Hello lovelies , Thanks in advance for reading.
My little salon has been going well thanks for your help.
My question I have relates to transgendered clients that I have with ginger and grey hairs. It doesnt happen with black.
The hairs can be real stubborn, I get good lye and thermo treatment to the follicle but they give a heck of a struggle when i tweeze them.
Attached is a pic, sorry its not real clear but it shows the sheath stuff around the ginger hair that was treated. Is this normal or common?
Many thanks Maddy
Always the bottom line is that the client shouldn’t feel the hair being taken out. If they are then you are not applying enough current or your insertion is no accurate.
Hi Jd , these hairs are actually mine, I have the same on a trans client.
On myself i tried a variation of higher galvanic to no prevail, then i tried higher thermolysis , this did nothing to release the hairs , only caused white circle scarring and scabbing.
I have tried varying probe depth from shallow to maximum depth , no different.
I tried circling the probe around the hair, no different, the little buggers just dont slide .
I have that problem with a client. A lady in her late 60s with white/gray hair that has been plucking her entire life.
I tried both blend and thermolysis, both set at maximum intensity because her pain tolerance is high and depth is correct.
The darker hair come out as they should with a nice juicy bulb. The other hairs i get a gooey shealth and no black bulb? Also i have traction extracting these hairs.
The skin around these problem hairs are tight to the follicle, i bend a lot of probes trying to insert.
So my question is if snyone else has this experience and what is the solutions.
She also has the odd
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This is what you want to see. It the hair was treated with good energy levels and it slides out with no traction then great! If you see the root sheath attached - GREAT! If you are using blend, you might see some froth.
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Hi Deedra, thanks for your help.
Thanks for confirming that the sheith stuff is normal.
Although I treat the heck out of these hairs they still put up resistance when tweezing them.
Is that normal for grey and ginger face hair covered in sheith stuff?
Sincerely Maddy
There should be no resistance when lifting out the hair. That means it’s not disabled and there will be regrowth. The presets on most epilators are not enough. You have to usually add more intensity or timing.
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Yes , i thought that and as it was my own face i experimented,
I turned the machine up on galvanic creating huge amounts of bubbling lye with a standard 40% thermolysis , same resistance with post treatment scabbing.
Then i reset the galvanic back to my general setting and turned up the Thermolysis , this gave me little white circles around the follicle still with a general amount of lye.
I tried longer treatments, double treating , triple treating 1 hair and as many combinations as possible with out any good slide results.
Depth variations , circling the probe around the hair in the follicle , I cant figure it out.
I’m sought of starting to think its just that im pulling a big fat sheath coated hair through a tiny follicle sized hole . Its no where near the resistance of a non treated hair but its not like sliding a dark one .
Fischer cbx blend machine 
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Be careful with thermolysis creating white circles, that is one sign of over-treatment, especially if it’s instant skin blanching when you deliver energy.
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Thanks Fenix.
I appreciate the advice thank you.
This is typical of thick grey hairs on the face. They tend to come out with a “pop” rather than a slide, but it definitely should never feel like tweezing or pulling the hair out. You’ll find the right approach for you as long as the skin is left without any concerning reactions. For these hairs, I found my rhythm doing variable depth thermolysis. A quick pulse at the top of the follicle and then leave the energy on as you slide down to the bulb. It should take around 1-2 seconds per hair, but you need to start gentle with the thermolysis and only increase as needed.
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Thanks Thermo
That is whats happening, thanks for the advice too, i will give it a go
I’ve had similar issues, mostly with the grey hairs. I find pre-treatment with a really good exfoliant helps loosen things up a bit before I even start tweezing.
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Sometimes those hairs are just really tightly anchored. Have you tried a slightly longer dwell time with your electrolysis? Or maybe a different current waveform?
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Thanks Plolmant 
Longer treatment time yes, not sure what you mean by a different wave form but i have tried Galv only, Therm only, Blend, High Galv low therm, High therm Low galv and its all the same as my initial blend settings to remove the hair but in testing I gave myself overtreatment signs. Oh yep i practice on myself, never on a client, i have a few mongrel wiskers left 
Im thinking its just normal. Its not like an untreated hair but doesn’t slide like a coloured hair 
Thanks Hadiyaafreen 
Thermo,
I’m wondering about the technique you described. I’m wondering about the equipment you are using and thermolysis Intensity.If you have the current going for 1-2 seconds this doesnt sound like programming on any Apilus. Are you using Instantron? What intensity are you using for that period of time?
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"Hey Maddy, congrats on the success of your salon! Yes, ginger and grey hairs can be more stubborn due to their texture. The sheath around the hair could be a protective layer, making it harder to remove. Try using fine-tipped tweezers, and if needed, a second treatment might help. You’re doing great – keep up the awesome work!
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I used a Sterex SX-B, which is not a computerised machine and has no programming or presets. I’m not too familiar with the Fischer that Maddy has, but it seems like she might also work without a lot of programming.
The SX-B goes up to 100 for HF, and I would stay within an intensity of 20-30 for facial work. Most hairs would be fine with just over 1 second of exposure, while the really thick, grey hairs tended to need 2 seconds. The probes were a mix of regular Ballet and insulated Sterex, but I didn’t find a noticeable difference in outcome between the two.
I started doing this approach because I found, at least for me, that it was more efficient than inserting directly down to the bulb and waiting for the current to rise in the follicle. Instead, I could gently treat the upper section, treat the middle on the way down and then focus a bulk of the remaining current on the bulb while also allowing the current to rise in the follicle somewhat. I hope that makes sense.
And most importantly, I found it to be a gentle approach without any blanching or even scabbing, but as I recommended to Maddy, I think it’s important to start the HF on the lower side and find the right level, especially if you’re used to working in higher intensity with flash.
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Hi Hadi thanks for your advice.
Im turning up the treatment time from the preset 90ul for thickest hair to 125ul and the extra time works well. The resistance isn’t that of an untreated hair its just more than that of a black hair. Black hais go almost like jelly at times, its so awesome. The greys seem so dry, stiff, dead type thing.
The treatments are working well, im just trying to be better.
Thanks for your help
Maddy