man, i would charaterize it as fairy tale. But… Tales need to be realistic, this one , for me, with all due apology, was not.
Lets make smth clear: i made no secret of what wy country was. Romania is known as a country with not-so-correct people. Not anywhere near norway, usa or even spain. (in this order) . Because of that, like characters affected by home race in rpg games, we develop a keen sense of detecting fishy stories.
I might be very wrong i admit. But i could not restrain in making those posts. Why?
Because i want people with problems, i know there are many here, to get THE TRUTH and not be misleaded by pictures that look too good. Because they will suffer if they cant get these results .
I know i suffered a lot when the 3 laser sesions i made had not the results i was hoping for… Its time to see electro now, skeptical about this also, but… Also a little hope.
You no longer need to wory about my oppinion, because i see everyone here supports you, and this has to be sign even for me that they belive in you, and that you achieved results in their eyes…
Take it not like a personal acuse but more like one tormented soul (played a lot of rpg i know ) who seeks if there is TRUTH in this electro threads, or just well dressed and well photographed fairytales.
Maybe you would have prefered a thread where there only was photos and basic facts (how long sessions, when they took place, etc…) about the sessions?
I must admit, this diary is a mixture of two forums here on Hairtell: Professional Electrolysis and Share Your Feelings.
Like yourself, I have had failures of other treatments. Plenty of failures. So when I finally find the solution, and actually saw the results that have been promised for so many times, I naturally become ecstatic. Hence, my “posts of joy” and glowing recommendation of electrolysis and Josefa.
I am sorry if this makes the results seem less belivable, because they are the truth.
^ thankyou
This romanian guy is an engeneer btw. Wich means that i seek and trust in fact. So, why must there be so many variables? So many unpredictibility? So many doubts?
It shoul be a tech thing.
Hair depth +girth = x energy to remove it, be it from laser or electro…
Instead, so many uncertanties for a 100yr industry… So little succes storyes, so few pictures… That even thouse who appear , sometimes seem unrealistic, in someone who is not about optimism ,and lets encourage each other that things might work, hairs might fall… but proof, facts.
And mr bono , i am not from those who trust much in spiritual explanations , even coming from a poorer and less developed country… So i dont think pain = growth. Its just a wrong signal from a gland, that should have been treated by now, and electro devices manufactured by philips or braun, not dectro… If only people in industry would have taken this more seriously.
Mr hairyeuropeanguy…let me tell you that I am one who is undergoing electrolysis…thermolysis…it works…the main thing is to find good electrologist,stick to schedule and be patient…it works if done properly…
I am another guy who was treated by Josefa. You can read my posts and this was not the classic success story because I stopped the treatment after two clearances. I can 100% confirm that the treatments and the speed of the european guys treatment is absolutely possible by the hands of her.
I did not continue further treatments because I wanted to concentrate on my body dysmorphic disorder and wanted to less focus on my appearance. On my photos you see there are still hairs on my back and it looks not perfect.
If this account would be handled by Josefa and she would post just fakes. Why she should post such photos? She could only had to shave her ‘model’ and post a photo with a total clear back. But on my back there are only some hairs here and there. How you would do this trick?
A few years ago when I searched the internet for a working hair removal technique. I quickly saw that success stories about other permanent methods are faked. But on Josefas thread about the european guy I immediately knew this was the truth. The patches and the bubbles after the treatments and the way it was written. You would recognize fakes on their profit orientation. But she had nothing like profit orientation.
Josefa please take the doubters posts as a compliment because your work is in fact ‘unbelievable’.
hairyeuropeanguy, don’t you believe there was a man on the moon?
It would be that simple if the system was as simple as You imply. Unfortunately, biological systems are a lot more complex than technical systems. Have a closer look at the anatomy of a hair. Are You aware that each hair as a muscle which may be more or less active and might have an impact on insertions? Are You aware that a client might tremble under stress and that this also might have an impact on insertions?
Are You aware that our work depends on moisture content of the skin - we are basically heating up water with our needles. That is why applying some kind of moisturizer immediately before and even during the treatment will help.
Moisture content is dependent on stress. Just this day i had a fine, yet typical, example on the impact: 3 hours of beard removal. After about 90 minutes my client became more and more nervous - it slowed me down and i needed to stop for an extended break. Afterwards when she was calm again, i coud proceed in that area with half the EL value i needed when i stopped (i.e., 0.7 times the intensity).
Philips and Braun are mass manufacturers dedicated mainly on consumer products.They do not know how the market of professional beauty care works. Moreover, performing Electrolysis is not suited to become a mass market, simply because it is a very hard and exhausting job requiring a lot of dedication. At least the “big jobs” like Your problem will always be cases for those few people who are really dedicated to do that hard an exhausting work.
By “pain and discomfort” I meant MY pain and discomfort — that gets ME thinking, instead of being lazy and complacent.
In a way, I agree with our “engineer” in that our 100 year industry is still somewhat in the dark. There are many reasons for this, but the biggest reason is there has never been any objective study or collection of information — ever. And, no desire to do such a study.
In actuality, if a proper study were made, there would mostly be ONE modality, ONE technique and ONE way to do all the various hairs. Of course all parameters would be considered: that’s what engineers DO! They factor in all the possibilities.
I SUSPECT that you’re not a tormented soul. If so, and the “poor hairy” you cared as much as you say, you would have had the courage to put the name of the clinic where you say you were cheated by them, and you would not have done under the impunity that anonymity gives you. Instead, throwing a charge against a person with a name. How brave!.
I SUSPECT you have not received much love in your life, or you would know the difference between what it means to send a warm greeting from a distance and the profit motive.
One thing you’re right, I like to treat all these boys and girls as if they were my family. Exactly how I would like my true children were treated if they were in that situation. They come a strange country, mostly for their own, to face a hard treatments, previously cheated, and with low self-esteem. I SUSPECT that you do not respond to this profile, I SUSPECT that you are petty, arrogant, and rude.
I also I have a WARNING, but this time it is not directed to consumers, but to all electrologists of the world, and especially this poor electrologist in Romania who have the misfortune of bumping into you. If I knew her name, I would warn against you. She will probably be doomed before starting because someone as “smart” as you, who can not distinguish between a retouched picture, and one that is not, hardly able to see beyond his own nose.
A single electrologist in the country with a Platinum Pure, ummm … seem to not be very difficult to find, is this is part of one of your evil plans? Yes, I SUSPECT that whoever she is, will be your next victim …
I SUSPECT that you’re not a tormented soul. If so, and the “poor hairy” you cared as much as you say, you would have had the courage to put the name of the clinic where you say you were cheated by them, and you would not have done under the impunity that anonymity gives you. Instead, throwing a charge against a person with a name. How brave!.
I SUSPECT you have not received much love in your life, or you would know the difference between what it means to send a warm greeting from a distance and the profit motive.
One thing you’re right, I like to treat all these boys and girls as if they were my family. Exactly how I would like my true children were treated if they were in that situation. They come a strange country, mostly for their own, to face a hard treatments, previously cheated, and with low self-esteem. I SUSPECT that you do not respond to this profile, I SUSPECT that you are petty, arrogant, and rude.
I also I have a WARNING, but this time it is not directed to consumers, but to all electrologists of the world, and especially this poor electrologist in Romania who have the misfortune of bumping into you. If I knew her name, I would warn against you. She will probably be doomed before starting because someone as “smart” as you, who can not distinguish between a retouched picture, and one that is not, hardly able to see beyond his own nose.
A single electrologist in the country with a Platinum Pure, ummm … seem to not be very difficult to find, is this is part of one of your evil plans? Yes, I SUSPECT that whoever she is, will be your next victim …
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This will be my last pots on your thread, and this forum, until i can see for myself what electro is about.
Yes, you are right with the not so much love part, but i did get some though, enough not to transform me in the monster you imply. I will treat my electro with great care, because at the moment, she is the single hope I have to become … cleaner. I understand she is not so quick , but even is hair dosent apear on the little patch she is doing, it will mean v much for me. I can say that i see her as a DOCTOR, not a mere estetician, to give you idea of much of aimportance she is to me.
I wish now I had the patiance to wait for months, until december lets say, to post here. I just couldnt. By then the patch im doing on my shoulder with temrolysis will show me if there were any results for me.
If something will change… i will try to come back on this forum and share that with others, there are many in eastern europe also, not only in west, who would be in need of a treatment, and dont know what to expect, or dont have even the chance of a single electro in their country…
If i will NOT get any results, wich at the moment is the thought dominating me, (laser partial failure has lead me in a depresion i have not managet to overcome by now) - I will also NOT post any more on this forum, because i will be very sad, and i will not want to tell someone like a sick person : there is no cure for you! i will leave him to take his placebo medicine, and retire.
Although You will not belive what I say now, I really admire your work and the fact that you are trying to give people, men especialy, a solution and hope, but i cant still belive in those pictures, from carpet to clean…
really wish i had not posted in the first place.
good luck to You , in performing your treatments, and everyone here in finding the road to a CURE.
That was very good of you to make that statement. You mentioned in one of your posts that one of the moderators could delete what you said. Well, it is very hard to get posts deleted from Hairtell. It has been done, but there is benefit in letting discussions roll out in a natural way. We value free speech here even if we don’t like what is being said. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, has the right to defend herself or himself here.
I hope you understand one thing though, there are many things to be suspicious about in this world, but it is best not to take an approach of accusing someone of photo shop doctoring of their photos and putting them in a position of trying to prove they are innocent and their pictures are authentic.
Your last post was very much appreciated and I bet you feel better, too?
Knowing Jossie, she’s already “over it” and has probably got a LOT of “feeling” for the guy too. That’s the way she is. She understands his comments were coming from disappointment and frustration. In reality, nothing was probably aimed at Jossie … maybe the whole industry itself. And, don’t most of us feel like that too? Jossie was just an “easy” target.
Well, back to work. Back to hairs and zapping. Jossie is loved indeed.
Any of these 7 wonders of the world is insignificant compared to the value of true friendship.
Just a moment before reading your post Dee, I was fighting with Google translator to write a message of thanks to you (Yes, Hairy european guy, my English is so unfortunate as yours, unlike “my” Boy who is a brilliant student and can speak several languages, including Castilian).
I did not need words to feel your breath, Dee. The silence of others, however, say much more.
Do not beat yourself more Hairy European Guy. Actually, your warning notice (even if wrong in the forms), should serve to alert us that something is being done wrong. Instead of striving to convince our customers that these results are unreal, would be great if we more care to know how to get there.
In any case, one thing I have to thank you, I have fresh news from some of “my boys and girls”.
Madam, i can tell you with a hand on my heart i do feel much better, yes. I saw afterwards that i was just tryng to kill the goose with golden eggs.
and i hope that more people find about electro, and at least give it a try. Because if you dont a least try, you wont see many that will continue this profesion, you wont see many electro machines in your country… you will remain sad and undeveloped.
and that leads to that ugly kind of behaviour (see my posts). all id wish for is that in the future, this could be deducted as a cure from the state, because i know i could never pay 60eur/hr fee, or the fees in america, and still i need this treatment, and others need it too… so I think that you in power should make the claims toward your medical decision-people to put this at a “reparatory surgy” level. because its what it is, for body and especially soul.
Hope you forgive me for breaking the no longer post here statement i jst made, but this i think is a positive message, not like the ones before, so please accept it.
When we ask for forgiveness or give forgiveness, that is a great gift we give to ourselves.
You can post here any time - it is okay if you change your mind. We do our best to support people with honest advice and honest pictures. We don’t want to stop doing that. I think this was an unfortunate misunderstanding , born out of despair, but your words have helped mend things.
Every electrologist that posts here on a consistent basis has had a hair problem, so we understand how this affects the body and soul of others.
Paying for permanent hair removal is tough and it is especially so in Romania, even though the fees are very inexpensive compared to other countries .
Yes, didn’t want to sound like a begger, i know that you have to pay for everything in life.
but, in this case, that it delivers results, i would consider electro more on the side of medical/surgery rather than in cosmetic/beauty enhancer side… if it would be perceived this way, than im sure that the state could make some subvention for it… especially in more developed countryes where you pay a large health contribution, and have acces to stat-of-the-art hospitals and practitioners (many of them, unfortunately, even from my country, because no matter what we are perceived in west, we ARE well trained and willng to work and dedicate, in excange of a fair salary and very good working conditions)…
this would possibly bring hope to many, but to get there , electro has stiil to earn much more visibility and trust form the public/medics. and this forum should have 10times the number of posts it has now, to make people realize that this is a CONDITION and it should be treated as a condition, so with much more emphasis that it is now.
I read the posts of this guy, and i think we do not have to give any credits to what he says. He is not a customer, not an electrologist and he doesn t know how to recognize a pictures who haven t been photoshoped. My thinking actually is that his accusations are not serious. I m proud to be one of the client of Josefa, and saw her work on myself and i can tell it is worth it. People can’t come and say" your work is fake", without proof. It doesn t make sens at all. Anyway, Josefa i hope you are well and i wish you a nice week end. Kisss
) who seeks if there is TRUTH in this electro threads, or just well dressed and well photographed fairytales.