Morning everyone. I was wondering this: Since getting the first full clearing is very important, wouldnt waxing or removing all hairs from the root a few weeks prior to first visit ensure that all visible hairs are in the growth phase? So that the electrologist doesnt spend hours removing hairs that are shedding or not in the growth phase, and hence not actually killing them?
I know that continuous waxing isn’t is counterproductive, but it seems once b4 the start of a rigorous program would save time and money. Thanks for everyone’s time and wisdom, we appreciate it. J.T
I know electrologists who recommend this.
We don´t recommend wax at all. It would delay the treatment of electrolysis unnecessarily. The transitory part (follicle in anagesic phase) is of no relevance to remove it.
I actually like it when my clients wax just one time prior to electrolysis, just as temp described above. Many body areas are 80% in telogen phase when we start and we can’t affect those kind of hairs with any electrolysis modality. We need anagen or growing hairs in order to get the job done. The proponents of the S.I.M.P.L.E. technique claim otherwise.
Thereafter, when regular electrolysis sessions begin,waxing is an extreme no-no! Anything that pulls out the hair after electrolysis sessions have begun is counter-productive and results will never come.
Dee
HI D. Fahey… You did not answer my question of a few days ago. You said something about a particular version of thermolysis that is best for curly hairs. I requested an explanation because I never heard about this version of thermolysis. Or did I mis-understand what you replied to another forum question.
We affirm that the depth in telogen reaches the target areas, which are papilla and isthmus. The transitory part is of no relevance.
It should be remembered that the isthmus is considered to be the limit between the transitory and permanent structures.
The inferior part of the follicle disappears once the hair has achieved its genetically determined length and its anagesic phase ceases. The segment that disappears is known as the transitory structure.
The upper part is always called the permanent segment. Both the isthmus and the papilla (even if inactive) remain throughout the three stages of the cycle, which justifies the use of this tecnique in whichever of the three phases (anagen, catagen and telogen).
I would recommend waxing before the first treatment as well to get the most for your money in the beginning. It worked well for me before laser treatments too. I believe that’s why I got results faster than I would have otherwise.
Sorry, I didn’t see it.
I think you are referring to the thermolysis mode called Synchro that is available on the Apilus Platinum. Synchro is absolutely awesome for deeply rooted hairs. You need to use a special insertion technique and an insulated probe. The electrologist much concentrate and not talk, at least, I choose not to talk because it is not just insert in the usual way that most electrologists are taught to do. The Synchro technique delivers hundreds of tiny 27 MHz ultra fast flashes in a synchronized pattern, delivering energy constantly from the bulge to the bulb, gently “blasting” with a weak intensity all those hair germ cells that we seek to disable. The probe remains in motion for about 1.5 seconds, or so, depending on what the electrologist decides is needed. I never use a foot switch, but rather set the auto sensor.
It clearly eliminates the lower two thirds of the follicle. The more I use Synchro, the more wowed I am. I have not been using it for more than a year, so I need some more time to make some specific observations about time to completion. The skin reaction is good to excellent, healing is great and the many of my clients think it is more comfortable than other thermolysis modes they have experienced. My probe choice has flipped from using mainly gold to using mainly insulated probes. The Apilus Platinum has a modality for any stucture of hair imaginable.
I think Synchro is a better version of the SIMPLE technique??? I’m not the expert here or the spokes person for Dectro, but I like what I see with this modality and I hope I explained this correctly. You should probably contact Dectro if you need a better explanation.
Synchro mode automates the process made famous by Susan Anderer. In a manor of speaking it gives thermolysis the power of blend, in that since it is not one or two bursts of energy that are heavily depending on location of the probe at the moment of the flash. It is flashing in a synchronized pattern so that one can move the probe up and down in the follicle with tiny bursts happening all the way. One could not tap a footpedal the way this computer automatec process delivers the current.
At the moment, only the Apilus Platinum has the Synchro, although the iMMpac software on the SX-500 which can also be added to the SM-500 and Senior II models has a close approximation.
Okay someone is stealing my thread! But thanks Dfahey, that IS what I was askin. Doing just ONE waxing prior to beginning a serious scedule of marathon removals in order to maximize productivity and cut costs for removal of shedding hairs. Thanks a ton! J
You are right on!!!
An informed consumer must know that while waxing ONCE could make it easy for the practitioner to have only growing hairs to work on, and no shedding hairs to be plucked, treated, or remain visible, this is only worth doing if one is going to have enough treatment to clear the entire area in the space of 6 weeks or less. If one is NOT going to do that, one is just removing hairs from being able to be treated, when shaving would allow the electrolysis provider to see the difference between shedding hairs and growing hairs, thus allowing selective treatment of only growing hairs. The client could then either let the shedders fall out on their own, or pluck them out for a visual full clearance.
Thanks James. Yes that is what I plan for myself. One wax before first removal (face not included) then marathon sessions til done. Thanks,J
Hi James… Twenty seven Hz is the frequency of the radio signal. It can be a single burst and the computer shuts off the signal. It ABSOLUTELY does not mean you are getting 27 flashes. Ask FCC for the right answer. You are right about not being able to depress the switch that fast. However, you still have to deliver adequate heat for the right amount of time to accomplish what you want. The length of time in each case is only ONE SECOND. If what you said is correct… it is impossible to move your hand that fast because the burst of energy is only one second. ALL SIGNALS TRAVEL AT THE SAME SPEED OF 186,000 MILES PER SECOND (SPEED OF LIGHT). You set the timing on your machine and the computer automatically shuts off the signal when you have programed it to do so. OVER ONE SECOND IS MORE THAN THE PATIENT COULD STAND UNLESS YOU TURN DOWN THE INTENSITY TO A VERY LOW SETTING THAT WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. ALL THESE MEASUREMENTS ARE BASED ON THE SPEED OF THE WAVE LENGTH PER SECOND, NOT THE TIME A SINGLE FLASH WILL OCCUR. I HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THE COMPANIES THAT MAKE OUR MACHINES HAVE BEEN GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER BY MAKING CLAIMS THAT WE DO NOT CHECK OR WE CAN NOT CHECK And we certainly do not understand.
This is on Google…
FCC web page definition … A megahertz (MHz) is a million cycles of electromagnetic currency alternation per second and is used as a unit of measure for the clock …
The burst of energy is far less than a second.
I’ll re-ask this question for the fifth time with a different color and font size to get your attention.
[size:23pt][color:#990000]Have you personally had the pleasure of using an Apilus Platinum for at least one year, on clients with varying amounts of hair and hair structures?[/color] [/size]
If the answer is no, then all your physics babble is meaningless. This technology is works. Try it and see, then you won’t have to lecture other electrologist here about 27 MHz epilators once a week.
Harvey, read up on the thermolysis mode called SYNCHRO. It is awesome!
What I said was that I know some electrologists who recommend this. It is sometimes recommended for one time before treatments begin so that all visible hairs will be in the growing stage at that first appointment.
I agree with what I think you are saying, too. It really doesn’t matter what stage the hairs are in - they can still be treated.
It’s of “no relevance to remove it”, BUT it’s of relevance to the consumer who’s paying to have hair basically plucked. So it’s important. If you can wax just once before starting any treatments, it would help the consumer pay only to treat mostly hair in just the anagen phase when it can actually be killed.
But that is only of value IF one is going to get the entire treatment area cleared in a space of six weeks or less. Otherwise, it is a waste of time and effort for what amounts to a cosmetic fix. If the full area will not be cleared in 6 weeks or less, one is best off shaving.
Personally, I would say that if the entire area were not to be cleared in one to two weeks, one may as well just treat what is there, but I do understand that some people don’t want any of their electrolysis dollars spent on hairs that are not in full anagen growth phase.
Specifically for forearms, I advise waxing just one time IF the client has agreed to marathon sessions that keep pace with new hairs that cycle in over the next 3-4 months. This works beautifully if you have an electrologist that has the stamina and setup to do this. A computerized epilator allows the electrologist to work at incredible speeds using the auto sensor mode. For an average womans arms, we are talking anywhere from 1.5 hours to 3 hours per arm to do a clearance.
Dee
You’re correct James. That’s why we always advise to get in as many treatments as possible up front to get to that precious clearance. It saves money in the long run anyway! I think for most areas getting a clearance in 6 weeks is not an issue if they commit. There are only a few exceptions, i.e. when it comes to full men’s back. But for an average person getting electrolysis, it’s not an issue to get that clearance in 6 weeks I think if they’re determined and go in knowing what needs to be done to get the best treatments and the fastest.