Yellowish weeping?

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#21

Well, Sorry Dee, but I’m going to give an opinion!Naa Naa!

That scabbing on the left is too severe for facial work. You should seek out another practitioner in my opinion.They also left a lot of the finer hair , which you can see in the photo.

I’m going to echo stoppit’s advice to keep up with the tea tree oil on the scabbed areas.Also with the washing of the area. We’ll see how it heals. I have to wonder if you have some skin infection there which is why the teatree oil is good, it will act as an antiseptic. It can also dry the skin, so while it’s not good for long term use it will help in this situation.

Keep hot compresses several times a day on the area.This will help clean out some of the junk that’s causing the scabbing.

Seana

#22

Seana, I notice you’re in Canada?
I’m taking your advice and seeking a new electrologist (lucky number 6 perhaps??). I’m wondering if you know what the benefits of someone who belongs to the FCEA is (but isn’t a CPE… only one CPE in my area and she isn’t accepting new clients :frowning: )

#23

Also, to those of you following this, this is my post from 2 years ago:

I haven’t been able to access that same account which is why I started posting under this new one.

#24

Sally , the FCEA is a membership organization . They promote furthering professionalism in electrolysis, and strive for education .They also are the body that Industry Canada has awarded the CPE (Certified Professional Electrologist) designation to in Canada so if someone does complete their CPE they did it through the FCEA…That someone is member, honestly doesnt mean a lot, other than they probably are educated a little more than the bare minimum . It’s on the other hand, in no way a bad thing to be a member.

In canada electrolysis is unregulated. There is a “general concensus” that you need to have completed a course in electrolysis and that that course must provide a certificate to be able to perform electrolysis. Unfortunately, it’s not true. There is no federal or provincial law or bi-law in most cities that you need any qualification whatsoever to be able to perform electrolysis. Although I consider myslf n “amatuer” legally I could start practising “professional electrolysis” right now, with no certification whatsoever. The industry is completely unregulated.

Now in the Toronto area, there is a program to ensure inspection of premises and processes called BodySafe. It does include a licensing component, but this isnt to certify the electrologist in any way, just that their premesis and equipment are safe and cleaned according to Health Canada guidelines. They have looked at such a program for here in Ottawa, but as there is no licensing, and no laws to enforce even if there was a shortcoming, the idea has been shelved. The health department does make an effort though to inspect premises once a year, if they are aware of them, which they usually arent.

So in canada, any certification or membership is a good thing as it shows effort on the part of the electrologist to maintain a professional establishment, but as there usually arent any requirements as to number of hours or educational background, such memberships are worth exactly the amount the paper cost to print them on in a lot of cases.

Seana

#25

Sallys, the result on Your upper lip seems to be a lot worse than the result on Your throat two years ago.

Acceptable with these fine hairs would be at maximum tiny yellow dots, i.e. just the pores filled with blood serum. And even that only if the area had been cleared very intensely including every broken telogen hair stubble and every fine early anagen hair tip.

#26

Well I’m going to go see someone new tomorrow who’s a member of the FCEA, not a CPE, and has done a Sterex Advanced Cosmetic Procedures course. I haven’t got any details from her yet (I only spoke to her briefly on the phone).

I’m not going to be touching my upper lip until it heals. I’ll let her have a go at my neck if she’s available for a session otherwise I’ll see how the consultation goes.

Honestly, I’m about to give up. There’s a CPE with 15 years of experience an hour drive from here but with the weather we’re having this year and my driving track record I don’t know if I’ll be able to go that far. So much money wasted and you should see my neck (I’ve attached 2 photos), it’s terrible. I get that it’ll eventually heal, but eventually has been an absolute nightmare.

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#27

I’ve noticed that the neck does seem to react more than does the chin or upper lip. It does look bad, but it will heal.Dont stress over it. Where in Canada are you Sally?

The sterex training information is top notch. I went through a lot of their online stuff in my quest to learn how to do this, and in my opinion, the Sterex academy material was one place I got more from than anywhere else.

Dont give up. It will get better. I just took a few minutes to go through your first thread from a couple years ago.You do seem to have sensative skin, some of the pictures from now are comparable to the ones from two years ago. You may be in a position where you will have some reaction no matter who you see. But that doent mean give up, it will get better.

Seana

#28

How old are these pictures?

As far as my limited experience tells me the problem with the ingrowns will not go away until they have been epilated successfully. Maybe You should consider a little bit of careful (!) mechanical (!) peeling in order to open the pores and give the hairs a chance to break through the skin. That had helped me a lot with the ingrowns i had in the same area.

BTW: i actually had done only two 3 days courses, a lot of training in between on myself, a lot of training after the second in my face and with a few early clients some intermediate results were almost as bad as the phote above. (Regarding the ingrowns, not the healing!!!)

But i had always critical reflection of my work, and worked hard to improve it. And my skills have gradually increased a lot. Meanwhile it looks as if i did a reasonably good job. (Although i still see a lot to be improved…).

Which means: You do not need to be a formally qualified CPE in order to be able to make a good job.

#29

The neck pictures I just posted are today (the first one) and yesterday (the second).

beate_r, besides the ingrowns its also the brown spotting that’s getting to me and the fact that the hair is still there. There isn’t much hair right now because I was just at the electrologist’s a couple of day’s ago n she did 40 minutes on my neck.

Seana, I’m in Waterloo, ON.

Thank you both for your feedback. I’ll get back here tomorrow after I see the new electrologist and keep people updated in case anyone is interested.

#30

Given that you had no noticeable redness and minimal swelling after treatment and for the rest of the day, I’m inclined to think that this was caused by tea tree oil. Pure undiluted tea tree oil is too concentrated for direct application. Your photos look very similar to my upper lip after an incident where I reacted very badly to tea tree oil. I also experienced yellowish weeping and what sort of looked like blistering before it ended up scabbing over like in your photos. It would help if there were pictures of the area after treatment but before the weeping started. I would continue to use nothing on the area for the time being.
I could be wrong but personally I feel that if this was due to the treatment you would have had quite a bit of swelling and redness immediately after treatment in the first instance.

It wouldn’t hurt to try out a some new electrologists given your other photos, taking on board the advice from the electrologists in this thread.

Not my advice at all! I think tea tree oil is completely unnecessary and causes more harm than good when it comes to post electrolysis care, even when the skin doesn’t noticeably react.

#31

A few weeks ago, my neighbor Ron stopped his car to help a little girl that had fallen off her bike. A couple neighbors heard “commotion” and came out of their homes. ALL the people immediately assumed that Ron had hit the girl with his car! One guy almost punched him out. Everybody was furious and yelling at Ron; but luckily the little girl explained the situation. (I wonder what would have happened had she been unconscious?)

The point is, if you see evidence of an accident don’t jump to conclusions about the cause.

A few days ago, “Sally” originally noted that she had “dot-like leaking” in the morning after electrolysis … that “washed off easily.” I tried (and failed) to explain what this event probably was (without assuming “who, or what, done it”).

Now that I see the actual lesions on the skin of this young girl (her photos), I can make a somewhat better guess.

First off, I have never seen lesions like this after the “dreaded overtreatment from electrolysis.” What she’s presenting looks like some allergic reaction to something … or even impetigo (?). Whatever the case, probably a dermatologist will have the answer.

I’ve also decided to never again talk about anything except my own work. I will show my own work (photos) and describe it in lurid excruciating detail. And that’s it!

I’m always in trouble (self-inflicted of course) if I seem to minimize anything. I suppose it’s a reflection of what I’m interested in: understanding exactly what the “mystery injury” is … instead of just saying that it’s unacceptable.

In this case of our young girl, the lesion presented is NOT acceptable! I’m still not sure of the cause so I will hold off saying anything. Again, I’m going to keep my big fat stupid mouth shut on any of these forthcoming matters of “lumps and bumps.” I always get my “tail” in trouble. And this time I have learned my lesson … finally!

And, by the way, I’m NOT mad at anyone … I really do love you all! (Some more than others … he he he)

#32

I also considered the possibility of infection, but Sally reports she is in waterloo.Waterloo IIRC is under the jurisdiction of the BODYSAFE program, which means all electolysis establishments are inspected and their sterilization routines scrutinized regularly… If they fail they are given an opportunity to correct the shortcoming, depending on the severity.So infection is unlikely.And she’s presented with similar results for 2 years across 5 electrologists.
Another possibility that comes to mind is a metalurgical allergy.I’m wondering Sally if you react to cheap jewelry? If this is the case it would be a good reason to go with someone who uses gold plated probes.

Either way a dermatologist is not out of reach, as we in canada are in the land of freeish health care. It might take a while to get a referral though.

Michael, dont go changing on me. We need the entertainment! Your “grumps” are often the highlight of my dy, not just because of the entertainment value, but because of the pearls of wisdom often gleamed.

Seana
Seana

#33

In reference to your lip pictures only, this is why I was questioning the 17 second blend and weeping follicles a couple days ago. Yes, these will heal and YES, you should show these pictures to the electrologist so she can re-strategize. That is MY HONEST OPINION and I’m sticking to it. If it has nothing to do with electrolysis and it is a coincidence that maybe it is impetigo? An allergic reaction? A cold sore? Infection of some sort? I don’t poo poo those possibilities either.

In reference to your lip pictures and your neck picture, this is why people freak out about even one little dot on their skin after electrolysis. This is unnecessary and feedback is essential so as not to repeat this for the sake of the profession, but mainly for the sake of the client.

#34

Back in 2004, when I first started working on James’ beard, the worst hair in the world to work on, I started seeing yellow leakage on his chin. Lots of leakage. I also blew a hole in his chin. The smoke came up like smoke from a teepee. I was a nervous wreck. Didn’t sleep for days. Of course he knew I really sucked at treating his hairs, but he feared not. He calmly explained what I was doing wrong and smiled and said these areas would heal… And they did. I was never satisfied with myself and labored on to do this better, something many of us do in our early days of practicing electrolysis. Many new electrologists may give up practicing electrolysis altogether and many tell clients that they aren’t comfortable taking on their case if the hair is the twisted and scary type of thick hair, for fear they might damage their skin.

Removing hair is NOT easy and sometimes we are overzealous in our attempts to get the damn hair to release and then the skin reacts more than we like to see it react. It can rattle our nerves as the client lays on the table picking up clues that you are having trouble. I am making an intelligent guess that this is what has happened to you, Sallys.

I am a little odd in that I actually am very disappointed if my clients don’t give me feedback. I’m open to feedback. I NEED THAT FEEDBACK on healing so I can pivot or ask for someone’s help if I can’t make something better for the client.

There are better strategies for the type of hair I see in your pictures, so don’t give up on electrolysis. Just remember, there are temporary skin manifestations that don’t look too scary and disappear in a week or two or less and then there are temporary skin manifestations that look really scary and take a longer to disappear. Hardly anyone leaves an office without some temporary skin manifestations, but the degree to which it happens is what we are trying to helpfully explain to everyone. It’s not always easy, as you can surmise by this sometimes contentious thread.

#35

Sallys -

I just remembered one case that I had several years ago. A client had me treat fine hairs on her upper lip. She called me two days later and asked what I had done to her. She said the healing wasn’t going so well on one side of her lip. I asked her to come to my office so I could see it. There was one large spot on her left outer lip that looked crusty and blistery. I asked her if she ever got cold sores (herpes simplex 1) and she said she did occasionally. Then the light bulb went off in her head! She said she felt tingling in that area right after her treatment and then it started to blister. Coincidence perhaps? Well, I had heard that the stimulation from electrolysis (or laser) can wake up the virus that lays dormant on the nerve and cause a herpes outbreak.

#36

I am actually observing it from time to time. That’s why i added herpes to my regular set of health questions. Back to the picture of the neck: i had to observe similar lesions too often in my earlier treatments - until i consequently followed the hints on positioning Michael gave in his books for that very region. (Thanks very much, Michael!) Although many clients might find that overstretched position really uncomfortable, it is actually the best way to obtain good results.

#37

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Both Herpes Simplex and Complex have a component of nutrient deficiency. Amino Acid L-Lysine is key here. Those who are prone to cold sores (Herpes Simplex 1) have lysine deficit for sure. While one needs a daily intake of 12 milligrams per kilo of body weight, a treatment dose during a break out could follow a 120 milligram per kilo dosage to turn back the problem. The total amount would be split up throughout the day. For example, a 68 Kilo person would weigh 150 pounds, and would want to get 800 mg a day, and a treatment dose of maybe 8,000 mg (8 grams) a day. since the pills are sold in 500 mg capsules and tablets, one would take 4 pills 4 times a day as a treatment dose, and one pill twice a day as a maintenance dose, if one’s food intake were low in lysine.

One would also want to get Red Marine Algae at 1,000 milligrams per day for a maintenance dose, and 2,500 mg per day during a break out.
A good brand of Red Marine Algae

This would be a good thing to try regardless of the type of herpes being observed.

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#38

I’m not entirely sure what to make of the responses but thanks for all of your replies.

I really doubt it’s herpes as I’ve never had cold sores before nor have I come in contact with anyone who has… As for the other guesses, who knows. Regardless it’s getting better and not worse. No more pus, the redness is receding and it’s definitely smaller (I’m comparing pictures).

anyway, thanks again.

#39

If anyone’s curious, it definitely looks better to me.

I stopped putting everything on it. Washed with a gentle soap and water. Did one hot saline bath for 5 minutes. And I moisturized before I went to bed because it was looking very very very dry.

This morning I showered, and when I got out of the shower bits of it were moist and peeling off. I moisturized when I got out of the shower. And this is right now.

P.S. my upper lip looks horrid up close haha you can barely see these hairs in real life. eeekk.

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#40

Thanks, Sallys, for the picture. You are doing a great job taking care of it.

We talk to a general audience so, it is easy to go off on tangents and discuss all kinds of things that we see in the electrolysis process so others may learn.