the situation in France

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
#1

It is disheartening to hear about the sorry state of electrolysis in France…big government at work.

Electrolysis is well established in Quebec, which has linguistic and cultural ties with France. Couldn’t this be leveraged to improve the situation? Maybe the nice people in Quebec have already tried?

#2

Unfortunately the idea that only dermatologists can perform electrolysis seems very deeply rooted in the French mentality because of the law of 1962.

Even before this law, in the beginning of the XXth century, the practice of electrolysis was reserved by physicians, meanwhile electrolysis begin gradually to be performed by non-physicians in North America and in Grand Britain.

This legacy of the beginning of XXth seems to have impact in the current situation in France. I have hope that it will be change but it will need the formation of a French association to lobby the lawmakers, and having a good net with some politicians.

With some help maybe France could allow electrolysis course training for non physicians, respecting a good protocol.

#3

I wouldn’t “hold my breath” about changing the laws in France.

Unless there is a substantial monetary reason for a change … nothing will happen. Lawmakers are lawyers, and “lawyers eat the menu … not the meal.” Laws regulating our industry are often idiotic on so many levels. For example …

  1. In California a person does not need any license (or training) to perform tattoo.
  2. Licensed estheticians are not allowed to “penetrate the skin.”
  3. Therefore, estheticians “cannot perform tattoo ‘permanent makeup’.”

Yes, estheticians were heavily fined and lost their licenses because they were doing illegal “permanent makeup.” Finally, after 20 years of nonsense, this was changed in California. However, this is the official protocol they must follow:

  1. The esthetician removes makeup and prepares the client (with her license in view).
  2. Before she starts the tattoo procedure, she must REMOVE her license from the room and tell the client, “I am now doing an unlicensed procedure.”
  3. After the procedure, she must pull-out her license again, to “clean-up” the client.

As they say, “the law is an ass.”

Also, in my State, electrologists may legally insert needles into hair follicles, but technically they are forbidden to remove “ingrown hairs” because they are not allowed to “penetrate the skin.” Can anyone explain this to me?

I am sometimes asked to attend State Board meetings to help institute new laws. I think my head would explode were I to attend such meetings? However, I do have a gun and maybe …

#4

This is indeed a non-sense…

Back to the situation in France, I have a hope that this law will change because my country is the only one in the European Union where only dermatologists are allowed to perform electrolysis. Therefore maybe a chance to change the situation would be possible with the willpower of some people.

#5

“Willpower” … and, YOU can do this!

Start a website and blog in France. Customers and esthecians can join in … we can ALL join in. Develop a community of pressure and “commmon sense.” Numbers count.

I’m pretty sure that Dectro (Quebec) would be helpful. Contact Dectro and get this started. You can do this.

#6

This is a big project !
Certainly I will do something in the future in order to help changing the law (if it is possible !), but first I have to learn a lot of thing about electrolysis.

Thanks for the advice !

#7

As far as i am informed, there are a few people in France offering Electrolysis who are not physicians. We had that mentioned here in the board, and i heard it from one of my french clients.

Where are You located in France? Would it be a possibility to settle in Spain, Germany, Belgium or Luxembourg close to the border to France and cover the french market from there?

#8

Yes you are right. Some beauty salons offer electrolysis but they are very few. Moreover the situation seems very confused because of this law.
According to the French law, they aren’t allowed to perform electrolysis on clients. Plus training course don’t exist here so…

I am going to go in the Institute of Malaga, Spain, in order to graduate in electrolysis and I will practice with Josefa.
For the future, we’ll see. Currently my heart is in Malaga.

#9

That’s really a great idea.

#10

Here I found the official website of the government, where it is wrote that only doctors can perform hair removal methods; which are not wax and plucking :

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000802880

“Ne peuvent être pratiqués que par les docteurs en médecine, conformément à l’article L. 372 (1°) du code de la santé publique […] Tout mode d’épilation, sauf les épilations à la pince ou à la cire.”

This law of 1962 was confirmed in 2008 and 2013.
It seems very dificult to change the point of view of our government.

#11

Here I found the official website of the government, where it is wrote that only doctors can perform hair removal methods; which are not wax and plucking :

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000802880

“Ne peuvent être pratiqués que par les docteurs en médecine, conformément à l’article L. 372 (1°) du code de la santé publique […] Tout mode d’épilation, sauf les épilations à la pince ou à la cire.”

This law of 1962 was confirmed in 2008 and 2013.
It seems very dificult to change the point of view of our government.

#12

Here I found the official website of the government, where it is wrote that only doctors can perform hair removal methods; which are not wax and plucking :

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000802880

“Ne peuvent être pratiqués que par les docteurs en médecine, conformément à l’article L. 372 (1°) du code de la santé publique […] Tout mode d’épilation, sauf les épilations à la pince ou à la cire.”

This law of 1962 was confirmed in 2008 and 2013.
It seems very dificult to change the point of view of our government.

#13

Sorry but my messages seem to not appear, I am trying a new time

#14

Here I found the official website of the government, where it is wrote that only doctors can perform hair removal procedures, which are not waxing and plucking

This law of 1962 was confirmed in 2008 and 2013. Thus it seems very dificult to change the point of view of our governement about permanent hair removal and electrolysis.

#15

http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT000000802880

#16

Big government always squashes freedom.

Hugs to you for providing this information! After you study with Josefa, what do you plan to do?

#17

As I said previously, I do not have yet define plans. Currently my heart and my mind are in Malaga.
So we will see :slight_smile:

#18

But about the situation in France, if I would change something I should have contacts who are physicians to support a project on electrolysis training for non dermatologists.

#19

But this is simply the business interest of the medical lobby and administration officials who are able to lose their intelligence when the arrive at their work place. As i do not have that ability, i was caused to leave my job in an administration - at about the same time as Angela Merkel fired a secretary of state because of to much intelligence.

#20

On the long run You’ll always have the chance to settle a business in the french speaking neighbourhood of France (Belgium, Luxembourg).