What about EpilFree?

Controversial & Unproven Methods Nonprescription Topical Preparations
#14

You came on here, hairpro, with your declarations and you promise more testimonials from others. They are welcome to say whatever they want here. Will we still know anything about this product because of anecdotal evidence? No, we won’t. What I am interested in is the actual mechanism of action - the why’s and ways that make this system superior. That’s all.

If the good doctor desires to defend these claims, he can present himself and earn that DR. in front of is name. What are his credentials? Has he written peer reviewed papers about this?
You see, there are so many “liars” in this world when it comes to permanent hair removal, thus this website’s creation, that we don’t take favorably to glossy testimonials unless we can get answers to the science behind why it works.

I’ve spent too much time on this. Introduce Dr.Konis to us, please. Its not up to me to contact him and then report back here. It’s his product/invention, I assume, and he can convince the consumers here. We are all ears, but we will ask questions. Sorry if you think that is being sarcastic and feisty.

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#15

Hi All~ I have been in the Health and Beauty Industry since the early 80’s college educated as a clinical dietition, Kree graduate from NYC in electrolysis, paramedical aesthetics in NY and Fl and a CME. Having said that, I am well aware how each of the different technologies work. Electrology =electrocoagulation, LHR absorbing the energy in hair shaft and bulge, and now epilfreeusa by absorbing the treatment solution where it has successfully been epilated all working on the growing or anagen hairs and working with the hair cycle.

I could provide the post epilation treatment solution- ActivatorA content and Post epilation treatment toner B content. I have worked with this product for some months now and have and have seen result past the 8-13 week cycle and see it as another tool in my toolbox to help my clients/patients rid themselves of unwanted hair. I appreciate your interest.

#16

Thanks for the explanations…you’re right, I can only imagine what you have seen and heard over the years! My apologies! I will contact the developer of Epilfree and invite him to post.
I will be happy to be persistant with getting scientific information to you and the consumers. I’ve been so excited about the results and possibilities it didn’t occur to me that maybe you’ve heard this before…duh! Is there a way I can attach some data that’s already printed?

#17

It depends on the format of the data. If you can cut and paste it like you do an email, it will transfer directly into the reply box.

If it is a PDF file, it should still transfer, unless the PDF file is of photographs of a paper, or magazine, then it won’t do the cut and paste, because it is a picture file. In any case where you can’t transfer the info, just email it to Andrea and/or me, and we will take care of it.

PS, I hope that little video song link lowered everyone’s blood pressure. :grin:

#18

Sorry, James, I haven’t listened. I will listen later though. My BP is already low enough.

All I care about is details, ingredients and double-blind studies. I’m not impressed by tease statements and personal testimonials because people frequently lie for monetary gain.

Thanks hairpro and HRgenius. Hope you can take this to another level.

Dee

Oh, I just noticed that both of you registered on the same day, talking about the same subject. Do you know each other?

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#19

I loved that video!!! Of Course HRGenius and I know each other! We have both had extremely good results with Epilfree. I’ve been in contact with Andrea to get information and put together, along with the manufacturer in Europe, all of the study documentation we need to substantiate our claims. I feel like this is a wonderful opportunity to earn the respect of others in our industry. As HRGenius stated “Epilfree can be a wonderful tool in a hair removers toolbox”. The method works on blonde, red, gray and downy facial hair beautifully along with all other colors and skin types in my experience. I totally understand the need for documentation and support for our claims and I am taking the steps to have those.

#20

We’re eager to learn, hairpro.

In the meantime, could you tell everyone how this works. Talk to us like you would talk to a real person in your shop seeking Epilfree. Just do a consult on here and tell us about how this works, how it feels, timelines, etc.

We’d be delighted to listen.

Dee

#21

Hi Dee…
Thanks, I’d love to explain the procedure. When someone comes in for an Epilfree treatment the first thing we do, of course, is sit down and have a consultation. (Pryor to coming, they have been advised to leave whatever area they are going to have treated clean. In other words, no make up, no deodorant, no body lotions etc.) We then go through a Consultation, Consent and Health Statement sheet line by line in order to educate our client on what they can expect. Name__________________________________________________________________________

Address________________________City /State/Zipcode_________________________________

Phone______________ Cell Phone___________________ E-Mail__________________________

Drivers License #____________________________

I hereby give my consent to have my hair removed using the Epilfree System.
It has been explained to me that the hair removal is not immediate or absolute, but that the quantity of hair is reduced over time. 
I confirm that I have received an explanation of the method of treatment, of the sprays and their components.
I have received an explanation of the expected results, which includes halting the growth of the majority of hair.
I understand that the number of treatments needed to reach my desired result, will be anywhere from 2 to 10 treatments and in some cases more may be necessary.
I am aware that hair growth cycles are 3-6 months long, so treatments must continue for at least 12 months in order to cover the majority of the growth cycles. In the case of hormonal problems, the treatment period may be longer and the number of treatments greater.
I understand that the way in which hair grows depends on many and varied factors, so that the results may differ from one person to another, as well as in different parts of the body.
It has been explained to me that I must avoid being in the sun on the day of treatment in order to prevent the possibility of pigmentation, which causes brown patches on the skin.

Side Effects
I have received an explanation that there might be a light burning sensation in some sensitive areas during the treatment.
I understand that a slight redness might appear for a short time after the treatment from the waxing.

Health Statement
I hereby declare that I am not suffering from any skin disease or skin problems or any other condition that might prevent me from obtaining the hair removal treatment.
If there are problems, please give details:___________________________________________________
I declare that I do not take any medication that might interfere with the treatment.
If you do, please give details:_____________________________________________________________
In case of any doubt, on the part of the client or of the treatment facility, concerning any skin problems of the client, a specialist must be consulted.
Do you consider yourself to have very sensitive skin?
In the case of a minor, the signature of one of the parents is required.

Name date print

During this consultation I explain that the hair will be waxed off in a way that removes the root seed and the sheath. After the waxing the first solution gets a shake and is sprayed on the area and massaged into the skin against the direction of the hair growth. The first spray is an activator and it expands the already open hair follicle. The solution takes from 3 to 5 minutes to work and will leave the follicle expanded for 30 minutes. Next: Part B is shaken as well and sprayed on the area being treated. It is vigorously massaged into the skin the opposite direction of the hair growth. The area is then wrapped in saran wrap for 30 minutes. Unless the patient is having the treatment on their face we let them get dressed and leave, with instructions to remove the saran in 30 minutes and not to shower for 5 hours. On the face we keep the patient in the spa for the 30 minutes and we tell them we want them to cleanse their face in 3 hours.
I also explain in detail about the cycles of hair growth, so our client understands that the only hair we can treat at that time is the hair that is in the anagen phase. This is one of the most important parts of the consultation. It is imperative that the client fully understands the phases of hair growth. We also explain at this time about the number of hair follicles on the human body and break it down to the square inch, explaining that there are approximately 2500 hair follicles per square inch of skin! That really puts things in perspective for them in understanding why the process takes a period of time. I do tell them they will see significant results after the first treatment…and they do.
The only side effect besides redness that has been experienced is a slight burning in some sensative areas, like the face, bikini or brazilian. Periodically the underarms.
By this time my client is ready to proceed and knows what to expect. The first thing we do is take a picture of the area before being treated each time they come. We also take a photo after each treatment. Prior to starting the technician does an examination of the skin to see the direction of the hair growth. In my spa we keep an erasable board handy and draw the area and put arrows the direction that the hair is going so that after it is removed we can remember which direction to massage the solutions. On large ares, like a man’s chest or back there are so many different directions of hair growth it would be impossibe to remember.(At least for me!) Massaging the formula against the direction of growth is very important. Next we remove the hair with a clean wax…we use no pre-wax cleanser or post wax-cleanser so the wax has to be very clean. It must leave the skin soft and not sticky. The waxing procedure is a little more tedious because smaller areas have to be waxed at a time, going the direction of the growth with the wax and pulling the strip the other direction. Once all the hair is removed…we go with part A, part B and the wrap as I explained earlier.
Depending on the area treated the clients visit is relatively short. We see them again in 6 to 8 weeks unless they feel like they can’t wait that long.
And that’s it!

#22

Thank you.I need time to peruse this and will do so later today.

#23

Hi James. After reading your post on the prior page, I just wanted to add: Nearly all of the electrologists I ever met were actually electrology clients first. Their lives were dramatically impacted by how electrolysis effected their lives that they gave up their former professions to go back to school to become electrologists. I have never met a laser or IPL or any other type of hair removal professional who had that kind of experience. The, “let’s wait and see what happens approach” seems to be common.

#24

“I also explain in detail about the cycles of hair growth, so our client understands that the only hair we can treat at that time is the hair that is in the anagen phase.”

I just happened to read this post and wondered about the above statement from hairpro. IF you just waxed the area being treated the anagen hairs that were there are now gone. How do you treat an anagen hair that is no longer there? except of course the anagen hairs below the skin surface.

why wax first? why not shave the area and apply the product?

#25

Prior to the Epilfree treatment the object is to empty the follicle of the anagen hair. It doesn’t have to be waxed, but the root seed and sheath have to pulled out. Threading will work or a mechanical epilator. The hair must be epilated. Shaving is depilation, the hair is removed from the top and the root stays in tact. The Epilfree treatment does not work in this case. When the follicle is empty, the 2nd epilfree solution will kill the follicle. As the process is repeated over and over, the amount of hair will be reduced.

#26

Thank You Arlene.
Many people wonder why the average Electrolysis Practitioner is so passionate. You have pointed out a good example of why that is, much more so than in the LASER field. Most LASER people that I know were just adding LASER to what ever else they were doing, and I don’t know any who stopped doing everything else to focus solely on LHR. I do, however, know people who stopped doing LHR and went back to doing nothing but electrolysis. Things that make you go Hmmmmmm. :confused:

#27

So we are back to just what is in the Epilfree 2nd solution that will kill the hair follicle? Something has to interfer with the messenger RNA at the cellular level. Several biotech companies and research facilities have been and hopefully are still working on this, but even with these brilliant minds at work, they can’t figure out the biology and chemistry part of delivering a product to the targert areas of the follicle. How is it that you can with your product. Where’s Dr. Konis?

I remain suspicious. What happens if the epilfree client stops treatments? What does the clients’ treated area with Epilfree look like one year, two years after stopping all waxing with Epilfree?? Be honest about this or don’t even respond.

#28

Good morning Dee,
Liora Konis has used and tested Epilfree in her spa in Europe for over 9 years. I am expecting to receive answers to your questions by the weekend and will forward them as soon as they are received.
I have had clients stop treatments after 3 or 4 because the hair coming back was so little. One, in particular I’m thinking of. We did her neckline because she wears very short hair and I haven’t see her for a few months. I will look through my records and call her today and see how she looks. I won’t have my own data for long term yet, but I will be happy to provide what my experience is. As I stated earlier I will provide long term results as well.
It’s alright with me if you’re suspicious…your feelings about this system won’t affect its efficacy. Hopefully, at some point, you will see the value of the Epilfree treatment and want to offer it to your clients as an alternative method. No problem, my friend, it’s all good!

#29

Good morning ALL!!

I have not been on in a couple of days because I have been busy going to Laser/Wellness Spas in the Jupiter area. The medical director of the spa embraced Epilfree and yesterday they did their first treatment! Yes, they have candula lasers and syneron lasers as well as electrolysis too. Following trends in technology is where it is at!

#30

Yeah, but… what is the long term outcome? First treatments matter none. Tell me what does an epilfree treated area look like one year or two years from now without any waxing and special solutions. Otherwise, how can you expect anyone to be excited about the product you are trying to sell? Did you mean Candela Lasers? That medical director better hold on to their lasers and especially their electrologist(s), as I have a feeling the clients treated with epilfree will need them in the future. I’m sorry to be DeeDee Downer here, but I’m remain unshakenly unconvinced.

#31

Hi dfahay,
After speaking with the manufacturers I’ve learned that the long term testing, and blind testing are underway. When complete, they will present the results to be approved to make certain claims. Needless to say, long term testing is just that…long term. The tester who has used the Epilfree treatment for more than 9 years has e-mailed me her findings. She said that after her patients reached their desired result, most come back once yearly for a treatment to take care of any hair that was previously in a telogen phase. I would summerize that the unwanted hair is then at an acceptable level.

#32

I am posting all of the active ingredients in Epilfree, their use and the benefit to the treatment.

EpilFree Active Ingredients

Epilfree is based on combination of natural & synthetic ingredients only, and consists of essential liquids extracted from herbs, such as Ladies Mantle and Eucalyptus.

Epilfree Activator (Step A)
Active Ingredients Use Benefits

Deionized Water solvent

Hexylene Glycol Humectant, increase/boost penetration into the skin Aids in the absorption of active ingredients

Ethoxydiglycol Humectant, increase/boost penetration into the skin Aids in the absorption of active ingredients

Urea Humectant (Binds to water) Ex foliates Exfoliates, conditions skin, increase skin penetrability

Sodium Hydroxide Modulate pH of product Increase pores size – that increase uptake of actives into the skin

Alchemilla vulgaris extract
(plant) Tones, anti-oxidant, Skin Conditioner, natural preservative, Decrease hair growth. Anti-microbial, protects fibers in connective tissue (blocks elastase) to prevent aging/sagging skin
a.k.a Ladies Mantle

Epilfree Toner (Step B)
Active Ingredients Use Benefits

Deionized Water Solvent

Isopropyl alcohol Antiseptic, increase uptake of active into hair shaft Aids in the absorption of active ingredients

Hexylene Glycol Humectant, increase uptake of active into hair shaft Aids in the absorption of active ingredients

Ethoxydigycol Solvent, Humectant Aids in the absorption of active ingredients

Lauryl Isoquinolinium Bromide Antimicrobial, Surfactant Decrease hair growth

Rosemary leaf extract
Rosemarinus officalis Anti-oxidant Stimulates Circulation, heals wounds, Decrease hair growth

Eucalyptus leaf extract
Eucalyptus globulous Anti-bacterial, Antiseptic, Anti-inflammatory, Healing Expectorant, Decrease hair growth

Lavender Flower extract
Lavendula Angustifolia Antiseptic Cleanses, Balances, Soothes and Heals

Alchemilla vularis extract Tones, anti-oxidant, Skin Conditioner, natural preservative, Decrease hair growth.
Anti-microbial, protects fibers in connective tissue (blocks elastase) to prevent aging/sagging skin
a.k.a Ladies Mantle prevent aging/sagging skin

Chlorphenesine Preserves & Stabilizes ingredients Anti-fungal, Anti-bacterial

#33

Okay, thanks for this list. As we peel back the layers, we are faced with natural ingredients that begs us to ask the questions, "Have studies been conducted on rosemary leaf extract proving it heals wounds, stimualtes circulation and decreases hair growth? How does it so this? Concerning the studies, who is paying for these studies? Do they have an interest in gaining monetarily from this product? What is acceptable levels for unwanted hair? Thanks for coming back. Keep up with the good communication.

Dee