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#21

Thanks Dee for the explanation. I guess the reason I was asking that is because after reading the forums here, I get the impression that for us noobs, galvanic is “the way” to learn. Slow to be sure, but guaranteed hair destruction.

When I mentioned this to someone who knows a bit about electrolysis, and said something to the effect that I would be starting with galv and working up to blend eventually, the person asked why. I said because in my reading, it seemed safer, and that blend took more skill. This person did not scoff at the idea, but stated that with today’s machines (such as my Senior), that was not necessarily so any more.

So I have been looking into blend a tad more, and it seems to be true from a technical point of view. As long as a person stays with low power (say starting around 30%), this will bring the duration of the galv treatment down, but won’t heat up the skin as much as thermolysis so as to not cause burning/scarring.

Also in my reading (here & elsewhere), there seems to be more doubt that thermolyisis is as permanent as blend, and even less effective than galvanic. So when one combines the added danger (or ease) of being able to damage a person’s skin using thermo, plus the precision which you (and others) say is required for insertion, PLUS the concept of not as high of kill rates, I think thermo is definitely best left to pros. I would imagine that there are those pros around who may argue with the “less effective” claim of thermo, but that is for you guys, not me, to decide. Being a “newer” technology, I fear it may fall into the same category as laser when it comes to effectiveness, and only time will tell us the truth.

Bear in mind, this is all thru internet reading, not experience, obviously, so feel free to debunk if you know something I have not read. To be sure, I am not even sure when thermolysis became a common modality, so perhaps it has been around longer than I am imagining. Either way, I know it is not for us neophytes, as you call us. :wink:

But back to what made me post this in the first place… what say ye pros about using blend to begin with? Is it safe enough with a Senior, using low settings and working up until an effective removal is accomplished? Or would you 100% recommend using galvanic for a while? Sure, galv will be slower than blend, but at my beginning speed, it probably won’t be the deciding factor on large-scale removal. The good news is, since she has stuck by me for almost 17 years, I probably have her as a captive audience for a few more, and since my per-hour rate is SO GOOD, I don’t think she will be in any rush. (Then again, if she sees the effectiveness of treatment, I can see her wanting it faster, and firing me so she can get it done faster with a pro…) :wink:

#22

A lot of information on websites and in books are woefully outdated about the effectiveness of thermolysis. They are not factoring in the newer generations of epilators and what these beauties can do when in the hands of a skilled electrologist. Probe selection is not factored in as well. Better probe selection equals higher kill rates.

Thermolysis in not new. It’s been around since the advent of electricity. The way professional epilators are engineered, generation after generation, is what has made the difference and makes uninformed comments on older websites, books and discussion forums fallacious. We are constantly trying to clear up these misunderstandings because there are no new books that are coming on the scene that one can refer to for the updates.

#23

Since you don’t have anyone helping you with any hands on training, I would say that starting with Galvanic only for the first week or so would still have its advantages. Since Blend and Galvanic energy have the ability to burn a hole where your insertion is off, slower is better as you start off. Later, when your insertions are more reliable, you can step up to Blend. It may be a week, it may be 3 months. You will hopefully see the difference as your learning curve progresses.

Later, when you are good at finding the angle of insertion, and following the follicle to the bottom without breaking the sides, or the bottom, you can then give Thermolysis a go. Thermolysis is only less effective when the insertion is not well done, or when the treatment energy is not correct.

The orange does help you with insertions because there is a difference between the thicknes of the orange skin inside the dimples, and outside the dimples. This give you a path to follow. If the insertion is off, one intrudes into the thicker skin. Secondly, there is a difference between the outer and the inner skin, so one feels a change in traction when one passes through the bottom of the orange follicle.

Next up, you can try removing hairs on your own lower leg. That way you can feel both what the client and the practitioner is feeling. Use this feedback to help you to make good insertions on your client.

You now owe me about $1,000 for the crash course in insertion theory. :wink:

#24

Wow, only $1,000? What a bargain!

Thanks for the input, it will be followed. Oranges, bananas, then me, then her… Mine will actually be harder, as my leg hairs are finer, but that will only make hers that much easier. Plus it will be good to do before I get those few pesky, finer hairs she wants gone.

On another note, I saw my face in a 10X mirror today… I never knew how MANY hairs there are on the face, and I am not that hairy compared to some men! Wow. Perhaps I will teach her to do it as well, and we can DEO as you often recommend.

Thanks yet again for all the help, my friend. It looks like the first three rounds of drinks are on me!

On a side note, I leave for Korea Tuesday, and so will be much busier with home & work, so I won’t be bugging you guys so much here. And I will be reading Bono, which means I will prolly be coming back with more questions, hopefully more intelligent ones.

#25

OK to post this? Don’t want to break any rules.
FOR SALE:
I am selling a Vector Machine, Daisy holder with cord and banana connector, and box of 12 new, unused probes(.003M)
Has footpedal too. $ 235
It’s like brand new, I tried it twice but can’t get the hang of it.

Tons of new gel and patches if anyone wanted to use it that way, too.
Also included: Makeover CD, you can try on different hairstyles on your photo.
Can send you lots of info, just contact me.
Thank you!

#26

It is always a pleasure.
If we have lured another person into this industry as a profession, then all the better.

You wife will appreciate the extra skills you will have developed by working your way up before you start working on her. Well, what I mean to say is, you will be so much better, at it, that she will take your work for granted when you get started, not knowing just how bad it could have been. :grin:

Oh, and Mich, don’t worry about it. We are ok with a post like this, as long as it is not Acme Corporation looking to sell $1,000,000 worth of their product here on HairTell.com

#27

i probably started all this a couple of years ago :slight_smile:

just to say i suggested the http://www.sterex.com/ switched handset

needles are plentiful for that