The origins of this theory

Hair Removal Methods Professional Electrolysis
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Hi, I have tested at least 4 electrologists in France, and the most widespread theory they give when they explain you electrolysis for the first time is that they have to zap EACH hair a number of times (up to ten times and more, I heard) in order to “exhaust” and weaken the hair that will become thiner and thiner until he disappear. But apparently it is not all what the experts say here, that is a hair can not regrow if it’s properly traited.

So I have several theories on why they spread this theory:

  • the lack of knowledge on electrolysis (that is the most disturbing reason) and on the last progress of this method

  • it’s an old theory that electrologists once believed and has since been scientifically denied (a bit redondant with the previous one)

  • They are scared to make scars and purposly undertreat the hair

  • it arranges them to advertise a large number of “zapping” needed to kill a hair, so if the hair is missed, they can start again without the client feels aggrieved

  • it allows them to prolonge the treatment and thus to keep their client longer and to have more income

These are the main theories I could think of. Can they be realistic?

The difference between the theory I read here and what I experienced in real life is hard to understand, like parallelle universes, but maybe it’s specifical to France.

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#2

LRN … I think your theories are “spot on.” I’m not sure about the last one, but YES indeed: lack of understanding and repetition of ancient defunct ideas.

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#3

Well, these theories not only exist in France, sadly. However this is true France suffers from a lack of good specialists, because there is not specific school or practice for electrolysis.

As you may know, only physicians (medical doctors) are allowed to practice electrolysis in France but there is not electrolysis practice in the medical university!

I wrote several posts about the situation in France. I also tried to speak with some
Dermatologists in Nancy and La Rochelle. Some said that electrolysis doesn’t work, induces permanent scars… almost all adviced me to do laser hair removal because it is "better’. So I decided to go to Spain to do electrolysis and after that, learning it and become an electrologist.

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#4

I’ve heard this same theory many times only never as many as 10 they usually have told me using the word “several” times might be needed to achieve full destruction of the hair.

I can related to your theories and appreciate how u have stated them,
My main concerns with electrologists who operate with this mindset are the following:

1.Does treating once hair 10 times by inserting a needle 10 separate occasions increase chance of scaring or possibility of them imporperly inserting one or more of those times

  1. to the contrary could the skin benefit from doing it in this fashion ( assuming each time it is an accurate insertion)

  2. Are they referring to all modalities when they say this or more specifically, thermolysis (the practioners who gave me similar explanation have mostly practiced the blend method) (I’ve never heard an electrologist who mainly uses galvanic use this theory, just an observation I noted - which supports my understanding that galvanic has a significantly higher kill rate the first time)

  3. I’m not sure how to measure thermolysis effectiveness but for galvanic there is a formula for calculating the amount of lye required to kill a hair of a specific hair diameter and depth of hair being treated).

My current understanding on this idea your electrolysis told u is that they just do not know enough facts about hair anatomy and lye and or have not had enough experience to be able to more accurately judge the appropriate setting to adjust for each hair.

Other factors I’m thinking have an impact:

  1. Machine settings intensity and timing
  2. Needle size
  3. Insertion depth
  4. Stage of hair growth (best if in anagen phase)

Anyone feel free to correct anything I said that could be wrong or if you disagree

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#6

Because it was relevant to the topic. It’s also a learning experience for me.

I never said thermolysis is subpar to galvanic I said that everything I’ve read has stated that the kill rate first time can be higher with galvanic.

If it were true that the kill rate might be higher doesn’t mean that maybe thermolysis is less of the right choice for someone when compared to galvanic.

I also brought it up else wear because I’m hoping to 1. Validate or contest what I’m saying( so you were spot on )

And.

  1. Hoping that now that you’ve given your professional opinion, which I respect, I can hopefully find another professional’s opinion and if they could have less hostility that would be great.
#7

Another thing I think you misunderstood is I didn’t say the formulas would mean efficiency. The formula of lye produced could be used to make a more educated guess of the right amount to kill a specific type of hair the first time.

#8

Well you’re both right, mostly.
Hairadicator is correct that the modality has nothing to do with efficiency,all modalities have the ability to kill hair. , where thermolysis based modalities excel is in speed o delivering that energy. He’s correct also that the skill of the electrologist is what will determine kill rate, not modality.Anagen only theory, I’m going to disagree with Hairadicator on it doesnt have even a shed of truth to it. We have equal ability to disable the hair follicle in any stage of growth. That said however, catagen or telogen hairs may not release as easily, but this makes little difference, since we are NEVER treating the hair itself! We are treating the hair follicle. So keep inserting to anagen depth and giving sufficient energy, and the follicle will be disabled every time. The hair itself, completely incidental as to it’s release, though it is correct to say that the release and smooth extraction of the hair is the best measure of efficicy of the kill, it’s not an absolute. you absolutely need to be targeting the bulge and it’s payload of stmn cells, do that consistently and effectively, and you can kill every hair every time.

Units of lye has its place in learning, however as Mike Bono was very fond of saying almost no electrologist ever calculates the units of lye on anything approaching a consistent basis. It’s more for understanding purposes, but once you get a feel for this it will become comletely unimportant.

I’d highly recommend giving “The blend method” a read, or even mikes free excerpt from it located here:
http://bonoelectrolysis.com/English%20GUIDE.pdf
What you will find is that you will get a lot more from determining your working point, regardless of units of lye computations.And units of lye is at best a best guess. Again not an absolute.More accurate insertions and insertion depth will get you further, than figuring out "oh that looks like a 60 units of lye hair based on my experience, well that experience is also based on the practioners knowledge of hairs f similar size and depth in the same area.

Sorry I’ve been a bit absent for some of these discussions I would have jumped in earlier but I’ve been dealig with some health issues for my son, and it’s kept me away from hairtell for a bit.

Seana

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