Has anyone had either of these treatments done by Layla or sabrena smith?
I know Sabrena and Layla both do long sessions, even full day sessions with breaks. Of course, you have to book in advance so they can fit you in. Besides the other thread where you posted a question about Layla’s treatments, no one on this forum has had marathon treatments in LA. You can call these electrologists and talk to them about your needs.
What is it that you’re looking for? What area? What type of hair? Are you male or female?
I’m a 22 year old male with mixture of redish/black coarse hair seeking to get the sides of my face and under my kneck removed of this burdon. I suffer from ingrown hairs caused by shaving which also causes infections known as “pimples”.
I believe I have the same symptoms as many African American men. I currently use a product called Bumber stopper2 after I shave, and I can tell you without it my life would be a whole lot worse. In anycase, the stuff works great! but my face is and has built a tolerance to it over years of use. I’m starting to see in increase and want to stop it dead in it’s tracks.
If you had a choice between either one, which would you choose?
What do you mean by “sides of the face”? Are you talking about side burns or basically almost half of the beard area?
I think for your situation, getting Yag laser treatments would be best to get the majority of the hair removed from under your chin/neck area. It will be less dense, which will help with the shaving etc.
We need to know how much precision is needed and how much you want gone on the sides of the face to be able to tell if laser is better to go with to start.
Also, please realize that you’re still young, so you will be developing more hair over the next 5-8 years. Also, if you’re a healthy male and not on any hormonal medication, it won’t be possible to completely remove all the hair for good. Your body will continue to develop new hair with time no matter what. But what you CAN achieve is a good reduction in density which will make it a lot easier to shave and will help with the ingrowns and shadow.
Of course, laser won’t work on the red hair unless it has enough dark pigment.
Also, once you get a few laser treatments, you can finish up with electrolysis on areas that have more red hair that you want to thin out and other areas where you want a more uniform reduction or where precision is necessary.
I haven’t had any treatments by Layla, but I’ve heard good things. They both work on TG clients, so they have experience with male beards. However, I wouldn’t necessarily go for electrolysis for this area from the start. It’s going to be a pretty slow expensive process, and you may find out you will be happy after just 3-5 laser treatments which will thin out the hair. Of course, it’s also very important to get treated with laser by someone who has experience on male beards and has a good machine for your skin type.
I want the whole sides’of my face done, just leaving the mustache and go-t.
I don’t understand why thinning my hair would be a good idea? if anything, that would increase the amount of Ingrown hairs because the hair isn’t strong enough to break the surface?
Ingrowns are caused by hair curling in instead of growing straight out. By “thinning” the hair, I mean that the hair will be less dense.
The bumps you are getting are probably PFB bumps not pimples. Black men get them commonly, but men with Mediterranean ancestry often get them as well (I am an example 
) I wish I had links to pictures showing PFB bumps, anyone? The PFB bumps are especially common on the base neck and can form a ring of red bumps, and usually appear the next day or so after shaving.
The good news is, with electro or even laser, the PFB bumps can be dealt with. The ingrows around my neck decreased about 80% after my very first laser treatment. Even though the hair has grown back (it is finer) the PFB bumps are almost entirely gone; I think this is what lagirl is talking about.
It is a guess, but your body may not have become accustomed to the bump solution. You are almost the right age where you will see one last “bump” in facial hair volume; it happened to me at around 20 and the PFB bumps got worse.
Here is a particularly prolific case of PFB that is activating the melanin responce in addition to causing much pain for the afflicted.
Yes, the hair needs to be treated permanently to resolve this never-ending circle of inflammation.
On my side of the fence, I can happily say that I have treated a young woman of African ancestry that has a neck problem sort of like the picture, but clearly, not as bad. Took about a year to get control. She now comes for short appointments for a few finer hairs remaining every three months??? or so. The horrible pigmentation she had is 80% gone.It has faded nicely on it’s own because the irritant, the hair, has been permanently affected. Nothing growing on her neck like she had before. She is beautiful and very happy that she doesn’t have to ask her husband to pass the cream and razor every morning.
The above picture makes me hurt just to look at it. I have read that an appropriate laser along with a topical antibiotic and retin A is helpful as well.
There is a whole forum here on hairtell for those that want to persuse the subject of psuedofolliculitis barbae.
Dee
My goodness!! :o That poor, poor fellow! And I thought my PFB bumps were bad. Mine are similar to the bumps in the lower right section of that picture below the line where the beard starts (mine were/are red since I have caucasian skin.)
Yes, you hit it right on the head. It usually occurs under my kneck or just below my cheeks a couple of hours after shaving or the fallowing day. I’m not as bad as the picture James has supplied us with. (thank god) I think spending the money to have lazer done wouldn’t be within my intention, and from what you make it seem like " thining out " seems to me that they got a couple of hairs but mostly helped with your PFB. I actually want the hair gone!
VickieCNy: are you planning on keeping your hair and just continue shaving it off?
Do you have any progress picks?
Those with PFB can help the situation some by getting a clean toothbrush and using it daily just to rub circles on the affected skin in order to try to keep the hairs from being trapped. This won’t keep them all from ingrowing, but it will free many of them before they get to looking like this.
Your hair is actually not that dense compared to many cases we see here.
I’m not sure what you mean by not wanting to spend money on laser. Electrolysis removes hair one by one, so it will be a lot slower (think 100 hours at $60+ per hour for a good reduction). Plus, what Vicky meant is that the hair is both reduced AND the bumps are gone. A Yag laser is often used on African American men for this purpose specifically.
It probably helps to repeat (I’m not sure if you grasped this from above) that you will NOT be able to remove all the hair completely. It’s just not possible on this area for a healthy male who’s not on any hormonal drugs. So in either case, you’re looking at a reduction in hair, not complete removal (which you may not need if you have only 50% of the hair left after a couple laser treatments and don’t get bumps anymore).
I would also urge you to think hard about the permanency of the entire ordeal. I know you probably think you won’t want the hair back, but you’ll be surprised how many times during their lifetimes men change their preferences for such things. It seems your main concern are the ingrowns and bumps, which can be addressed with a reduction.
lagirl: Does laser hair change your skin perminently? If not, wouldn’t the new growth have the same problem? Then it would be a continuous amount of laser?
I suppose I could try laser and then if no progress I could switch to electro…
Should I see the same people?
New growth will be gradual, so you may need a touchup here and there maybe once a year or so, depending. That shouldn’t prevent you from getting treatments in the first place to relieve the current problem. Since new hair will be growing in gradually over a period of time, you shouldn’t have a continuous problem with ingrowns etc.
And yes, that’s what I meant. You can start with a couple treatments of laser and see how it goes. You can always use electrolysis to continue or to even things out etc.
Above electrologists only perform electrolysis. Please read the FAQs at the link below regarding laser treatments and how to find the right person for your skin and hair type. It’s also important that they have specific experience on male facial hair.
I have cleared men who are not on anti-androgens. Full permanent beard removal is possible via electrolysis, if the practitioner is skilled, and the appointments are scheduled properly.
Yah I know, It’s been awhile since I posted but I finally have the money to spend. I called up Layla’s and am expected to show Saturday at 10:30am. I asked a couple of question regarding the treatmeant as fallows:
Machine: Elite spectrum thermolysis
Cost: $80 per hour
Pain: lidocaine 20% $40
Perminent hair removal for life…Priceless…lol
I’m not familiar with the Elite spectrum machine? Does anyone have some input? Anyone currently doing sessions with Layla?
Does $80 seem a bit high?
THe epilator is fine as long as she is comfortable with what she does, which she most likely is. Just go, sample and see.
$80 per hour is about par for that part of the country. You’re not being ripped off. Office overhead dictates cost per hour. I’m still at $70 per hour. I’m told that I could command more, since I have an Apilus Platinum, but I’m doing okay for now.