Tria Home Laser Experiences

dfahey – i don’t think you and i are fundamentally in disagreement, we may just be discussing at cross-purposes.

all i’m saying is that some of what’s been said by electrologists in this forum over the years struck me as dishonest (although they’re by no means the only ones guilty of this) and initially dissuaded me from going straight to that option (there were other factors too, of course).

if what you describe is true, and i have no experience to know otherwise, then if the experts are more persuasive, we can all benefit!

i will most certainly come back over the course of the year and make a recommendation either way. i don’t mind experimenting with exotic products (and have purchased some real turkeys in my day) but i’m sure the average consumer doesn’t want this, and i have every intent of helping out.

I am looking forward to reading reports on your results.

A few points on your original post:

  • Can you specify what specific LightSheer settings were used? “High” is very relative and ambiguous since there are 3 variables that make up a setting.

  • Crusting is not a good side effect. If that’s what you were seeing, you may not have been treated by the most experienced technician.

  • Why do you think it would have cost you $10K to do your back? If that’s the only area you’re treating, you can easily find prices in the $300 per treatment range, and you would need 8 or so treatments spaced 2-3 months apart.

  • There are much better professional lasers out there than LightSheer, like GentleLASE alex for example, for light skin.

  • Do you have coarse hair on your back? Is it dense?

  • I’m not a practitioner - I am a consumer who’s done both laser and electrolysis and got results. I have also looked into home products, and decided not to go with any of them based on my extensive research.

  • The problem with TRIA specifically, which has been discussed at length on this forum, is that it has a very high pulse width of 600ms. This is a VERY important part of the setting, which often proves to be the reason for lack of results in professional treatments when anything over 50ms is used. The most effective laser, GentleLASE, has a 3ms pulse width. This is the PRIMARY reason that professionals do not believe that it will produce any permanent results. It’s been stated many times that this product will likely give a long-term reduction, but it’s not powerful enough for permanent results due to its high pulse.

  • If there was a home product with great specs, I would be the first one to recommend it. However, at this time, it doesn’t exist - at least not one that can provide PERMANENT damage to the follicle. Even most professional machines at most settings cannot provide this. It’s very hard to achieve permanent results unless the machine has the right capabilities and the person using it actually takes advantage of them. It’s impossible if the machine doesn’t have the necessary capabilities in the first place.

there is a little more i wanted to add

We have had some engineers and medical doctors on here talking about the engineering specs of these products and they say that these devices are too weak to affect hair. Are they biased?’

i don’t think these individuals are biased, and i’m not specifically talking about these statements. i’m not against any kind of measured, thoughtful assertion using accepted knowledge from any source, including an electrologist, and much of what electrologists have shared on this board, INCLUDING dissuasive statements, has been very helpful.

with respect to the tria specifically and what’s been said about it providing too little energy for too long a time – their patent makes a claim that their new findings suggest that a longer pulse duration may work to disable a hair follicle.

this could be an optimistic assertion of course – entrepreneurs are prone by their nature toward optimism, it could also be based on too little or faulty evidence. noone knows yet.

however, i don’t think that engineers that have established legitimate careers in the industry would ruin their now-very-public reputations on a device that they knew wouldn’t work. that doesn’t mean it WILL work to permanently disable some or most of my hair follicles, it simply means i believe they are manufacturing this device in good faith and have made some basic investment in bringing it to market with care.

i believe the electrologists on this board operate in good faith too! i also believe that electrology IS the most accepted method of permanent hair removal. that is why, if other methods fail, i am already committed to proceeding with electrology.

i also want to point out that early-to-market products sometimes ‘work’ to some degree but not enough for them to really gain mainstream acceptance, but eventually they pave the way for much better, cheaper products, through early-adopter feedback. (the apple newton is such a product, as were early automobiles). my tria may not work to my satisfaction, i may pay for electrology, tria may fold, but some years down the road a product may be introduced for home use, using many ideas introduced by the tria, which successfully brings permanent hair removal into the hands of the consumer.

The last 10 years of many unsuccessful treatments by professional machines already proved that long pulse width doesn’t result in permanent damage to the hair. Every clinic that’s been in business for the last 10 years will tell you this. And they have treated thousands of people.

fair enough lagirl – if that’s the case i may be in for a very disappointing experience. but i’m happy to be a guinea pig and hopefully my testimonial, whatever it is, will help others!

Any updates Kayehl? Interested to know if this product works at all. Can’t believe its nearly 2010 and we still can’t beat the human hair down. Pathetic bunch of scientists working on this one it seems. Ahh I am just bitter, I know.

We CAN “beat the hair down”, just not with a home machine that’s supposed to be safe to use. Can’t make it that powerful or someone will kill themselves :slight_smile:

Here is what is likely to be my final review of my Tria, having owned and used it now for over a year.

I’ve been through over 170 discharges across various areas on its highest setting. I overlapped at least 50% (meaning most hairs received at least two or three exposures per session, across 5 sessions. Please disregard earlier posts about session counts; I was counting touchups not complete treatments).

Here are the main impressions from my experience:

The Tria can be painful, even more than higher-fluence commercial diode lasers. I believe this is because of its long pulse duration. You can expect to need topical liodcaine if your pain threshold is low.

Tria is much slower than other hair removal methods. Expect to cover about 14 square inches over the course of 20 minutes, and then wait 2 hours for a recharge. You must be very careful to overlap for full efficacy.

The device will stop hair from growing for about 6 weeks. During the first two weeks, hairs will be visible as they’re discharged and fall out. You must wait for hairs to regrow to treat them again.

When used long-term every 8-10 weeks, hair thickness is gradually reduced. Curly hairs become straighter, darker hairs become lighter and finer. The effect is cumulative but self-limiting, as over time thinner hairs will absorb less light.

Some hairs may never regrow, but this is not typical. The Tria should not be considered permanent hair removal, but the reduction effect might be:

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Here are the two scenarios for which I would recommend a Tria:

  • If you’re not seeking permanent hair removal, but have small areas that you would like to be hair free for up to 6 weeks.

  • If you’re looking to make your hair less noticeable long term, and have a high pain threshold. If you need to use lidocaine for each session, this can easily double or triple the cost.

I would not recommend Tria if you are looking for permanent removal, have a low pain threshold, have large areas to treat, or can afford professional hair removal.

Here’s hoping they come up with a shorter-pulse-width, not-battery-operated unit with a chilled contact tip. :slight_smile:

Thanks for your update! It’s helpful to hear this from someone who got great results from professional treatments too.

Okay, I’m resurrecting this thread to say I accidentally bought a Tria (actually I accidentally bought a LOT of them- loooong story).

Before I try and sell it myself, I figured I might as well give it a try for a while. Do any of you think it’s such a waste of time that I should just sell it right away instead of playing around with it? Or is there a chance I might see some reduction, even though it’s not quite the ideal machine?

I am going to get pro treatments on my legs, but I figured since I can’t afford my arms, I can use the tria to just make that hair finer or lighter. I will also post my progress and results here if anyone seems interested.

Treatment #1: Started on my tummy because it’s less sensitive and I was scared. I used the highest setting and I didn’t feel anything. At all. Nada. Could be because the hair is not coarse enough (although it really is rather coarse).

Then I did my wrist areas on both arms (highest setting) before the battery ran out of juice. I could definitely feel some pricking on the wrists, but not even remotely painful. On a scale of 1 to 10, it was a 1.2 maybe. I’m worried that this means it’s not working. But I am very light skinned (the color of a sheet of paper almost) with black hair. So maybe that’s normal for light skinned people.

I really wish I could feel it more. I will be finishing up my arms (and maybe my underarms) tomorrow, and then I guess I just wait a few weeks… Wish me luck!!

My only worry is that your hairs may be too thin to really be good candidates for this treatment or even pro L.A.S.E.R. treatments.

We would love to have your story added to this thread. It will help others down the line. Pay It Forward sweetheart.

I’d be willing to concede that maybe my tummy hairs are too thin for laser (though I seriously doubt it, my tummy hairs are almost as thick as most peoples leg hair, and they are pitch black).

But there is no way my arm hair isn’t thick and dark enough. I’m italian and my arm hair is very coarse and also black. I suspect that this should cause SOME pain, so I’m very suspicious that I’m not feeling any.

EDIT:
Update- I finished an arm (the battery sure doesn’t last long!!!) and felt a little more pain. Maybe a 3 or 4 out of ten.

That’s the first time that I’ve ever heard of someone who wished they had more pain while doing hair removal! From my experience the Tria doesn’t cause the same amount of pain in different areas of the body. I think that it has to do with your sensitivity in general as well as your nerve endings in different areas.

Pain depends on how coarse the hair is and how dense too. Tria won’t give you permanent results. It’s fine for temporary reduction. So it’s up to you to decide whether that’s fine with you.

I personally don’t recommend the Tria. My friend had one and she absolutely hated hers. She said it hurt and didn’t really remove her hair. If you’re gonna plunk down that kinda money it should be on something that works. I recommend Silkn. I bought it for myself a while back and it’s awesome. I totally saw results and it wasn’t painful at all.

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I called Tria customer service to get details on the updated model with 5 settings, and here’s what I was told:

The five settings correspond to 6,8,12,16 and 22 Joules.
The pulse width ranges from 125ms to 650ms. However, I wasn’t able to find out the pulse width for each setting. Does anyone know? I hope the pulse width decreases with the higher joules setting to provide a more powerful combination.

I’ve received the Tria v2 today, and after three uses (all today – as charging allowed), I am not optimistic.

I’m familiar with the sensation of laser electrolysis from a salon laser (I’m sorry I do not know the model, but it is the one that fires a relaxing puff of frozen moisture onto the skin after each pulse).

The sensation that I am familiar with from the professional laser is just hardly there on the Tria. With the Tria, I feel something akin to three hot needles growing warmer within my skin – but what is absent is the sizzle that I’d describe as feeling like the prelude to a pop, the near-pop that to me means a root got struck full-on. Plus, at the salon, the few molecules of hair at the top of the shaved follicle burst into smoke (or smells like it anyhow), whereas the tops of the shaved follicles with the Tria still look like normal, adequately moisturized hair.

I am simply not sure the Tria’s “warm needles” feeling will actually have any results on me.

My hair is pretty resistant (though ideal in terms of pale skin and dark hair) even to pro salon treatments. As an example of my salon experience, my shoulders (across the top of my back) took more than the expected 6 to 8 professional treatments – it took closer to 12. Fortunately I grew to like the experience – almost relaxing. I came to think of the feeling of the pulses as being like a lizard’s sharp tongue (or a cat’s) jutting out and contacting my skin. Imagining that animal motiff, rather than the technology that was actually happening, was effective at making the pain less.

I bought the Tria to catch some bits that were often missed at the salon, but which nag at me. And, I can’t afford to go to the salon currently. Also, I thought I’d do the back of my hands and my fingers, and toes – areas that would be nice to have less thick, but which I wouldn’t waste money on at a salon since they’re not as important as, say, one’s shoulders.

If the Tria does in fact even change the timbre of the hairs from strong to soft, with only that warm needle feeling, I will be pleasantly surprised.

Lastly, I noticed that the Tria manual declares not to use it on one’s genitals. Well, the bikini line of a man tends to blur the line between what is leg and what is, um, the boys… But I tried the Tria on that dividing line and found the pain was acceptable. Not much worse than other parts of one’s body. It just dredges up more fear.

Sales of the Tria are also, of course, partly driven by the question of whether the Tria can be used on the, shall we say “racing stripes” of hair that some men have on the lower part of their johnson. Racing stripes for some aren’t just an aesthetic nuisance – for some those hairs can be so sharp when shaved that they can be a pain for one’s partner. Like metal spikes! Entirely aware that the Tria manual states not to do this, I found that yes, in fact, the pain even there is manageable! Probably because there are only a very few hairs there that needed treatment. But I was expecting much worse. I was expecting that the same nerve endings that provide additional pleasure would be providing unimaginable pain. I guess the lower area isn’t as involved in sensation as one may expect. I will grant that I could not do more than one pulse without taking a few seconds to wait before the next, but, given enough rest it could be done. If those hairs manage to become less sharp, then the $600 price of the Tria will have been worth it!

But I believe for large areas like underarms, I’ll stick with the salon, because I am just terrible skeptical that the warmth of the Tria is anywhere as effective as the “popcorn kernal exploding” heat of the salon laser.

One other note, I managed to redden my skin on my bicep a little bit, by pulsing too close to where my arm hairs brushed over the bicep. I believe that I fired through overlaid hairs, and those hairs laying on the surface heated and made my skin red. In the future, I won’t get that close to the hairs that I am keeping (or I’ll shave them back a bit and not go up to them).

The rest of me, including the most important parts, are fine. No redness, even at the highest setting.

A general observation: I found the shape of the Tria’s head was difficult to use on the fingers and toes, since the head must be in full contact with the skin before it will fire.

Honestly I wouldn’t get your hopes up, as I’m sure you know from reading the forums, Tria is not permanent and does not compare to professional treatments. If anything it may just delay the growth, and if it does that may be acceptable for some, since you can do it at home any time you want, but just don’t expect to get permanent hair removal, the lasers used in clinics are not the same, in fact a consumer wouldn’t even be able to purchase a machine that powerful. Just make sure you have the right expectations with the machine.

Well, yes I hear some people saying the Tria is not permanent, but that seems to be only a guess, since the product has only existed for a couple years.

Even professional salon laser treatments were also described as “not permanent”, but they turned out to be.

Vulpes, despite deciding he didn’t like the Tria, managed to get substantial reduction that doesn’t look like it plans on returning – 3 months out and look at the difference:

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3 months seems like a pretty long cycle. If he gets more hairs popping up after 3 months, I’d be surprised.

It seems like Tria’s statement that the Tria is not permanent is just their way of limiting their liability.

At least the concept is valid – heat a follicle to the point of damage, and that may affect its growth.