the situation in France

But it is really hard to work against the medical lobby. Physicians are not interested in electrolysis, but they are interested in earning money throught the beauty industry. And they are interested in keeping possible competitors out of business. (I tend to believe that this is the background of the explicit law).

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This is exactly the history as it was related to me, thank you beate for putting it into concise words.

Although I am not planning on going into any back an forth on this subject…

I have read the proclamation under discussion here and its amendments via google translation (because I would not trust my US taught french to read it and comprehend it best) and I find no mention of enforcement clauses, or penalties. I further more hold the opinion that what is being discussed here is what can and can not be billed to the national health care service or performed in a hospital or other clinic under the jurisdiction of the Director General of Public Health and The Director of the Hospital and Health Care Organizations specific to the proclamation. It does not seem to address any situation correlating to private contractual relationships between consenting adults in a private medium of exchange outside the hospitals and clinics staffed by regulated personnel connected to the national healthcare service. To say that anything prohibited by this bunch is prohibited to exist is to take the wording of “Single Payer System” a bit too far.

This proclamation under discussion here offers an inclusive list “laying down a list of medical procedures that can be performed by physicians or can be also performed by medical assistants or directors of laboratories of non-physician medical tests”. Further reading of the continuing additions over the years gives such gems as; February 22, 2000 “May 2, 1973, establishing the list of medical procedures can only be performed by physicians or can be practiced also by medical assistants or laboratory managers to non-physician medical analysis; Considering the opinion of the National Academy of Medicine,”

April 13, 2007"The director of the hospital and healthcare organization is responsible for the implementation of this Order, to be published in the Official Journal of the French Republic."
I could write a ton on this subject, but it would get bogged down in an attempt to explain some legal concepts that would flounder along like my attempts to describe the physics involved in a certain controlled demolition to friends of mine who never took physics or chemistry. :wink:

In short, there is no two minute explanation that would carry enough information to bring the majority of people along. To them, I accept your jeers and eyerolls with the patience of a martyr.

In the US, there is controversy over Raw Milk. While it is nowhere stated that the use, possession, production, or even sale of Raw Milk is prohibited, the are proclamations regarding no sales across state lines, and the distances the product may travel to the end user.

There is an excellent documentary called “Farmageddon” that shows the downright unlawful harassment under color of law perpetrated against scads of peaceful people in the US for such things as growing and selling healthy foods to a willing public searching for non processed foods and farm fresh foods picked that week. People are even harassed for crossing state lines transporting their own purchases for home use, even though the distance might be 20 miles.

In one of the most egregious examples shown in the movie, (so egregious, in fact that it garnered its own book, Mad Sheep by Linda Faillace ) the USDA sends armed men in costumes to steal a family’s livestock, farm equipment and even their hay under the false allegation that their sheep [color:#FF0000]could [/color]have mad cow disease. The family worked within the system to try to regain their property, but the government workers murdered their sheep and destroyed their property prior to the hearing where the family would have found out that their livestock tested negative for mad cow the entire time even on the day they were “destroyed” by government workers “acting under political pressure.”

Later the court found in the family’s favor, but there was nothing to return to them but an offer of a reduced dollar value for their losses. This even though the actions of the official folk was demonstrably misguided, and qualifies as malicious use of government forces. It is stated that no sheep in the US nor Europe has ever been shown to have Mad Cow, so the idea of a clear and present danger is utterly bogus.

That is enough to spook others from working outside the cartel system though, so the chilling effect is stronger than any critical look at the benefit to society brought by these wrong doing alleged public servants actions.

There are two kinds of people, those who want to be left alone, and those who won’t leave other people alone.

You will find that a great many things run like what you have just experienced. Connecting some proclamation, legislation, regulation and other magical mystery words to you is factually impossible, but the hypnotized masses just keep toeing the party line, and attacking you for knowing the plain truth.

It is ok for them to volunteer to self select themselves to participate in these programs, but even the programs fundamentally can’t connect you to them without your help. They rely on intimidation and bullying tactics to get people to sign statements that the regulations actually do pertain to them, and that they agree to any penalties assessed against them. You would not believe how pervasive this extraction/extortion scheme is, and how many agencies employ it. In the end, some have the means to send costumed men with guns to do you harm, while others have only the ability to huff and puff and bloooooow hot air.

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Although it would take a legal opinion to state what is being discussed here, I will offer to you that most population centers have proclamations, referred to as “laws” that aim to regulate a thing called taxi cab driving. According to these laws, one must submit to certain submissions and extortions in order to give rides in a car to someone or to persons in exchange for considerations accepted by an individual or organization for giving them a ride. If this opinion holds across the board, then everyone who ever drove their grandmother to do her errands and accepted anything from an apple pie to $20 is a hardened criminal in need of corrective action.

While we all seem to have no trouble saying, "Just because I give someone a ride to the airport doesn’t make me a taxi cab driver, we seem to crumble in a heap at the question “Just what establishes the jurisdiction of that particular proclamation and what connects it to me, if anything at all?”

Prohibition in the US did not end because people petitioned it into repeal. It just got to the point where everyone was ignoring the proclamation, and juries were no longer willing to convict people of violations of the proclamation. It is a rare case of a law going off the books so as to save face when it was not enforced, unlike the laws that make up comical books on laws still on the books, never repealed like the one that states that it is illegal to pronounce the name of the US State Arkansas in any way other than Are-kun-sa (even though everyone who lives outside of the state knows its really Are-Kansas, but this is a state whose educational system is so bad, I know someone who moved to New York in Senior year of high school, on track to be in the top of their class had this person graduated before moving, and was busted back to freshman year upon placement in a New York high school. What’s worse, this person agreed with the decision.)
So join me fellow Hardened Criminals! Chant with me: Ar-Kansas! Ar-Kansas

That has to be the longest way of saying " the path to change in law is through civil disobedience" I’ve ever seen. But as ever you do bring lots of food for thought to this topic, and a definite flair, so thank you for taking the time James in response to my challenge:0)