hi great community you have here. i am receiving electrolysis pn my back and the technique being used is thinning. i was wondering if clearing bit by bit would be better. i have received near 60 hours yet seems like its slow. any help would be great.
Each modality creates its own strategy. However, for body work, I think it’s best to clear off the area — regardless of the modality. (Perhaps multiple needle could use a thinning strategy.) But any thermolysis adaptation or blend (again any adaptation), I say “clear it off.” Hairs are far enough apart to not risk overtreatment.
micro Thermolysis is being used.
I have very sensitive skin and I do get pigmentation (The power is up high). I can live with the redness I get. I would rather have redness and killing the hair than low power and the hair coming back.
I do have lots of hair being removed. The hair is for the most part thin and not far apart.
The thinning just seems like it will take a long time.
Let me know! thanks guys
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There might be as many techniques and strategies as there are electrologists! I agree with Michael - if you want less hair, then clear it ALL a few times. I believe that will result in a consistent thinning of the area.
When you (force999) say that the hair is not far apart, then I would say that is it NOT thin (that it is dense) but perhaps you are talking about the individual strands of hair being thin?
Besides having all these techniques and strategies, we also have all this insider language or terminology that can be a little confusing. Thin or thick could mean density of the whole area or it could mean diameter of individual hairs.
Many report that electrolysis is best for small areas only, however, that is not true. My strategy is to treat every hair and to use a flash modality, like MicroFlash or PicoFlash, in auto sensor mode. Appointments should be spaced close together for longer sessions in order to clear off the hair that is now present, asap. The hairs need to be punched. Probe choice should match the diameter of the hair. I go at this aggressively and encourage my clients to aggressively pursue knocking out the hair as soon as possible.
What area are you concerned with, by the way.
there is alot of hair but the hairs itself are thin in the majority of the back and a bit thicker in the shoulders.
When i get the treatment in microflash i get it thinned out instead of concentrating in one small area each time i go in.
Plus i find when thinning since a larger area is being treated my skin starts to get beat up quicker. I would assume if we were to focus on one small area at a time we can get that area treated with the help of some emla and move on.
I go in 2 hours a week by the way.
Let me know guys, thanks!
interesting conversation. What is suggested if one is just looking for making the thick coarse beard hair thinner and less coarse?
Hey guys these are the links. Can you guys let me know what you think? I would like to know whether thinning or clearing bit by bit would be best. Also i’m guessing laser is no good for this hair right?
Thanks so much
Laser will not help you out. The hair is too fine.
I would find an electrologist that uses flash thermolysis, particularly ‘MicroFlash’ or ‘PicoFlash’. This is much faster than blend or galvanic.
Try to put in as many hours as you can upfront to get clearances.
On my (also sensitive) skin short and thermolysis pulses also lead to red dots which take a fairly long time to disappear. Thats what lead me to blending some galvanic to the flash and using more than one pulse of 1/4-1/6 s length. Anyway, synchro mode as well as multiplex on the apilus platinum seem to be even superior.
And yes, i also think the best tretment strategy for Your back is systematically clearing connected areas and not thinning. It might be a bit different if there were hairs of very much differing size like on the back i was working on this afternoon (in such a situation it will bring faster relief to the client if i work from coarse to fine hair).
I am doing more and more work in Synchro. It works everywhere. Gold or insulated probes? Doesn’t matter. You have to be very focused though. Great for large areas. Whoever invented this modality deserves much appreciation and high regard. I am highly partial to the Apilus Platinum because it makes removing hair so fulfilling for me and my clients. This not an advertisement. I am simply sharing what I have observed over the last three years.
Dee, do i remember Michael correctly mentioning that bursts of small HF pulses (like the signal used in synchro) have not been invented by Apilus? BTW: in my last treatments i felt it was better to use multiplex and not synchro as usually preferred by me – the hair i worked on was comparatively shallow, and i feel not very well using syncro in such situations.
One hundred micro bursts come off the probe tip in .015 seconds, with one insertion, depending on what the electrologist chooses to use. What other company has given us this option? No human foot using a foot pedal could possibly accomplish this feat of treating a follicle with such thoroughness in less than one second , delivering 100 weak micro bursts of energy.
I prefer multiplex for shallow, dry, hard white bulbs. I also like MultiPlex on deep, coarse curvy hairs. I have used Synchro in both of the above cases as well, but Synchro’s main strength Is for those straight, deep, very coarse hairs with those bottom to top root sheaths.
Synchro will work fine on shallow hairs. It is all about using the correct energy levels and focusing. With that said, PicoFlash and Multiplex is what I would choose for these hair structures.
I share your feeling Dee, Dectro engineers have done a great job creating the Platinum and I will always be eternally grateful to them.
Tools like this machine is what allows us to improve the quality of our service.
A few days ago I worked on the left shoulder of a young man. This shoulder had never been touched with Laser or Electrolysis, I have spent 2 hours to make the first clearance. Yesterday I did the other shoulder (right) and I also took about the same time (2 hours). What no one imagined is that in the right shoulder received 20 hours of Electrolysis by another electrologist in another country, is 1400 euros for a single shoulder?. This is unacceptable, no, this is not fair. I will not mention the country of origin of this boy, nor the name of his former electrologist. What would it use?
I do not want to fall down in the temptation of condemning the work of a colleague. What sense has to die for the shots of the friend fire?
The harmed only one would be the Electrolysis and we must not allow it. Too many people need it yet.
So Dectro, Laurier, and all who are still working for us, please go here.
I agree Dee and Josefa. The Apilus machine is perfect and when used with the laurier probes it further enhances the treatment.
Synchro is my favourite too. It is my prefered method for those fine facial hairs that require superficial insertions and what is best their is little or no signs of treatment afterwards.Also using Synchro on those grey deep terminal chin hairs that a client has been tweezing for years. I love it!
I love my Apilus Platinm pure! This epilator is changing peoples opinion about electrolysis. I was getting sick of hearing people saying electrolysis is to slow or to painful.With the Apilus this is no longer the situation and work is really busy.
Dear Dee, my point concerned only the idea. AFAIK its current realisation and possibly also its optimisation is indeed unique to Dectro. Of course they have done a great job developing these machines - no one doubts it (i even feel that i will replace my Apilus Junior with a 2nd Platinum as soon as i can afford it, at least if i continue to work at two locations).
As to which mopde to use when Your experience fully meets my first and still tentative impressions.
@Josefa: examples like Yours or the client who came to me after 280 hours of blend still with a prognosis of about 100 hours for an efficient electrologist clearly demonstrate that we need to set up some kind of quality mentoring. (And still: good and efficient work can also be done with manual thermolysis or blend devices in the right hands and with the right mentality toward the customer).
The fact that there are poorly skilled electrologists is what is wrong with our profession. Gives us all a bad name. The AEA set up a mentoring program a few years ago. Experienced electrologists would mentor new electrologists - there were some experienced volunteers, but there were no new electrologists requesting a mentor.
Barbara, your statement echoes what I said here in Mike Bono’s thread titled “Oh my!”.
I think we are doing some mentoring here on hairtell. I was told by someone that it isn’t a good idea to give away everything I know. I say, it is my privilege to pass on things I have learned. Just call me an unpaid consultant. New ideas and approaches are good for the profession.
Information longs to be free…
Too bad it costs money for people to live around here. 