Electrolysis/Laser Feet, opinion - pic attached

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#21

This proves my point I think though, not everyone will have this achieved in 1 clearance (or even 3-5). This is actually what irks me about electrologists (conflicting results and answers). I can guarantee you that you’d spend several clearances (10+) and several total hours (10+?) with the electrologist that did a chunk of my face (not you Dimi : ). And I never thought she was bad, just wondered if it was efficient or not.

So how the f*** can someone do this in one simple 30min clearance when others have to spend 10x more money and time for the same results?!

#22

What do you think of the results? :wink:

#23

You won’t like me but I’m actually very annoyed by the results. I’m happy for you though.

I just wanna add that I consider most electrologists pretty good (all have pros and cons), but I have a fascination with efficiency.

#24

Lol. Brilliant right, are you a believer now? Get it right first time? Good question, I could sit here and tell you although I feel that would be minimizing Josefas dedication and skill set and I have no authority over this. I hope she can make an appearance and discuss further the results for us, enlighten both new and old members of this forum.

Your fascination is a noble pursuit, I’ve always found her very personable and willing to share her knowledge, the problem may be other electrologists who are not receptive to taking time to understand through the rigours of research and application, which culminates in lesser results quite frankly.

#25

I’m glad you told us it was my beloved Josefa. (I thought so!)

Here’s what you have to understand. When a patient asks questions such as “how long … etc.,” on this blog … I think about the reality of the work that most will encounter. So, the parameters are wide.

Were you to ask me what I personally would do … well, that’s a different answer.

You will need two more clearance to get 100% of the hairs. This photo looks great and thanks for it.

#26

Not a problem at all, the pleasure is all mine as a happy client. I appreciate your feedback.

It’s interesting, I actually consider this 100 % and have no intention to have treatment in this area again. Some clients can be overly particular, I’m not one of them. Other areas that are more visible and hard to manage in terms of maintenance or removal I can understand being particular about.

What would you say the percentage reduction here is Michael?

#27

To be fair I’ll only believe it when I see it on my body, nothing personal against anyone but my brain is wired like that. I’d love to be treated by her and witness it myself actually, but I don’t wanna impose since I’ve heard she has a lot of clients/was retired/no clue how to even ask for treatments.

I’ve seen a few pictures of Josefa’s work on this forum (I remember that 2? clearance post on a male beard that removed a good majority of hair somewhere that impressed me). I’d hate to compare electrologists so I’ll just compare stories…

1- Josefa’s male beard client:

  • I’m assuming 2 travels, 2 clearances, doesn’t really matter the length of treatment time (FOR ME)
  • Didn’t have to think about electro and suffer except on 2 damn travel occasions

Result:

  • Majority of his beard gone
  • Barely no downtime, suffering or damage RELATIVE to the time elapsed

2- Me:

  • 60?+ travels, 50? clearances (granted it’s near my house but still)
  • Having to think about it and suffer (almost) every week

Result:

  • Scars on my face (unnoticeable now but still there)
  • 1/4 of my beard is gone, and I’m really being generous, plus a few body areas appearing to be a bit thinned
  • Having to constantly think about electro every single damn week causes some ‘‘emotional tiredness’’ and motivation goes down the toilet if no end in sight (at that rate it will take what, 5 years or more!?)
  • Constant temporary skin reactions (my skin looks like crap for weeks if not months after a treatment, and no I don’t even mind… just pointing it out for other people with similar stories)

Am I freaking unlucky or something?! And I know that there are people worse off than me! I’m just pointing out the extreme differences! I didn’t include total treatment time because it’s really not that important FOR ME (a lot of subjectivity in this post). And before some of you feel sorry for me (or think I’m just lying, that’s fine too), please know that I’m actively working towards a better approach/efficiency for myself (been testing for 2 months now and will start again once I’m satisfied with my conclusions).

This is mostly a rant lol, sorry.

#28

Photos looks like 50 - 60% reduction. And, this is (actually) what body hair should do.

There are ways to “find” your right therapist, and remember it mostly depends on WHO is doing the work. Whenever I’m heading for a procedure of any kind, I literally take a year to make up my mind. Very little depends on “reputation, nice office, degrees, etc.”

How “bad” can it get? Some years ago, I went to another country as an expert witness on an underarm case. (I was already there … so it was easy.) The woman had 240 hours of work on her underarms and the therapist estimated she was “half done.”

(I have never exceeded 8 hours and it’s usually a 4 - 6 hour job (total). This area is guaranteed

The patient LOST the hearing, because nobody could produce STANDARDS OF PRACTICE. Therein is the number one problem for consumers. No guidelines, no standards … no “NOTHIN’!”

Imagine if you had a brake job on your car, and the mechanic said, “Well, we can’t give you an estimate. Could be $500, could be $5,000!” Instead, mechanics have their “magic book” that lists the parts and the average hours necessary to do the job. So, mechanics always give you a pretty good estimate.

Standards of Practice for electrology (or laser for that matter), ain’t gonna happen. We tried, to no avail. Clients don’t know the right questions to ask … I will get around to it after I get my eye torn out and all healed up.

#29

AWESOME!!!1

#30

Oh I know what questions to ask (you already said it on another post) and I already have my estimate, I just don’t think it’s efficient compared to you for example. It would truly take 5 years or more to finish my beard at the rate I was going.

The difference between 8 vs 240 hours is disgustingly staggering. Even double the time is unfair enough…

#31

And this, was the point of my comments to you. It’s very difficult to tell you "what’s wrong with what your saying " or what part is incorrect, when you dont have a full understanding of the topic. So I’ve tried to refer you over to those sources that can help with that. I’m afraid my time is limited these days and sometimes, its better that you seek that knowledge from the source than my trying to regurgitate it.

I have a third text I’m going to recommend to you, I want to make sure I have all the information right for it so I’ll wait till I’m at the office and have it in my hot little hands.

SO, I know you’re resistant to “learning the art of electrology” but the answers you seek, the “big picture” is well part of the art of electrology. I cant teach you everything you need to know, but if you’re jumping in to answer qquestions in an effort to be “helpful” well, I can tell you it wasnt that many years ago I got the same reaction to a very similar effort. I can still hear Michael complaining about the “authority” with which I communicated completely incorrect or irrelelvant information. So I’ll tell you the same thing the then moderator James Walker told me “We want you asking, and answering , questions.” But we also want that information to be correct, and the best way for us to do THAT, is to teach you all about electrology. So that you can see the “big picture”.

It’s really tempting to jump in with that “one key bit” but I urge you to ask question, rather than authoritive statements. You need to learn how those “key bits” fit in with all the other bits before offering them up as advice.

And I can tell you, that that is EXACTLY how I got my start in electrology.

I’m not really a bitch you know. Well some days I can be, but in general, no.

Seana

#32

NARMA2018, you only got electro on the toes (and not the midfoot/front), right? If so, I count approximatively 150 visible hairs on those in your ‘‘before’’ picture, and around 10 in your ‘‘after’’.

I’m no expert, but if we account that a good % (let’s say 50% for simplicity) of hairs weren’t visible at the time, wouldn’t this mean that the total number of hairs would be around 300? And since a 100% ‘‘kill rate’’ will only remove the visible hairs (150), wouldn’t that mean that there would be 150 remaining? Yet there are only 10 visible ones on the 2nd pic, does that mean 140 are hidden?!

If you truly did only get a single clearance, it would mean that most (if not all) of the hairs were visible when you got treated, and that they pretty much all got successfully zapped, no?

I WANNA GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS… EXPLAIN THAT HAIRTELL!

(Edited for clarity and wrong math on my part)

#33

Seana, I agree that I need to learn everything about electro (even if I don’t necessarily wanna practice it)! I actually started reading Hinkel’s book today.

Also, it was never my intention to be knowledgable, I always assumed that everyone knew I was a newbie and was mostly asking questions (there are often interrogations in-between my ‘‘statements’’).

In my head I always sound like I’m saying a question or unsure information, but in writing maybe some people saw that I tried to be that annoying person trying to give advice on every single post he saw lol.

#34

Narma, did you have local anesthetic with the procedure?

#35

Good point. Yes that’s my guess too all were visible. For me this is 95 percent plus reduction from what was there originally. Michael 50%?

My theory: You know when killer whales attack a great white and kill it by holding it in tonic immobility essentially suffocating it.
A decaying shark sends a chemical signal to other sharks of the same species to flight instead of fight. The other great whites dive down to unprecedented depths and flee the area. They’d rather dive deep and cross oceans than encounter killer whales. Well, basically the hidden hairs know Josie is around and for the last 6 years reside at unprecedented depths. :slight_smile:

#36

That’s right Michael with local anaesthetic.

#37

NArma,
Wow I’m super surprised that you used anesthetic on the toes. I suppose I shouldnt be? While I’ve had some clients endure endless treatments on the fingers and toes without complaint, I’ve had others tell me it was very uncomfortable to have done.But I have never had anyone use so much as a topical on their fingers or toes, and it’s an area I’m called to work on fairly frequently.

Now the answer to your question zapmyface, how is it Josepha can treat and destroy so many of the hairs at once? The answer, lies in both skill, and implementation.Josepha has brute experience ( over 30 years) which mean she is highly skilled. This skill level is essential to doing that level of work.And it’s a matter of targeting the right place with enough energy to accomplish the kill.So , what’s the trick?
With any area, Josepha starts by instructing the client to do nothing at all, to the hairs.Not shaved, not waxed ,plucked, just leave the area alone. Areas like fingers and toes, tend to get a lot of hairs staying in the follicle for long periods after their growth cycle.So You’ll find a large percentage of hairs in telogen in that area, and only a few in anogen.By instructing the client to not do anything to the area, for up to a year if possible, there will be the maximum number of hairs present to be treated. And Josepha knows she can kill hair in ANY stage of hair growth by targeting the stem cells present in the bulge of the follicle.
So when you combine the maximum number of hair follicles available for treatment with highly skilled insertions targeting the specific area needed to disable the hair, a practised eye able to easily distinguish one hairs growth phase from another prior to epilation , you end up with a higher percentage of the hair follicles killed in a single session.
That’sa little bit, about why people like Michael or Josepha’s treatments are able to be done in so few clearances.For the rest, you have to learn how to zap and actually experience it and gain experience like Josepha posesses.

Seana

#38

I see, while I have no issue believing that she can kill pretty much every hair visible at the time (ok there’s a part of me that thinks it’s a bit too good to be true, but I’m open to it), wouldn’t that prove that there was almost no ‘‘hidden’’ hairs at that time.

So this quote from Michael on this same thread is actually false (unless my understanding is false):

Sorry to put you on the spot Michael, but I need to know the truth!

#39

I’m not on the spot, because I don’t do “truth.” “Truth” is for religions.

Most importantly is the treatment benefit of local anesthetic … the big “red herring” in electrology. Not just pain, but in the actual treatment itself. This subject deserves a book, say, of about 150 pages.

#40

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Sorry to put you on the spot Michael, but I need to know the truth! [/quote]

You sound like Mulder from the X-files. You do have a point though.