I won’t know what she will be using till I show, but from what she say’s thermolysis.
It’s a relief to know that 10 hairs per min is more acceptable. I was just making assumptions. Let’s hope she is isn’t as frugal as I am; maybe I can pitch her some BS about hard times with the economy…lol.
I know you were joking, but it must be said; don’t BS her about hard times and the economy. Do what you have been told. Just simply ask her if she would be willing to give you a discount in exchange for nothing more than you paying up front. Anything else could insult her. What she gets from your offer as directed, is some security, and the relative assurance that YOU won’t blow off any appointments. Her work is probably worth more than she already is charging, and with inflation being what it is, she probably should increase the price every year just to stay even. The average yearly inflation has been 3% a year just during the time that I have been in this industry. Just to get paid the same rate I started, I would have had to have increased my prices by 60% during that time to maintain the purchasing power of the rate I charged when I began working. And that explains why so many of my friends are now charging around $150 per hour.
On the hairs removed per hour thing, every case is different. If the electrologist is having to do two or three zaps per hair, then that is a sign that she/he needs to adjust the timing or intensity to cut it to one zap per hair. Levels need to be changed as hair structure changes. Yes, sometimes we have hurdles in our way with those ingrown hairs or chatty clients who move too much (I will comment to them that I go go faster if there is no talking or movement)but, if an electrologist uses the better computerized epilators, she or he can reach levels of between 500-1,000 + ? insertions per hour. I personally fall in the 600-800 range, but I could go faster if I was a caffeine drinker. I am more focused on making accurate insertions than the speed factor. Both can be accomplished and I don’t think 600-800 insertions an hour is anything to smirk about.
The main thing, Analogies, is to not give up at 6 months. You should see signs that the hair is being affected, but you won’t be through. It takes 9-12 months at minimum to be finished because of hair growth cycles. Get cleared, stay cleared. This requires longer appointments up front, more frequently. By month 4-6 (maybe sooner depending on the case) those appointments spread out to once every 4-6 weeks, with shorter sessions. The faster modes of thermolysis are your best bet for getting the hair off and clients feel more hope about a permanent solution when they get cleared and can stay cleared each and every time they visit the electrologist.
If someone said to me that if they see this is not working after six months, they are quitting, I would say, then let’s not even start. I think you will see a big difference, but don’t think you should be finished by then. I assuming that’s what yo meant. It takes 9-18 months in the big span of things, however, many of my clients are free of hair worries within 9-14 months as long as they put in the time up front.
Dee
I agree with Dee. 6 months is not when you stop. At that point, your appointments should get less frequent, but you won’t be done. If you see that you need to go in less and less often as the months progress, you’re on the right track.
Considering this is a male facial beard were talking about, you should start counting 9-12 months necessary for complete removal AFTER your first clearance, which will take a bit of time to get to as well since this is a lot of hair to clear. Be ready for frequent appts to get to your clearance asap at the start, and you’ll be well on your way.
600 / 800 hairs are removed very well. I think that is fair. but why we do not strive to be faster?
James I think that the price of our work should be comparable to what we can achieve. Our prices depend on not only having the best and most expensive machine on the market. But as a percentage of results and our ability to remove more hairs per hour. It is fair to compensate for the experience of years of work, and it is right for the customer who pays more or less what they are getting for their money. This is what I think, not what I do. The price of my work is not the highest. In my area, other electrologyst much more expensive and give much less. C´est la vie
depilacionelectr , I’m still unclear about something??? Did you say you have an Apilus Platinum or did you say that you have one on order???
Dee
let’s start by saying that I was being completely facetious about giving her BS. I’m more humble than that.
I’m not trying to get on anyone’s nerves but It’s hard for grasp the idea that all of your hair on your face hasn’t grown out at least more than once in 6 months…
Now givin that that’s true? Why would it take more than 2 treatments per hair to fully burn the root out? I’ve read somewhere that some hairs grow back finer or lighter? At least this would be a steping stone in proving that electrolysis works.
I suppose this question would be more torward James: How frequent would I need to come back if I did just marathon runs with layla?
It’s not true what you are thinking.
It take a minimum of nine months for every hair to come the surface just one time. Did I do the research on this or make this up? No. This is information that has been learned by others smarter than me or shall we say, more specialized in the biology of hair growth. All the hair you see on the srface of your face today is only about a third of all the hair you really have in an area. It trickles up to the surface in dribs and drabs, one at a time over a period of nine months. Some hairs go dormant for awhile and only come to the surface once a year. Again, I am parroting this information. James can confirm or expand on this if he feels the need. Sorry to butt in. I know you asked him the question.
Dee
Yes Dee, I have an Apilus Platinum and Apilus Platinum Pure, I prefer the first one. The Picoflash sounds like a submachine gun. And kills hairs equally.
Dee, I like this explaination, thanks 
I agree with Depilacionelectr , and I can also report that I am by no means the most expensive electrolysis worker in my locality. I can also report that the most expensive one that I know of uses a machine made in 1979, with a 3 diotper circle lamp and causes major scabbing when working on facial hair.
I guess I will raise my rates once I get the Marble Floor and the waiting room water feature. 
Speaking of Marble…Funny thing, someone recently gifted me with marble tables. I wonder if a pallet of marble floor tiles will be showing up in October or December… my clients and readers amaze me with their expressions of gratitude.
I’m back!
Things went well. I was given the lidocaine and told to place some over the areas I wanted treated; she also made me place saran wrap over my face once the cream was on.
The machine didn’t look all that new. In fact, it looked a little old. It read a number of 100? and every time she would zap, it would fluctuate and go right back to 100. It felt like getting a tatto done but less painfull because of the consistency.
I wasn’t too pleased by the amount of hairs she was pulling out. It felt like half of the hairs she treated had to be plucked rather than slid out. Perhaps I will bring that up next time I go. I scheduled an appointment for two weeks from today. I was going to make it the fallowing week but she suggested that I don’t because I have a paintball match on sunday and it would be a bad idea to be in the sun all day.
At the end of the session she also placed some lubricant on my face and proceeded with rubing this electronic divice (intensity light?) over my pores to close them? I was then given some tea tree oil “Lycon Spa” which seem to work pretty well.
I also asked about discounts and she said the only way She could possibly do that is if I brought in cash. Which I really don’t have a problem doing.
Overall, I think I’m okay with the job but I would rather give it another shot and see where it takes me. Ohhh and I mentioned James’s name and she said she was aware of his work…
Was she rolling her eyes when she said that?
My impression is that someone needs to drink more coffee… and this is not James
I think you should check out a couple more electrologists just to compare things. You won’t know the differences in skill out there until you test them out and there is nothing really stopping you from it. You have tons of options in LA.
I would definitely see Sabrena Smith in Hollywood at least once. She has an Apilus and is TG herself - she’s probably one of the fastest electrologists I’ve been to in LA and she treats a lot of TG patients, so she’s experienced with male facial hair.
Also try out Robin Harris in Westwood who also has an Apilus and teaches electrolysis in Long Beach. Another one would be Tina Reynolds at Zap Electrolysis. She’s not the fastest but she’s great and very very clean.
No, she wasn’t James.
I’m going to try and schedual an appointment with Sabrina Smith for next saturday.