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#61

Actually, I’m too lazy to read all my own “stuff.” I’m not sifting through my own “crap.” Good grief I can be so “wordy.” When will I ever be able to say anything succinctly?

I think I was making the point of defining a chest pattern? Laser, in my experience, is not good at this; electrolysis is better.

We are all, of course, influenced by our experiences (actually observation is not a very good reference point; I concede that). Remember, that virtually all the clients I see (since the advent of laser in 1995) have had failed laser treatments: that’s why they sought me out. Still, I fully understand that I cannot make any conclusion based on this “blind-sided” observation.

An earlier post I made about “the marketplace” is really the only one that I’ve made that has any validity. I will, as Sheff points out, be more careful in how the “public might read my comments.” Still, sparring or inflicting “barbs” will have no impact on what the marketplace decides it WANTS (for hair removal).

I think the reason that laser “succeeded” is because electrolysis did NOT “deliver.” I think the reason that electrolysis is “succeeding” (again) is because laser is not “delivering.” By this I mean, what the public actually WANTS: fast, inexpensive and painless with a guarantee of results. Both systems fall far short of this eventual goal.

I don’t like laser or electrolysis!

#62

I really shouldn’t take up the bait I know…

Just wanted to say that I’ve been reading Bono’s posts for a long time and he’s never given me the impression of being anti-technology but he’s definitely anti-BS. In fact, I’ve learned a lot from him and I’ve laughed quite a bit too. If only all “geezers” were as cool as he is! :smiley:

As for laser…the supplied post doesn’t say anything against laser. It just tells the guy to ask precise questions about what he’s getting into, since many laser technicians are just as incompetent as many so-called electrologists and the chances of getting your money back once it’s left your hand are approximately zero.

In comparison, Bono has written quite a bit about his methods and has supplied timeframes and pictures. If you know someone who can do this with laser please tell them to join here we’d love to have them.

#63

Im sure both ways have their uses and benefits.

One of the things I tell my clients is that you can be only 2 out of these 3 things.

On Time, High Quality, Cheap.

Where Laser is obviously on time (quick) and cheap

Elec some might argue is only high quality.

#64

“Geezer?” ha ha ha … Shucks … well, yes!

#65

"One of the things I tell my clients … "

Well there it is … I apologize. I did not know Sheff is a laser tech! I probably should read these posts with more care. I often scan and that’s gotten me in trouble several times.

#66

My word, I dont have hair removal clients. Do you think you are the only people in the world who have clients?

The bit I tell my clients is the 3 choices. It applies to lots of different products, industries etc.

#67

BIG surprise for you John … this is a hair removal website! With all your posts on this “hair removal site” one would assume …

#68

So only people that post on “hair removal sites” are in the trade?

You already assumed wrongly in this very thread that LAgirl was in the trade. It seems you are a slow learner.

#69

Well James I enjoyed your musical interlude :slight_smile: but looks like someone wants to keep fighting! Hey let’s have some respect here !
BTW, I’d like to add my name to the list of people who have spent a ton of money on treatments that didn’t work both electrolysis and laser. I’ve also had some benefits from both. Both methods have shortcomings and benefits, mainly due to operators skill, and integrity . It’s pretty clear to me that the others posting here are basically saying the same thing so im not sure why it’s devolving into this mess ? James, perhaps it’s time to spin another tune?
R-E-S-P-E-C-T Take Care Of TCB

#70

“Slow learner” … well maybe? Then again, maybe I already knew you were not a laser tech? Maybe I wanted you to say you were not, and state this yourself at this opportune moment? (It did fit nicely.) Hummm now, seems I DO remember you “trashing” LAgirl because she’s not a laser tech? (Maybe I knew that too?) Point thus made, however, albeit with a tiny bit of obvious subterfuge. Consider yourself having been baited.

It is nice that folks feel free to post here, and they should. Any and ALL are sincerely welcome. You do not have to be “right” and nobody is judging you! Just be nice! If you’re not nice … well … expect the consequences.

The reality is that Sheff’s opinions are NOT as valid as mine and the others that have a lifetime of experience and observation in this field … this is just a fact. (I include Jossie, Dee Dee and James, et. al.).

Yet, even with all our experience and observations, we have yet to form a conclusive judgment; I certainly have not! Indeed, you (Sheff) do have your experience, but that’s ALL you have. With that one understanding you overbearingly pontificate endlessly, and toss out insults. I think you need a hobby, mate!

The thing is, the internet itself engenders this sort of “instant rage.” This “shyte” is all around us: people “go off” instantly by tweeting, Facebooking, instant news feedback, etc. It used to be, people would have to write a letter to “get in your face,” and that delayed the whole process and cooled things down. Today, it’s all instant. Look at all the over-heated reactions to a joke, a comment, a dress, a boob, or whatever … and then, in a few seconds, it’s all forgotten, as we get enraged about the next meaningless controversy. There’s no substance to this enterprise! Likewise, there was nothing in this entire thread worth reading.

On-line fanatics are addicted to their own adrenaline, and post all-over-the-place picking arguments here and there, and pumping up their inflated egos … called “trolls!” (I think it’s mostly MEN!) I wonder what Marshall McLuhan would be writing today were he still with us? Indeed, “THE MEDIUM IS THE MESSAGE!”

(And yes, Andrea I DO apologize with ALL my “little black heart!” I sincerely will try harder and will no longer be involved in this pointless thread. Truth be known, I got involved in this thread as an exercise; I knew where it was going. I suspect Sheff did too. It’s all just “theatre.”)

#71

Michael I think you have proven to casual readers what sort of person you are, so even if my results on hair removal are not worth reading, then at least your true agenda has been further exposed.

#72

As a woman who works inside and outside the home, who runs a business that generates sufficient benefits to provide work for 5 people, who feels empathy for people with hair problems who has wasted their money on poor laser or electrolysis, I enjoyed of each one of your words here. Thank you Michael!

#73

As for you JohnSheff, do not worry too much, experience has taught me that when a person wants to undergo a laser treatment, nothing and nobody can make him/her change her/his mind, even if the failure is the most likely . Not even Michael, but at least he can sleep peacefully, he tried!

#74

Yes, you both did your best to promote your old fashioned time consuming expensive treatments. But like you say most people are not convinced and will still undergo laser and enjoy the life changing results!

As a matter of interest Josefa, having seen my start picture in the other thread I started today. How many hours would the complete treatment have taken you, and at what cost. And over how many visits?

#75

…Or curse the day they did not hear the advice of a wise man.

#76

Give me a few minutes to take a look … again. :slight_smile:

Edit: Josefa, I have included John Sheff’s new thread here::

#77

On this website, for those that read carefully, you will see that the electrologists who have contributed here frequently, have said that laser reduction is helpful, Sheff . I actually saw Josefa’s words on the AEA forum (closed to electrologists only) within the last two weeks when she responded to my question about the “climate of laser hair reduction in Spain” . She affirmed the benefits of laser for some cases. Mike Bono has quotes on this website as well with his positive observations and acceptance of laser. Just ask me sometime, what I have seen in my practice concerning laser hair reduction. I guarantee that you will hear a lot of positive and not so positive comments. I actually do referrals to laser specialists, when appropriate.

With that noted, when you are dealing with master electrologists like James, Michael and Josefa who can do large areas of hair removal with electrolysis and you have been on the other side , seeing former laser clients who have spent $8,000.01 to get large areas treated with bare minimum results with laser, then it is understandable why they (and myself, included) are very vocal about why electrolysis is the only hope one has to really end a person’s hair problem.

There should be no arrogance toward the only method on earth, third planet from the sun, that truly brings life changing joy to many, where NO OTHER METHOD can. Your experience is yours, but for many, laser can’t solve their hair problem. They need electrolysis. I think what riles many of us is the lack of respect and a lack of depth you are showing toward electrolysis. Your argument seems to center on “time-consuming” and “old-fashioned”. How much time equals “time-consuming” to you and does that even matter if a hairy person has long, light, thin hair? Lasers can’t “see” those types of hair, so where do they turn to?

Another thing, LaGirl is a consumer of hair removal (electrolysis) and hair reduction (laser) . She really does know what she is taking about from the consumer side of things and she has educated herself on the practitioner side of things very well. She has guided many here for years and has shown no bias towards either method. She just gives the facts, just as a machine spits out packages of candy bars. Who could fault that?

There are a lot if old things in this world that never go out of fashion and electrolysis is at the top of the list. . Arrogance is, too, but is much less helpful.

#78

Hold on a second, she gave her “opinion” which is different from facts, and then in my case was proved wrong, she wasnt the only one. Anyway I believed her to be wrong at the time, having already had more laser treatments over larger areas than she has ever had! At this point I stopped posting and got on with my treatments. I return with proof that the advice I was given was not only wrong but biased, and this makes me arrogant?

Also let me once again highlight the fact that this whole topic is in the section called Laser.

But anyway, since you have chosen to reply to a topic outside of your specialism. Please tell me how long, how much and how often for the same results from electrolysis? Surely these arent difficult questions for professionals who earn a living providing such treatments?

#79

Surely not. I will take a look as I am eating my delicious breakfast… And respond soon.

#80

I hope you enjoy it, the breakfast that is. :slight_smile: