accolades. I regularly send clients to Karen Stathis. Ever heard of her? She accomplishes work beyond anything you have ever seen on Hairtell.
Okay, my ramblings are over. And, I did get my toupee and teeth off the ceiling fan. But I fell and broke my hip! Heading for “the home?”