Electrologist in EU using very good magnification?

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#1

Hi all,

I have been here for years. Like some of you know I had genital electrolysis done because I had quite some shaft hair.
I am posting this because this is very important to me and my life and I really want to find a professional that can help me.

This woman in the Netherlands treated me for more than 1,5 years. Almost all thick hairs are gone.
However, many tiny micro hairs came in place and with the micro hairs come enlarged sebaceous glands.
On the places where the hair is actually totally killed, there is no sebaceous bump whatsoever.

I can tell you that from the moment hairs (very small ones) started to grow on the shaft, they came with bumps. Also called sebaceous hyperplasia.
Every bump has a tiny micro hair and I have always been sure that killing the tiny hair, destroying the follicle, would get rid of this problem.

Now I contacted a Skin doctor about this issue, and this is what he wrote to me:

“Sebaceous hyperplasia is a disease of the hair follicle characterized by a voluminous overgrowth of a single follicular sebaceous structure. Destruction of the offending hair follicle by a simple epilation technique
involving fine needle low current electodessication works well in my hands. However, I live in the United States so my advice to you would be to find a very capable electrologist in Europe with very good vision equipment and a lot of experience who is capable of destroying very small sebaceous hairs. This should get rid of your problem.”

I always knew these small hairs were the problem.
I asked my electrologist but she says these small hairs aren’t possible to treat. She uses blend.
I don’t mind as she has left me with quite some scarring so I would love to shift to someone else…In my country it is difficult to find anyone wanting to work on such a delicate area so I was happy she helped me with the big hairs.

However, I have read these forums and I know there are professional electrologists out there that are very experienced and are capable of removing even the smallest of hairs without scarring (for example maybe James or Dee?)

Now I live in Europe and believe me this issue is destroying my life. I just turned 30 and if all is well I have about 50 years of life ahead of me.
I want this problem to be solved because I know there are professionals that could help me, but just not here in my country…

Is there anyone in Europe with great vision equipment (like for example James’) and a good machine that could help me with the small hairs?
As traveling in Europe every 6 or 8 weeks isn’t that expensive…
Believe me, I am VERY serious about solving this problem so I hope there is anyone that could help me…

Thank you very much…

#2

A HairTell user, depilacionelectr, is a Spanish Electrologist who uses the Apilus Platinum. She is based in Malaga.

Check out some of her posts for pictures and possibly videos. I wished I had bookmarked her blog.

#3

Toeman,

This is mind numbing that your electrologist has done blend for your coarse hairs successfully, but tells you it won’t work for finer hairs. Are you kidding me! Electrolysis does work for fine hair as well and it is the only thing that does work in 2010. You’ve got the electrologist, but the electrologist can’t remove that finer hair. I feel like saying a curse word right now. Josefa would be great. Spain is a lovely country and we all know you will get what you pay for with her. Another option would be to check out www.dectro.com and go to the salon directory on the left hand side to see if there are any electrologists with an Apilus Platinum or lower, that are even closer to The Netherlands that can actually see ALL hair structures. Even if the electrologist has surgical loupes like I wear, they can see the hair just fine. I do a lot of blond peach fuzz and I can see that kind of hair amazingly well. A stereo microscope like James has would be awesome, no doubt. What kind of vision set up does your electrologist have?

#4

Although i am sure Josefa will do a great job, You might as well ask one of the german collegues from www.dvee.de - many of us treat that delicate area and are skilled enough to work on fine hair.

#5

Thanks Stoppit, Dee and Beate.

Although I have considerable experience in scrotal skin, I have never worked in the delicate skin of the penis.

I have often seen the sebaceous hyperplasia on the forehead and nose of many women. This is one sebaceous gland with many lobes arranged around a central canal. Usually this canal is noticeable to the naked eye and often coincides with the opening of the hair contains.

Sebaceous hyperplasia, which occur in the skin of the penis (usually at the inferior area). They are not flattened as in the face. They are smaller and less yellow.
Electrodesiccation treatment may be okay, but I lean more by electrocoagulation. The sebum can be a problem for galvanic current. This is an insulator for the current.

In any case Toeman, the challenges are my weakness, so you will be very welcome if you’re willing to wait several months.

You knew that cryosurgery is an option? of course accuracy is difficult with this type of treatment and the risk of scarring is similar to the excision. The application of topical chemicals is another option.

#6

Thank you all for the replies.
This sheds some light into the darkness…

Dfahey and Beate_r I am talking about REALLY fine hair…like for example the ones on your nose. Are you sure you can do those? That would be great.

Depilacionelectr…Thank you also!
You are right, the condition is different in the face. However they both come with a small hair. Mine are sometimes flat, sometimes they aren’t. It is just prominent sebaceous glands.
Cryosurgery isn’t really succesfull as they mostly return because the follicular unit is not destroyed and regenerates the sebaceous gland.
There is a surgeoun however in Germany that is very famous with micropunch treatment but then again, it doesn’t work if the dermal papilla is a bit further away from the gland (in case of the longer hairs) so excising makes the gland come back due to regeneration of the follicle.
Now another problem is that every now and then a sebaceous hair turns into a terminal hair…I don’t want to chase hairs the rest of my life so killing the small hairs would be the best solution.

In sum, my only chance of getting rid of this stuff is finding a professional that can work on really small sebaceous hairs.
They are not hard to find as they al come with a tiny spot…

Depilacionelectr…Have you also worked on very small hairs?

#7

Of course I can see them! I thrive on doing those fine hairs and I love the challenge. I could never see those hairs without my magnfication set up. The only problem is, I just about stop breathing because there can be no movement during insertions. I like to use insulated probes for those small, close to the surface hairs. It is highly possible to treat these hairs, but one needs to see them and shadow the area with the light source.

#8

If I worked in the small hairs?
This is one of those questions that make me smile nostalgically. Sigh

Yes, Toeman, I have devoted many hours of my life to remove hair as blond, short and thin, which could only be seen against the light, that is, placing the area of hair between the light and your eye to observe the silhouette, just like you would for see the fuzz of a peach.
As rightly said Dee, light plays an important role in these cases. Too much light projected directly onto the hair, makes it disappear from view. On the contrary, if we stray light to form a shadow, the blonde hair shining like a golden thread.

On the other hand, I doubt that a healthy person suffers an increase in the hair development of pubic area after 30 years of age. By contrast, the rate of hair fall by 0.30% per year.

Josefa

#9

Hi Josefa,

Well I am a strange case :wink:

I had very little pubic hair for 26 years of my life.
No problems at all.
I had spots on the penis shaft but they were underneath the skin (ectopic glands). So I had no problems with that whatsoever and lived a good life without worries.

Than I was so stupid once at 26 to shave the scrotum with my girlfriend back then. And within a week(!) the spots became raised and tiny hairs came out of the spots.
I was shocked! I did not even know this was possible to have hair there.
And I always heard that shaving does not trigger more hair. Well it did! Everyone says it is not possible, but believe me I saw what happened.
I decided not to touch it anymore and it was stable again.
But I had much more hair, so I thought I’ll shave it again and again…And that was the point of no return…Many more hairs came (also on places I had never shaved!)
So I absolutely triggered something the first time by shaving…
There was topic once here on a Dutch forum with men that suffer shaving induced hairgrowth on the shaft…All the same story: shaving (even in there 30’s) for the first time and suddenly bumps with hairs on the shaft where they’d never shaved…
Luckily the thick hairs have largely been removed by the woman that helped me the past 1,5 years. However many regressed into tiny blonde hairs and, thus, a bump again…Too bad she can’t treat those.
But as you can imagine I could not test more electrologists out to see which one is best as she was the only one that was willing to help me. So I did not know if she was the best…And I have to admit, she has left me with some scarring.
She even said: “That is the choice you have to make; no scars and hair or scars and no hair…”
I was so desperate about the hair that I accepted that…Now in hindsight I think it wasn’t so clever as I heard many of you saying that scars is evitable…

You can imagine this had a huge impact on my life and happiness…This is unbalievably bad for my life happiness…
The same stress as women feel with unwanted hair on places they don’t want it, I feel due to the area down there not being the way it was and should be.

Now I am not the kind of person that’s just going to give up and live with this for the rest of my life while there are professionals that could help with the hairs.
There are even professionals that can help with the glands but the follicle should be destroyed first.

In some way one could say I am a fighter, I had many mischances in my life but I always went against it and try to find a solution…I don’t care the effort as long as in the long run there can be better results.

I always had this theory of the hairfollicles being the cause of this problem. No hair=no bump, a hair= a bump.
The spots became raised after the dormant follicles started to be active…

So I know that for one the follicles should be destroyed and yes it is quite difficult to find any professionals in my country with a) a good machine b) good vision equipment c) able to work on small hairs and d) willing to work on such a delicate area.

#10

Bump…Depilacion…?

#11

A young man who does not yield to the obstacles in his life, it is hard to find in these times. Your fighting spirit will honor you.

At this moment, I have little time to write, but I tell you one thing:

A) It seems difficult to find professionals in [color:#000000]ANY [/color]country.

B) There are not delicate areas for a professional (in the sense that everyone thinks).

For us,electrologists, the areas are classified as: high, medium and low risk for the skin.
Working in the area of the anal sphincters, is as risky as working on the upper lip of a 14 year old girl. Believe me when I say that scares me more the lip of the girl’s than anal sphincters of a man. Why? because, although both areas have very thin and sensitive skin, a mistake in the lip of a child will mark the rest of her life, while an error in the anal sphinters will not have any impact on the life of this man.

#12

Shaving didn’t stimulate your hair. It’s physically impossible. Shaving is just cutting the hair above the skin’s surface. It doesn’t impact the root. It’s like getting a haircut.

It’s more likely that you attributed the issue to shaving when it was probably some ingrown hairs at first, some irritation, and generally more hair developing since you were 26. And the fact that you were paying more attention to the area probably didn’t help.

#13

I didn’t realise you guys could do peach fuzz! :slight_smile: I was told there was nothing I could do apart from wax it, which with my sensitivity would be really bad, electrolysis for me has been the best, especially afterwards… I’ve had so many bad reactions with other kinds of hair removal - although I’ve never tried laser… I feel like I have too much peach fuzz, especially for my age, maybe I’m overreacting… So should I ask my electrolysis and what should I do if they say they can’t? Sorry toeman for jumping into your thread. P.S. I’m in the UK.

#14

If your electrologist has invested in excellent vision and and magnification aids, they can see peach fuzz of any color. If they have not, they will tell you it is impossible to do. It takes a lot of hours to do this spread out over 18 months to 2.5 years, but it can be done. The electrologist needs to be able to do sessions that are an hour or longer, preferably longer. There is a lot of fine hairs, especially on a woman’s face and I MEAN A LOT. The trouble is, once the electrologist eliminates the noticeable, long, thin hairs, the client forgets how bad it was and starts focusing on the tiny blond hairs that no one can see without the help of a 12X magnification mirror. That is why I plead with my ladies to ditch these mirrors and evaluate their facial hairs with a regular mirror.

If you find someone that can handle these fine hair structures, be prepared to put in the time and be prepared to know when to stop. When I tell my clients they don’t need me anymore, many agree, so we stop, but some are insistent that they have to keep going. Do not expect to ever be totally clear of ALL peach fuzz. It is impossible and impractical to do. Women need a little fuzz on their faces. It’s looks natural. You don’t want to like a piece of plastic, do you?

#15

I call this natures powder, without it skin would be too shiney, like makeup without powder.

#16

That is exactly why i start thinking where to stop my own treatment: beside the thick male hair there is a lot of very fine and light stuff (yet coarser than typical female peach fuzz) and i am actually considering leaving it.

Beate

#17

Josefa,

What kind of magnification do you use? How strong is it?

#18

I’m currently testing a system based on Galileo’s telescopes with an increase of 3.5 x. Until recently I was using a magnifying lens hood with 2.5 x hair very short and fine as the center of women’s upper lip. For the rest of the hair, my vision is excellent …for now. :confused:

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A few minutes later…

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#19

Hi Josefa,

thanks.

I can tell you my hairs can even be smaller, like for example on the nose.
They are not as numerous but for example from a small spot a tiny hair comes from the centre. Really tiny like the unpigmented hairs on the nose.
Can you treat small hairs like that?

#20

That is exactly why i start thinking where to stop my own treatment: beside the thick male hair there is a lot of very fine and light stuff (yet coarser than typical female peach fuzz) and i am actually considering leaving it.

Beate [/quote]

You are very wise, Beate. I like to take my female peach fuzz clients outside and look at their faces before we start a session. That way, I can see trouble spots that are noticeable to the human eye at a conversation distance. Thinning these areas of long blond hair is all that is needed.