Electrolysis courses in Australia? Keen to learn the right method not the quick method! If not can someone please direct me to the best school known to the industry as I am happy to travel if need be! ✈️

I am a dermal therapist and have 2-3 years experience with the candela laser machine for hair removal. I also have completed half of my registered nursing degree.

I have lots of tattoos and was looking at purchasing an electrolysis machine for personal use. My previous employment offered electrolysis with the high frequency machine (you could also use this machine for red vein diathermy, acne treatments), I was shown how to use it once or twice but never in depth or with much training, more like a 2 hour session with senior staff, some online units and boom you can start treating clients.

I have just spent all night researching electrolysis and didn’t realize there is soooooooooo much more to it!!!
The different methods, different machines, I’m based in Perth Australia :australia: and am now on the search for a thorough course with someone who knows their stuff!!! Can anyone help?

Honestly there is a market for it here!!! There are so many people with tattoos that could benefit from this, as well as the amount of clients I’ve had that had their hair turn white from the laser or an increased hair growth like myself which turned my facial hairs terminal!!!

Also I would be super interested in an apprenticeship or to work alongside an EXPERIENCED technician for a few months as I want to perfect this skill and learn from the best, so if there is anyone in WA or worst case AUSTRALIA I’d be happy to fly over to your state for a few months :relaxed:

QUESTIONS I ASKED IN MY POST

  1. Please recommend a thorough course in electrolysis?
  2. Does anyone know of a technician that would be happy to have me work as an apprentice or even for a few months to shadow and learn the skill?

Thankyou, I’m already trained in laser and IPL. I’m looking for electrolysis with the 3 methods. They only offer a day course.

i learnt my electrolysis skills there

What you are seeking, doesnt really exist…
Lets start at looking at the comprehensive electrolysis course.I must admit, I’m not familiar with every electrolysis course worldwide (In fact I know of only a few barely competent ones in canada) but in general, most electrolysis courses are 500 or 800 hours of instruction at the very most. If you were a driver, this would amount to the equivelent of a “learners permit” to drive. Quickie chairside instructions such as you have described are common. There’s only so much basic information that a school can iterate to you and have you learn and absorb, in that amount of time. The longer courses I have heard of are mostly in California US , or in Quebec city or Montreal in Canada. These would primarily be schools by Dectro. But Dectro courses are specific to learning on Dectro equipment ( specifically the Apilus Xcell ) . You wont learn how to use a silouette tone, or clairblend , or instantron there. .Many of them STILL push an anagen only theory which has been proven to be incorrect… These are enough to learn some basics, but hey will not give you enough to be truly competent as an electrologist… To become truly competent, yu have to continue to learn BEYOND the esthetics school experience. This is accomplished by taking part in your local professional association, and by taking part in places like Hairtell, Electrology International or Hairshoot on facebook. To become truly competent your learning portion of your career never ends. . You learn by practicing, by monitoring and recording youyr own observations during treatment, and by networking with other electrologists through the world. who are the best of the best… This includes people like Mike Bono, Josepha Reina, Beate Ritzert, Dee Fahey, Barbara Greathouse, and many many others. These are the electrologists who have proven their worth in the field of electrology, and continued to learn and help others throughout some very long careers, in some cases, 40 years or more.

As for apprentices, this is almost ALWAYS a losing experiencefor the professional electrologist . In every single case, the apprentices have some kind of agenda they are looking to achieve. I’ve had at least 6 or 7 apprentices at this point, and all but one ( Nancy Smith ) in kingston has let me down! I’ve had apprentices leave my offices a mess, when confronted over it end up getting fired call the health department with trumped up complaints that held no value, and also leave to greener pastures with the competition in my local market as soon as they have enough skill to be barely competent. That last time, I closed my offices and moved my practise into my home, swearing to NEVER AGAIN have another apprentice ever. IT’s always a money losing enterprise for the senior electrologist.and about every single time, a disappointment. I wont do it again! I think many of the electrologists who worldwide do bring on an apprentice experience this kind of thing. It gets to the point, its just not worth it! Then you have the apprentice who plans to open their own electrology business, right accross the street, and bring all of your clients with them when they do. Its little surprise then, that really good electrologists who know their craft well, often will not work with apprentices. It’s not worth it! Why would you spend thousands every month to keep offices open and provide facilities for someone to learn in, to have that apprentice leave and attempt to take your customers with them when they are barely competent and bringing in 1/4 in income during their stay ( if that) that you are spending on expenses to provide that experience, to only become your competition?

My last apprentice left during the tail end of the pandemic closures to go work for my local competition. I came to find out through clients relating their experiences with me, this person was re-using needles on them from other members of the public. Disgusting! I certainly never taught them that, and I do understand where this could happen given the lack of preparation time their current employer gives them how this could happen. It still isnt okay! They also lashed out at me on their departure. IF they hadnt quit, I would have had to fire them! They have no business treating the public.They also had substance abuse issues. Not in my clinic dammit! Take a hike!

So I honestly, dont think you’ll find what you are looking for . There are some more descent electrolysis schools, some of the dectro schools, I hear good things about berkowitz in new york city, but all of them will only provide the basics that you need to know. I used to say good things about the school that trained me initially, but I understand the owner of that school ( Phyllis Touround) has sold it on, and I dont think I’ve ever heard anything from the new proprieters. Who knows what they teach? . The rest , comes from you by continuing to learn.

Seana

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From what I read they only offer electrolysis online or in clinic in Melbourne at your own salon. I’m based in Perth and I don’t have a machine or salon.

Thank you for replying.

While waiting for a reply today, I did even more research and I figured that learning electrolysis would be all up to me, as your right what I’m looking for isn’t available.
I had a look at the courses in California especially the 600 hour course which a lot of the theory content is actually in my diploma of beauty therapy, however they do have a lot of hands on experience which is what is lacking in Australia. If anything this has given me more motivation and drive to create something here and offer thorough education on electrolysis instead of these day courses. Honestly I would be happy volunteering my personal time a few days a week at a clinic just so I could learn from the best, but I also understand everything your saying and it seems people these days don’t care about burning people or taking advantage.

I contacted a company today who offer the 16 probe method, in which they offer training for their specialized method, however they didn’t sell the electrolysis machine and they don’t make them anymore (I’ve looked everywhere for a 2nd hand) so I guess there’s no point paying for a training course if I can’t even perform the treatment due to lack of equipment.

I have spent nearly 7 hours on this site and only signed up 14 hours ago gathering information. I guess going forward from here, is my best bet to take a day class at one of those clinics, learn the 3 different methods and then try to absorb as much information online by doing online courses?… I think that’s my only option.

Is there any seminars or training events that any well known electrolysis technicians run occasionally? I just know that I need to have a face to face eventually In order for my skill to grow.

Is there an internationally recognized certificate? Besides the many hours of practice which I know I’ll need to perfect the task, and the self education, what else can I do to be knowledgeable and one of the best technicians?

Oh… also is there any important events that are coming up in regards to this industry? I have already had a look at the electrolysis association and the GOATS of this industry which I think there’s a few books I need to purchase @Bono :wink:

If anyone else has any ideas, let me know!!!

I wouldnt worry about learning pure galvanic except as a learning tool. That’s just my opinion, there are many multiple multi-needle electrolysis professionals who swear by it, but you are correct that the machines by Gentronics are no longer made, difficult to obtain, older and prone to breakdown after many years use, and damned expensive if you can even find one. There was someone here on hairtell a year or so ago that was trying to make a new galvanic machine, but i havent heard anything about that in a while and I think the machine, like so many before it, disappeared into the ether.Coincidentally that person was a huge advocate for galvanic, enought o irk some of the folks around here.
Instead, I’d concentrate on modern blend and short wave diathermy equipment by the myriad of quality manufacturers Places like Instantron, Silouette Tone, Claireblend, or Dectro and learning blend and thermolysis. This coincidentally, is also what most electrolysis schools provide. It may just be my opinion, but I think pure galvanic is less efficient than modalities like blend, without providing a better treatment in any other way.

Agree 100% … same experience here.

There aren’t really any thorough courses available in Australia for electrolysis. Universities and schools are opting not to offer it as a course because it’s not seen as profitable enough for a larger salon. As a sole trader or small business that focuses only or mostly on electrolysis, it’s a completely different story.

There are some informal courses you can do through smaller beauty schools, and there are some veteran electrologists who happily take on either a student or an apprentice, which is how I learned (apart from watching Bono’s videos and reading books).

I can see that ACBT in Perth offers electrolysis training. Ultimately, it’s only a short course that will probably show you the basics of theory and practice but won’t actually delve enough into the reality of electrolysis treatments. I can’t vouch for the quality.

There’s a highly experienced electrologist, Gloria Villier, who recently retired and moved over your way (last I heard). I can vouch for her skills, but I’m not sure if she’d be willing to take on a student. It might be worth reaching out to her, since learning the practical elements from someone like her would be infinitely more valuable than attending a course at a beauty school - most of what these schools teach can be read in Bono’s book or in almost any electrology textbook.

To actually did my diploma with ACBT and I contacted them yesterday and they said there were no future courses a bit frustrating when they have it advertised.

I saw an online course through holo that use dectro but it was something crazy like $4999 AUD and as mentioned before a lot of the component’s I already know (I also have certificate to perform brow tattoo).

I already have some knowledge/experience in electrolysis from my previous place of work and am now thinking of just teaching myself the finer skills through books and YouTube videos.

Lets talk dollars, value of a certificate from an accredited school, and apprenticeships a little more then.

The issue with being self-taught electrolysis ( and I DO have experience with this) is the lack of recognition for your talents. Yes, it is possible to teach yourself electrolysis. It’s not recommended though. Without the structure of an organized course, it is very difficult to not miss some things that may serve you well. In addition, that certificate gives you some level of consumer confidence which helps you obtain and retain customers for your practise ( along with your reputation). Further however, you will find that companies that supply your needs ( machines, electrolysis probes , and most importantly, insurance companies which protect you and your business) will often refuse to sell their goods or services to you. This is a problem!
When I started my own journey into learning electrolysis I did work around these issues by doing things like only working on myself, and buying from places like Texas Electrolysis Supply ( who never once checked for a certificate from an accredited school to sell me supplies) .
Eventually I was approached however by other transpeople , in similar financial staits to myself, looking for help. I started to gain a "clientele " of sorts of people getting treatment from me.I never chargedd very much and what I did rarely met my costs to provide this. I was still learning though, and yes, I was making some serious mistakes. I am thankful for the electrologists here at hairtell who helped guide me away from most serious errors however and actually I benefitted inmy career greatly from the experience. There was something I was missing however, the certificate that proved I knew what I was doing and could prove it to suppliers, and to customers.

Eventually I was approached by a electrolysis business owner here in my city, and asked to go to work for her. I initially refused. I did not have a certificate proving myself as an electrologist and I felt that working in a professional setting like a clinic, should require this. I initially refused ( for over a year!) and then, some time later went back to that person with a proposition. I knew I could not afford an electrolysis course, the cheapest I had seen was a quickie chairside instruction for a couple thousand bucks! I was essentially unemployed, and supporting special needs kids and this was way out of reach. That electrologist paid for my certification at an accredited school ( Swansons Canadian Institute of electrolysis ) and I paid the amount she paid for it( $3000) by working it off on customers at her clinic. That employer ended up being unethical, and I did eventually leave and start my own electrolysis practice, but after I had completed my certification.Thisw was about 10 years ago, and when I consider inflation, it’s pretty close to the cost of $5000 AUS that you were quoted. I could have waited? I did have some money come to me through inheritance about 8 or 9 months later that would easily have paid for this course, but this is how I got my start.
The bottom line is this, If you want to be taken seriously, you need a certificate. Dectro courses are somewhere around $10000 if I recall correctly, and will only teach you on their own equipment! Silouette Tone does also offer electrolysis courses ( no idea on cost) and I would assume Swansons, has increased their prices since then. All of these options would require you to fly and put yourself up in a foreign country, perhaps for months, while you undergo training . It WILL be an expensive process, but a certificate is pretty much a requirement to perform electrolysis professionally…
One option I thought of for you? You COULD contact Skip Mahler, the owner of Instantron and see if perhaps he might be willing to assist with your learning. Skip is a Certified Electrolysis Trainer, and he makes some of the finest ( and most reasonably priced) electrolysis machines on the face of this earth. You’d have to talk to him to see how practical it is, but it may be possible skip would assist you in learning electrolysis. An instantron Spectrum Elite Epilator costs in the region of $3049 USD, compared to a Dectro Apilus Xcell which will set you back about $10000. And there may be something Skip can do to help facilitate your learning remotely. The other option would be to contact Swansons, who at least USED TO offer a distance learning program., though I dont know if they still do with the new owners of the school.

I’m going to say, that I have earned back my modest investment in my training though pure grunt labour, at least 100 times since then. Electrolysis prices are on the increase ( I just raised my pricing 20% from $100/hour to $120/hour recently, and my clients DID NOT BLINK.They are all still booking… You will earn this money back in the long run, especially if you strive for excellence ( I’m considered the best int he business in my city) … Most of us, at least here, have been booked so fully we havent been able to get a lunch in months! Most are turning clients away because we cannot treat them all. This year, more then ever before, the demand is there for good qualified electrologists.
Schooling is not ESSENTIAL in an unlicensed country, but more and more countries are instituting licensing to deal with health concerns during the pandemic. Things like Infection control are very difficult to learn on your own. The certificate opens the doors to many suppliers who will not sell to you otherwise. While it’s POSSIBLE to work around those issues, courses are that expensive and really, are pretty necessary to practice professionally.

Seana

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Thankyou Seana for such a detailed reply.

I have contacted Holo Academy again and managed to speak to the owner Maya over the phone. She is partnered with Dectro and provides their training, however she did mention there was a 6 month wait for any Dectro machine (I don’t want to wait 6 months for hands on experience) but the course is only an option if I purchase a machine or then Im unable to take the course. She also said she sells second machines and had a different brand available for $10,000 AUD until the Dectro arrived, but I don’t want to spend $10,000 on a second hand machine to potentially be stuck with it while waiting for another $10,000-$20,000 Apilus (the $$ are adding up, and If I take finance option from Holo Academy the course would no longer be an option either. So buying the course roughly $8000 + machine $10,000 -$20,00 and then flights and accommodation for the 2 week practical component)

She will be sending me more information about the course which is online, but says it would be an International certification that one would receive as if they had completed at the Dectro Academy. I am waiting on the prices and will add them later for any future Hairtell member to look back at if interested. She did mention that recently there was a massive interest in electrolysis in Australia and she hopes the market doesn’t get saturated (I don’t know if I believe this or just a marketing tactic for me to enrol and buy a Dectro machine). She stated that people in Oz are charging $75 per 15 minutes and up to $200 an hour OMG!!!

Vonnie

I have a different perspective on this. Certification in Australia is mostly meaningless and the amount you’ve been quoted is really not necessary to learn and start up as an electrologist. Clients just don’t care where or how you learned, as long as you can make the hair go away permanently. If you really want to learn through Dectro and buy one of their machines, then go for it. The other option is to work as an apprentice and buy a machine at a fraction of the cost (from $2,500 to $4,000).

It’s true that there’s a lot of consumer interest in electrolysis at the moment. It seems that there has been a lack of electrologists in Australia for some time, especially for clients who need longer treatment times. I’m also sceptical of those hourly rates. They seem very inflated above what electrologists with decades of experience are charging.

Hi Thermo

I think I am with you on this one, I feel Australians care about results and quality of work, as long as I can showcase this, I feel I would bring in clientele. Obviously I will do a course, but will be a basic course offered by a beauty school as I think the amount I’ve been quoted is far too high and would be unrealistic for me to begin. For reference I have a diploma in beauty therapy, half of my RN degree (university of Notre Dame), dual certification in brow tattoo, plus I’ve worked as a dermal therapist since 2018.

She was actually referring to those wanting to learn electrolysis and take the course as high interest and that there wouldn’t be many spots remaining because of this. She also hopes the electrolysis industry doesn’t get over saturated like eyebrow tattooing has been, but I just don’t see that happening from the research I’ve undertaken the last few days. I think if I could market this a certain way I could potentially charge higher prices but would need a great portfolio of work, but my OMG in the post earlier was at disbelief as I don’t think the prices are correct either.

Hi Vonnie,
Please contact me on 0427885444. I may be able to help you regards electrolysis training.
Gloria Villier

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There is an increase in electrolysis demand. I just increased my prices from $100/hour to $120 CDN ( our dollars are fairly close) and I charge $70 for 30 minutes. I’ve3 been so busy all year I cant even get a lunch most days.
That said, you could fly to dectro in Canada, rent a place to stay for a few months, buy a dectro machine and fly back…for half what that school is wanting to charge you! The Xcell pro is about $9000 cdn? The course at dectro…I’d have to check, but last I did I think it was in the region of $8500 ( they may not give me the best price, cause dectro doesnt like that I am vocal about their probeholder and probe issues) . This is to say, the school in AUS is ripping you off at those prices. I’m sure Gloria will tell you the same!

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  1. You will need a certification. More and more countries become regulated.2. You will have easy access for supplies with certification. 3. Dectro course 300 hours is less than 5000CAD, Apilus Senior 3G costs 4800CAD. I do not recommend ExCell , it is more than 2 time more expensive for almost nothing in return. 4. The most important part in the electrolysis office is not the machine, it is your visual magnification tool. I would spend more money for microscope than to buy Excel.5. If you decide to take Dectro course in Montreal, Canada I will be happy to meet you in person and give you many advices. If you need more info I will suggest to communicate by email. I have an electrolysis office in Montreal. Here is our website : https://www.montrealelectrolysis.com/

Dimi,
This is an excellent suggestion. I would caution however against relying on a 300 hour course wither. I’ve seen some of those Dectro candidates coming out after 300 hours and they seemed to be lacking in knowledge and skills… Moreover, I think that 500 hours of instruction is the least I would rely on if striving for competent treatment. I think California is 800 hours? I’m not certain but even that, I dont think is excessive. 500 and apprentice under a professional would be okay but I do think that 300 is too little.I would, if I was intending to go to school and get the most out of it, study the heck out of Electrolysis Thermolysis and the blend , and cosmetic and medical permanent hair removal by RN Richards, and Mike Bono’s excellent text on the blend method. Knowing these three works very well and the concepts they convey, would give any student a head start in electrolysis school.

Here’s bit of what the Hinkel book will look like (this section was a little difficult for me, because the original text was “preachy.”) Amazing how much change has taken place since the original printing 1968.
Chapter 14 Hinkel Book.pdf (257.6 KB)