Toeman, if you can see the hairs, why not us?
Haha,
Yes I understand but some are almost impossible to see to the naked eye.
Only in very good lighting with a dark background and REALLY good focus I can see them.
So I guess they are probably easy to kill as they are small and weak but they are the hardest concerning skin reaction I guess…
Yes and no.
The tiny hairs coming from tiny follicles. The follicles are very, very superficial. This seems risky for a beginner electrologist, but it really is an advantage. To destroy small follicles, we need to destroy very little tissue and consequently the chances of leaving a trail irreversible are minimal.
In your case, the electrologist must choose parameters based on these assumptions:
Skin very thin: it has a high risk of producing scars subcutaneous (white freckles) that can transparently through the skin.
Follicles very superficial, shallow insertion (1 or 2 mm) = higher concentration of energy at the tip of the needle = low humidity at these levels of skin depth.
Fine hair = fine needle. Greater concentration of energy. The choice of an insulated needle makes no sense, because the insulation is left out of the follicle.
Vast majority of telogen hairs = low moisture in the follicle = low conductivity of the currents.
The destruction of small follicles that leaves no scars on the skin. Neither short nor long term. A bit of swelling that disappears within a couple of hours.
This sounds interesting.
Like I said my electrologist uses a lot of power. Also on smaller hairs. She always uses needle size 3.
And she said that I should accept scars…Or hair and no scars…
I am beginning to think I did not make such a good choice, but on the other hand, she was the only one able to help.
And I do have scarring now. small holes of hairs which have been treated several times. Also dark spots which have been there for more than a year and some pitting…
I think she is not that careful and I told her last time that I want to avoid further scarring. She said it is inevitable 
Vast majority of telogens you say. Are they able to be killed in telogen? Or do they have to be in growth fase?
Scarring is not inevitable. It’s appauling that she told you that. Pitting is due to overtreatment. She needs to adjust the current if it’s scarring you, or her technique in general. Also, don’t retreat any area that hasn’t healed yet. That can cause scarring too.
The easiest way to kill the hair is in anagen growth phase. You should strive to go in when all the hair is in that phase. It’s possible to kill hair in telogen, but one needs to be very good for that to be the case and it doesn’t sound like she is.
It is very difficult to treat this type of hairs in anagen phase. Yes, you can shave and wait a year to grow because this is the time spent in the telogen phase. Dear Toeman, if these hairs reach at most 1 or 2 mm in length, how you want the hair to be seen flush with the skin?
In my experience, the hairs can be killed in both phases with the same success rate.
The lessons of two decades ago persist today.
Historically, it was thought that it was impossible to kill a follicle in the resting phase. The reason was that two parts of the follicle were not present in telogen. However, time has shown that this belief was erroneous. I like to put this example to my students: When you receive a shot in the heart, no matter if you’re sleeping or you’re running the 100 meters. You will die anyway. 
What do you mean, Josefa? Flush with the skin?
In my case it is not the appearance of the hair that is the problem. As you can see in my first post of this topic.
I want the hairs treated because they are the problem of the enlarged sebaceous gland.
If I want the enlarged glands to become inactive, I need to treat the small hair inside it.
I know one surgeon very known for treating this condition of sebaceous hyperplasia, however if the hair root is a little further away from the gland it cannot be punched out because the root can regenerate the complete hair follicle and thus also the sebaceous gland. My condition is quite rare as in my case quite a few of the glands have longer vellus hairs and even the small ones regularly turn into longer ones (yes still and I am 30 now).
Now believe me I hate this condition as it litterally messes up my life and I know there is a solution. That is, killing the hair follicle. Or if the follicle is small enough than excision by micro-punch is a solution.
So, like the docter advised, I want to find a professional electrologist that is able enough to treat really small hairs. If that is a solution for a better life than I do whatever I can to find it. I probably have some 50 years of life ahead of me and I am NOT looking forward to leaving it alone and don’t do anything about it.
I just hope to find someone able and willing to help me and if that is you then that would be great. traveling in the EU isn’t that expensive/hard compared to the relief it might give me in my future life…
One other question. You said it can take a year this telogen fase with the small hairs. However I tested one time with some of them by pulling them out. And they reappeared quite fast (a matter of weeks/months). Is that because pulling them out brings them into a new rhythm?
Shaving hair will remain flush with the skin for a year. The hair does not grow during the resting phase. We have to wait a year to treated of the hairs in the anagen phase. You understand now?
Yes I understand.
But I noticed with the vellus hairs, when pulling them out they come back sooner.
So pulling them out makes them change the telogen period?
Yes, any system to boot the root hair, will interrupt the natural cycle and a new cycle begins. What you suggest is fine if you do not have to travel very far, because your electrologist may work in the emerging hairs, but not practical if you have to travel many miles for this reason:
If the hairs have been extracted from root growth is irregular. Some hairs take longer to appear at the surface than others.
When the last hairs have appeared, the first hairs have reached a quiescent stage. Note that this type of fine hair has a very short growth time and a very long resting phase.
Josefa may be different in her skills, but most other electrologists don’t claim to be able to kill most hair in anything other than anagen phase. And all electrologists agree that the hair is easiest killed in anagen when it’s actually firmly attached.
I am fully aware that for an electrologist is easier and more pleasant to work in anagen, but this is not always possible. The fine hairs of the stomach of a woman or thin fuzz on the face of a young girl. How do you think the other electrologists work in those virgin hairs? in telogen.
You can remove all hair. The rate of disabling them permanently would just not be the same as for anagen hairs.
That’s not what I observed during my last 30 years.
Like I said in previous posts, what you personally think you can do is not necessarily indicative of an average electrologist. The OP is not going to you for treatment, so the only thing that’s relevant to him is how HE can get the BEST results in his town. And that would be by treating hair in anagen.
Also, observations are not studies. They can be deceptive. If I wax the hair, it also seems like it’s gone for a while, so the observation would be that waxing also disables hair. You would need to do a blind experiment to prove your claims. The electrology associations or even the machine manufacturers don’t claim that treating in anagen and in telogen has the same kill rate. And they have the resources to prove this.
LAgirl, You seem to forget that the study was done from 1996 to 1998, on behalf of a Spanish machine manufacturer with bases in several countries. The study was published in a journal, was also posted on the website of the Spanish Association of Electrology, ANEDE.
However, if you are in any doubt that the phase of the hair is indifferent when the hands are working. Here’s an example:
80% Zaphairzap hairs have been treated in telogen. She seems very happy with the results.
(Toeman Sorry, I hope you have luck and find a good electrologist that you can solve your problem. If this is your city, much better)
It is not possible here in my city nor country…
Those who do additional education outside of their basic electrolysis training find that the difference between treatment of anagen and other phases of hair cycles is the insertion, and possibly treatment energy. Most are never taught about these things, and if they are, they are never given much, if any hands on training it it. Since these effective treatments impact the comfort of the client, most who have any knowledge and experience choose to avoid them, or they just treat the other cycles of growth with the same treatment style they use for the anagens, and leave it to luck if they get a reduction, elimination, or no result at all.
This is why some choose to have the client shave 3 days prior to treatment, and they treat the obvious anagens, and pluck the obvious shedders, as they simply choose not to do treatments on shedding hairs. Of course, one can question how many practitioner across the world, one will be able to find who both know about this, and practice with this in mind.
If the treatments accomplished full clearances, this would be moot as performing full clearances, and staying on schedule would make this a question only for the initial treatments anyway.
I agree if the strategy is “maintain and advance”, but not if the strategy is “clear and wait.”
In each clearance hairs reach the stage of late anagen or telogen. The question will remain valid.
Thanks for the reply dfahey and sorry for the delay.
You’re right, it’s good to have some peach fuzz, it’s normal. I’ve been surprised when I’ve read, on other forums/websites, how some women have said they feel embarrassed when they see another woman with it, they feel ashamed, or disgusted, for the person, I couldn’t believe that was said!
I was wondering if I was going too far or not. I can see mine in the normal bathroom mirror and I don’t need to be up close. However, I’m not sure what to do, I do have some longer ones though that I will mention. I really like my electrologist, I don’t think they look through anything magnifying though, we’re usually in a darkish room, and a circular light (or many lights around it) is put above us, close to where she is working. You can, like you said, forget about how you look beforehand, and become too much of a perfectionist. I like your idea of going outside.
Oops, forgot to add, I’ve started, a couple times, getting my upper lip done but I’ve always been unsure about it. I’ve got a mix of black, and blonde, fine hairs there. The black hair are not that dark, only a couple are, and all are fine, not coarse. The problem is I have a lot of fine hairs, so it’s hard to get certain ones out without accidentally tweezing the fine ones. Not sure what to do.
Plus, there are some parts of my peach fuzz that look a little darker than blonde, it’s only when I move a certain way, but this can be seen without much lighting to me. However, fine hairs seem tricky to do, especially on the face, so I’m not sure if I’d go there. 