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Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#21

Scarring is an issue of an incompetent provider, both with laser AND electrolysis.

Do you know anyone personally “scarred” by laser? I doubt it. If anything happens with laser, it can be a slight burn. But that resolves itself anyway and doesn’t leave scars. And that’s very rare in the first place.

Either way, laser doesn’t work on hair that’s not coarse and dense. So it’s good for bikini, undearms, legs etc. But it won’t work and shouldn’t be done on the chest or only 10 hairs on your face. That must be done with electrolysis.

DYI is not a recommended option for the face or anywhere else where you can’t do proper insertions on yourself. That can cause scarring more than anything else.

I’m sure there are electrologists in your area. Take a look in a directory and start calling around and asking whhat machines and methods of electrolysis they use.

#22

It’s true I don’t know anyone personally, but I also don’t talk to anyone in the real world about electrolysis or laser.

But I have read a lot of stories on this forum in both laser and electrolysis about scarring. Those people are always really torn up about it and I understand why.

This is why I think people should see a proven electrologist.

#23

I appreciate you trying to help, but comparing a 6 hour drive to something probably over 13 hours by the time I’ve got to London etc is just not practical on any level. Also - I do NOT have that kind of money. I’ll just about be able to afford the electrolysis, and thats by working more and cutting down on alot of stuff. Not everyone is able to come by that kind of money so easily - flights, train costs etc arent cheap. I’ve also read all over the place that at first you will need weekly visits.

#24

Yeah actually I do know someone scarred by laser (her legs) and yeah it was probably down to an incompetent provider. I’d just rather not try laser right now, but like I said it obviously still works for alot of people. Maybe when I get around to doing the bikini area I’ll consider it.

#25

unhappy girl - I think you would just need once a month trips to London to get your breasts cleared of the coarse hair from my electrologist.
As for the rest… it seems quite normal. I have hair like that all over my body and when I have to, I bleach it just so it’s less noticeable. It’s soft and downy and it’s never bothered my husband. I think I see more women with this kind of body hair than not (living in London and having ethnically diverse friends).

And…

I’m finally going to say this because I feel it needs to be said.

My sister has finally started work on her face, here in London, with the only electrologist the HairTell users seem to rate, who I have been seeing myself for some time.
Now she has actually started and we purchased a 9 hour package costing £500, and she’s already used a few hours over a few weeks, we realise either (1) we will hardly make a dent this year if we stretch out this 9 hour package (2) we could use this up in 2 months, then buy another and another… who knows how many we would need to get clearance.

Therefore I have been looking to go abroad. Plane tickets don’t actually cost that much. The cost of flying to see James plus treatment costs for 1 clearance, doesn’t actually cost that much more than the 9hour package we bought AND it will actually give her a visible difference. In the long term, we would actually save a lot of money. 3 trips (return flights) to James plus 3 clearances… I don’t think any UK electrologist could give her the same total amount of hair removal in the same combined cost.

We have been saving up for ages, we also have personal issues that would impede her being able to go abroad. But we are working on the latter because this is a problem for her and it needs to be sorted!

Again, James can clear areas in 1 day. One would just go the USA for a few days unless wanting to do some sightseeing too.

Don’t dismiss it until you have costed it. I did this initially (for my own treatment) but that was okay coz I don’t have as much hair and was okay with making slow progress (as long as the hair was gone for good). For my sister I finally plucked up the courage to ask questions, search for ticket prices… it’s totally doable. If it’s not currently do-able, one can save up until it is, unless you have an amazing electrologist nearby.

#26

Hi Unhappy Girl:

For what it’s worth, I’ve had a lot of electrolysis done on my breasts without scarring.

I think you should try and find the best electrologist you can who is not too far from where you live, so you can keep regular appointments and exchange feedback on how you’ve reacted to the treatments.

Alicia

#27

YES! Laser hair removal machines have drastically improved in the last 3 years and I take care of people everyday with your amount of hair and more. Tons of woman have hair on their breast and bums and it’s totally treatable. The advantage to LHR is that large areas of hair can be treated at one time and you will see results with the first treatment. Not complete results of course because it is a process but a decrese overall. And don’t worry about the hairs being fine, those don’t respond as well as thick hair, but they will respond with the right laser and the right settings. Judy M

#28

Sorry but I don’t agree.

I have had laser on my full legs, bikini line, underarms and now 2 treatments of 3/4 arm.

I have had exceptional results of the coarse, dark hair.

I have gone very high on settings for my legs but the finer hair was not affected at all. When I was test patched at the same settings on my arms, I got a mild burning. Meaning we have had to pull the settings back a bit for actual treatments so it’s highly unlikely that any finer arm hairs will be effectively treated.

What do you say about induced growth when areas of finer hair are treated? Especially male hair pattern areas - face, neck, upper arm?

#29

There are no stories on this forum from anyone complaining of any PERMANENT SCARRING from laser. There are a few posts about burns, but those are temporary and don’t leave scars. Any side effects go away with some time like any superficial burn.

#30

Hello,

I understand your distress as I have it about my own body hairy.

However, I wanted to say I’ve known numerous women who are hairier (than your pics) who have happy romantic lives.

If you believe you are not worthy to have a happy love life then you won’t. I lost many years of my youth in that headspace.

Or if you believe you are worthy to have a happy love life then you can.

The most fun girlfriend I ever had was actually the hairiest one. Why? Because she wasn’t down on herself about it and she had a fun attitude to life. She’s always been very popular. On the other hand I’ve known many women who look “picture perfect” but because they had sour attitudes they’re awful to be around, they are not attractive and don’t have as much fun in life.

So get the work done, like I do, it helps build confidence, but don’t hold back on living in the meantime with thoughts of “I’ll never…” or “I’m not worthy…” For on one hand there are many guys who find women with body hair very attractive. But most of all, guys are looking for someone with a positive, relaxed, fun attitude to themselves and to life.

best wishes, R.

#31

I appreciate you trying to help, but comparing a 6 hour drive to something probably over 13 hours by the time I’ve got to London etc is just not practical on any level. Also - I do NOT have that kind of money. I’ll just about be able to afford the electrolysis, and thats by working more and cutting down on alot of stuff. Not everyone is able to come by that kind of money so easily - flights, train costs etc arent cheap. I’ve also read all over the place that at first you will need weekly visits.

Alright, this is going to be my last post regarding this.

The thing is, i’m not trying to compare a 6 hour drive to a flight. I’m really not. I’m just trying to get you to think about it in a different way. Honestly if you’re not willing to go to any effort to see a proven electrolysis, then we might not be as similar as I thought. Or you might just not be scared enough of the possible damage that can come from electrolysis (and if you’re thinking about doing self electrolysis, then you’re definitely not scared enough). Let me just post some thread titles from the first few pages on the Professional Electrolysis forum:

Help!! Worried about marks!
Over treatment of Upper lip- please help
permanent hyperpigmentation post electrolysis -
Electrolysis/permanent scars

I think you should read some of those threads before you go into electrolysis. And I hate to say it, but there are a lot more where those came from on this forum. You should never sacrifice safety for practicality.

The one thing i’m trying to do on this forum is prevent people from having this happen to them. And the only way that I can really do that is by recommending that they see a proven specialist. And personally, the only proven specialist I know is James, so that’s why i’m recommending you go to the states.

#32

Hi:

I think someone should look very hard locally before considering extreme long distance travel to see an electrologist. I’m guessing that England is not completely lacking in competent electrologists.

Alicia

#33

Let me just say, for the record, that I too recommend that one check out the local talent before traveling. One doesn’t know what is available locally otherwise. On the other hand, I have talked with enough people over the years to know that most people would not want to go through the weeks of consults and sample treatments it would take to find out the extent of what is available locally.

I know that I am at the point where I would travel to another country just to get good dental work, after all the horrid work I have had, and paid for my family members to have here in the US.

#34

I think it depends on the level of work one needs.

Certainly there are no electrologists of James or Dee’s level in London or the surrounding South East area. From this forum, it seems like there are only a handful that are even worth going to for electrolysis that won’t leave you permanently scarred.

Maybe there are some elsewhere in England. But again, from this forum I have heard very little.

Everyone has to look at their own situation and what is best for them. As I gave my example before, I could manage with my electrologist, my sister can’t (or rather, there are easier solutions).

#35

Hi:

I just find it difficult to believe that in a country the size of England that there are no competent electrologists.

Will any competent electrologists in England please put up their hands?

The person you are trying to convince they should travel to the US doesn’t even have a passport.

I could drive to see James in a couple of hours, but found a competent electrologist within 10 minutes drive of my house whom I can see every two weeks. For me the convenience was important.
Driving to Buffalo in the winter can be a tricky proposition at best.

Travelling from England to the US would be an expensive and time consuming proposition.

Alicia

#36

I think this statement about only a handful of electrologists who won’t leave you scarred is both misleading and damaging to the reputation of electrologists. I would think it would be
the other way around. People should go to someone who is professionally trained, has experience
and could provide references if needed.

Alicia

#37

Yes, it is difficult for us all to understand. But just spend some time on the threads where UK users are discussing this and you will see for yourself. Just take a look at the BAIE directory and call up all the London based ones - half of them don’t practise any more!

The GOOD electrologists, such as my own, have old tech and cannot do comparable work.

My sister and I have not taken our decision lightly. If you read my post you would see why we would rather abroad for 2 or 3 clearances, so that our electrologist is left with an amount of work she can cope with.

For us:

Time consuming? No. A few days in the states every 2 months x 3, is better than 4hours every weekend (1hr electrolysis, 3 hour total journey, and yes, she is the closest competent one), week after week, month after month.

Expensive? No. Tickets plus treatment cost for one clearance is not much more than a 9hr package with our current electrologist. And just to give you an example, my sister has had 1hr of upper lip treatment over 3 weeks and there is still no visible reduction in the amount of hair. And she needs her whole face and neck ‘done’. Could she be cleared in 9hours with our current electrologist? I sincerely doubt it.

As I said, everyone needs to look at their own situation and what is available. If one has an area that can be cleared in a few hours by a local electrologist, great!

And I take exception to what you say about trying to convince. If you read all my posts, you will see I’m trying to be as objective as possible. The electrologist that this person is going to see in Lodnon is my own! I’m very happy with her, she does great work. Lots of Hairtell users go to her after my recommendations because she’s one of the only decent ones in London! The others being her colleagues in the same salon!
But do I think he can get clearance with her in one month? Sorry, I have difficultly believing that. But as I suggested, he should totally go for a consult and maybe even trial her to get a better idea for himself.

#38

[quote=“aliciadarling”]

I think this statement about only a handful of electrologists who won’t leave you scarred is both misleading and damaging to the reputation of electrologists. I would think it would be
the other way around. People should go to someone who is professionally trained, has experience
and could provide references if needed.

Alicia [/quote]

Alicia, I am speaking from experience. I’m not sure why you think I’m out to mislead people. As I said in my previous post, just read some of the UK/London user threads and the electrologists they have trialled, the experiences they have had.

The fact is that there are only a handful of electrologists in London that can offer competent treatment but again, not on the same level as James or Dee! They are using the most basic machines!

#39

Hi:

If an electrologist is well trained and experienced then they can do quality work with slightly older equipment.

What I was objecting to was that you were claiming that only a handful of electrologists are capable of treating people without permanent scarring.

Also I don’t believe that there are so few competent electrologists in the UK as you claim. Maybe you haven’t found them since they don’t advertise themselves very well, but if
you go by recommendations of actual users you should be able to find them.

Alicia

#40

Alicia - I joined this forum 2 years ago for such recommendations. There were only 2 recommendations for the London and surrounding area. One works for the NHS on TG patients as could only do max 20min appointments and then stopped taking new ones altogether. The other who could do longer appointments as she worked from home, had stopped electrolysis as she had had a baby. She had no plans to resume practise.
Obviously, I then had to find a competent electrologist from scratch and I was successful. This forum helped me a lot in establishing what constitutes good electrolysis.

In the UK, you can drive down any high street and see many salons offering electrolysis in their windows. I would never go near them unless they came recommended as they have beauty therapists who only did a few hours of electrolysis training during their beauty training course (NVQ).

The BIAE directory is therefore, the first place to look for properly trained electrologists. The only ones on the BIAE in the London area who still work and still take on clients, are my electrologist and her 2 colleagues.

If you don’t believe me, that’s your right. I’m only saying what myself and the other London based users have found. I feel it’s no coincidence that after their own journeys trying to find competent electrologists and going to consultations, there are 6 other HairTell members who now see my electrologist.