Coarse Chin Hair Not Going Away

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#41

I made no blanket statements about the efficacy of thermolysis originally. All I said was after over 50 treatments in 2.5 yrs, I’ve seen no results so I don’t think it’s effective. That is why I disagree with your statement saying “Both methods, blend and thermolysis, work if performed perfectly well by a trained electrologist. Efficacy cannot be determined after a couple of treatments.”

I tried it long enough with a certified electrologist with almost two decades of experience, who teaches others, and it didn’t work.

There are no scientific studies on these methods and 150 yrs of “that’s the way we think things are” is no substitute. For many years, we thought the world was flat. Science proved otherwise. Frankly, even tested medical procedures that work 99.999% of the time do not work in some cases.

I take umbrage with your statement because it leaves no room for this uncertainty and I do not want other people hitting their head against a wall wondering why this procedure did not work for them. I do not think these boards should be promoting the idea that these procedures are infallible when there are contradicting stories out there.

#42

Can you clarify your statements? You went 2.5 years to a practitioner that did blend or thermolysis? Then you went one time to someone that did thermolysis?

Just because an electrologist is “certified” and has 15 or 30 years of experience, does not mean she/he is the best. If you didn’t get results, you didn’t get proper treatment. All modalities under the umbrella of ‘Electrolysis’ works as long as the human being is trained well and skilled with whatever modality she/he is using. Galvanic, Blend and especially the higher tech modes of thermolysis are a gift to us electrologists. I am proud and certain to make such statements and I stand by what I said. Sorry that you had a less than ideal outcome, but it shouldn’t be blamed on the three great modalities of electrolysis .

So how many blend treatments did you get over 2.5 years? How many thermolysis treatments did you receive. Your first post was not clear enough, thus perhaps the misunderstanding.

#43

Hi Fuzzybear, you can follow depilacionelectr’s (Josefa’s) posts for visual evidence of the efficacy of thermolysis.

My sister switched from our local electrologist, doing mainly blend, to Josefa.
You can follow her diary here:
xhttp://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/89267/1.html
The second page shows the amount of growth after 2 months, which is remarkably little.

However, if the best electrologist you have found, does blend. That’s fine. It’s just that thermolysis is just as capable in the right hands. Your electrologist of 2.5yrs was just not good enough.

I’m sure that neither Josefa nor Dee have had failed clients, thermolysis or otherwise.

#44

The majority of the most efficient electrologists in Germany do thermolysis, and they are getting their jobs done very well. It is my own experience as the removal of my former beard is not yet finished - and i am being treated with (manually controlled fast) thermolysis.

#45

I feel only the very best electrologists can get permanent results on deep chin hairs with thermolysis. With an average electrologist, you may need blend which can get deeper hairs much easier.

But I agree with above. All methods work IN GOOD HANDS. Certification is not a sign of good work. Permanent results are.

#46

Hi fuzzybear,

did you experience in this 2,5 years a longer hairfree period (6,7,8,… weeks), or you never had a full clearance of that area?

Miro

#47

Hello All,

So I’ve had four treatments with the new electrologist. I’m still a bit concerned if it’s working or not. This method of electrolysis (holding the rod) is a lot tougher of me. It hurts more and my skin scabs a bit. There is a bit of discoloration too and I have an ingrown. My electrologist claims it’s due to plucking but I haven’t done that in a long time and when I did, I never had any discoloration or ingrowns. I frankly don’t think plucking causes either but I’m not sure.

Essentially I keep going every 2 weeks. I wish the hairlessness lasted longer but it doesn’t. I am going back on Saturday. Wondering if any of you have any advice?

Thanks.

#48

Hello,

Can someone tell me how often I should be going back for treatments for chin hairs? I go every 2 weeks and I feel like she’s just working on the same hairs over and over. I’m not sure if the treatments are working or if I need to find someone new.

Every 2 weeks seems a bit much to me. Is it?

#49

If you dont touch the hair for a few months and than do 1 clearance, than the hair shouldnt grow back sooner than in 4 weeks on the neck/chin, on body 6-12weeks (depending on the area) and you should see visible reduction of the hair density.

You can look here how it should look like it the work is done by an experienced and passioned person: http://www.hairtell.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/88944/1_2_3_or_a_good_strategy.html#Post88944

#50

Hi fuzzybear,

On 7th September you had had 4 treatments. It’s now about a month later and you say you have appointments every 2 weeks… so that’s 2 or 3 more appointments since then. That’s not very many at all.

Do you get full clearance of visible hairs every time? I think probably not. Also, unless you waited months and months for all the hair to grow in, before starting electrolysis, you will continually be having hairs appear between treatments at this stage… these are not the same hairs as are being treated. Even in the worse case scenario that your electrologist was plucking all the hairs (which I’m sure you would have noticed by now), the hairs would not be the same hairs at this stage.

My aunt had a lot of coarse, deeply rooted chin hair. She used to pluck daily. When she started electrolysis she was having hour long weekly appointments. Not a clearance strategy as literally the days before starting electrolysis she was still plucking so it wasn’t possible anyway. It took months before the electrologist could get through enough hairs that she started noticing areas clearing.

#51

Hello,

Thanks for the replies everyone. Yes, I’ve had about 6 or 7 treatments with this electrologist. I’m not sure what “clearance” means, to be honest.

So, the coarse hairs on my chin/jaw are from laser treatment. It’s much more prominent, actually, on one side of the face. The hair are very thick and coarse. I am come from a particularly hirsute ethnicity and these are even thicker than normal. I would say there are about 75-100 of these hairs. In my 30 min. session, she clears them all out.

But I get hair growing back in the same spots in 2 weeks.

I don’t think she’s plucking (most of them) but I can’t exactly see what she’s doing and I use EMLA so I can’t feel much either (thankfully).

Would it be wise to suggest she crank up the intensity?

How many times does a single strand need to get zapped before it’s gone?

#52

so how did it go? hope u succeed!!!

#53

I wonder this, myself. I’ve only had electrolysis treatments every three weeks for the last three months, after seven months of weekly sessions. I know it’s working because the density and number of hairs re-appearing is GREATLY reduced from my initial condition. It’s those stubborn hairs that insist on re-appearing which cause me to ask the question.

I believe the answer lies in identifying the difference between (a) the amount of energy necessary to release the hair and (b) the amount necessary to callus/cauterize/damage the follicle permanently, preventing future growth. This is where the skill of the electrologist and their choice of equipment are most important. You will hear it said here many times over: the best electrologist can be more effective with a less sophisticated machine than can a less-talented electrologist using the most sophisticated machine. This skill/talent is gained only through education, continued learning, and TONS of experience. There are different skin types, different hair types, and different cycles of hair growth on different areas of the body. Some hair is hormonally-driven and others are not.

The final thing that must seriously be considered is preserving the original condition of the client’s skin. Killing every single hair in a single session with a single zap of the probe in each follicle sounds great, until you consider someone with tender, delicate skin that cannot endure higher levels of energy. It’s not good to be hair free in minimum time if your skin is permanently cratered or scarred. Only with plenty of experience can an electrologist recognize all the different factors for each client and adjust to the proper amount of energy to perform the best job in the least amount of time.

It’s not easy, and it’s a very fine line they must balance for every client.

#54

The hairs that come through 2 weeks later are not the same hairs. Even if she was not treating the hairs but plucking them (so that regrowth is 100% certain), those exact hairs would still not regrow by 2 weeks later. Perhaps one of the electrologists can shed light on how long a plucked hair takes to regrow.

What you are seeing come through every two weeks are different cycles of hair. You may think only have 75-100 hairs but the reality is that you have many, many more than that. As the electrologists have pointed out, tackling the hair of someone who has experienced Laser induced growth is not as straightforward as a normal hair situation.

As long as the hairs are not being plucked and are sliding out of the follicles, when removed after being treated, it’s a good sign. As Caith has explained, one treatment may not be enough to permanently disable the follicle. But a second treatment in the exact same follicle (if required), would not happen until many months later, when that same follicle produces a hair again.

I would suggest not using EMLA on a small area so that you can see if you feel the insertion (you shouldn’t), feel the current and feel if the hair is sliding out when she removes it with tweezers.

Electrolysis requires patience and perseverance.

#55

is it normal i been doing electrolysis for 3 months ,2 x a week still havent reach full clearence ? i do see a difference on chin bit on upperlip

area
uperlip
chind
jawline
sideburn middle of the cheek(weird)

im so depressed

#56

How much hair do you have? How long are your appointments? What method did you use to handle your hair situation before you started electrolysis? Can you submit quality pictures of your problem areas?

Three months is not even close to the nine to eighteen months needed to complete the job.

#57

“Full clearance” (to me) means that all of the currently visible hairs have been removed.

How long are each of your treatments? 15 minutes? One hour?

Imagining that you have a lot of hair (because you are having twice a week treatments) you “should” be seeing less hair growing in because of the consistent treatments you are receiving.

#58

But I get hair growing back in the same spots in 2 weeks.

Mike has a great question when the matter pops up:

How does the hair look when it grows out. Does it have blunt tips or soft tips?

#59

Did that get answered? Previously (before facial electrolysis) tweezed or not, there WILL be new hairs emerging within two weeks after a clearance. (This should NOT be from the previously treated hair follicles.) If they were improperly treated (too little treatment energy, bad insertions, broken hairs) the hairs will come in stubbly - usually within a day or two. An immediate feeling of coarse hair. New hairs emerge soft and tapered so that it takes longer to notice them. The good electrologist, who uses good magnification and lighting, will recognize these hairs so that they can be treated while in anagen.

Remember: The coarser the hair, the faster it grows.

Problem hair growth on a women’s face begins with a few hairs and progressively increases. The removal of these hairs should come in a reverse of this chart…

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#60

Hi Beate. Manually controlled fast thermolysis. Can you give me some idea of that? I am using synchro on my TG lady. Are you having your treatment with synchro? Thanks Beate.