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#41

This thread seems to be getting a little heated and a little personal. Let’s all step back from commenting on each other and stick to facts and opinions about hair removal, not each other. Lively debate is fine, but personal attacks are not allowed. I have taken steps to neutralize toxic interactions in the past and I will do so again if this thread devolves into further accusations and attacks on each other.

Laser and electrolysis are both excellent hair removal options with important differences, and both are here to stay for that reason. Laser results are less predictable, and the science is still not clear on why this is so. Most electrolysis studies also show a small group who does not respond well to treatment. Again, there are too many variables to make a clear determination why this might be so for one person.

Let’s stay upbeat and supportive, even in disagreement. Thanks!

#42

I apologise. I find it upsetting when someone who states they have been here 10 years, supposedly to help people with this problem when challenged turned around and states.

“Let’s be very clear here. I personally could care less about your results or lack thereoff. Whether you’re covered with hair from head to toe or not does not impact my life whatsoever. I don’t know you, I’m not a laser tech and get nothing from anyone either getting or not getting results.”

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On the other hand, you, like many others before you, benefited from all the information I took time to write here for people like you (isn’t it ironic that this thread started by you is called “Thank you for all the tips”? Well, you’re welcome!) for free and will go away without ever coming back. Have a nice life!

Well what did you tell me (and others) Not to have further laser as it was a waste of money (wrong), that it could induce further hair growth (wrong) and to make sure the laser was on the highest settings for best results. (correct) Yes I know that long before I read this forum, kinda obvious really.

But as Andrea has said, best not to continue the personal attacks. Im not going away, as hopefully I can help people make the right decisions about their treatments which for a lot of us fundamentally effect our lives.

Thank you for this website Andrea.

#43

Its 10 treatments,6 with lightsheer 2001-2000 and 4 with gentlelase 2011-2012.

No of course the price is not secret. Its always been around £300 for full back, shoulders arms down to elbow.

Though the Gentlelase even though being a decade later the price dropped to £270. So £3000 over all.

Im an IT Consultant so the individual treatment prices are only about 3/4 of a days pay, so the price isnt really an issue. However I dont have the time to have hours upon hours of treatment. Especially as in 2002 I was travelling about 2.1/2 hours round trip.

I dont agree with you saying that there is no cabal promoting electrolysis. I would liken it to a transport forum, and all the people who make bikes for a living are going into the car forum to say how much better bikes are.

As to the future, I am now considering whether to have my chest and stomach hair shaped a bit, and or legs treated a couple of times just for a reduction.

I have heard of women who have had the hairs on their chin treated with electrolysis for years and never got any results. [/quote]

perhaps you could just continue using laser as an expensive waxing treatment as money does not seem to be the issue but time invested in hair removal is ?

not many Laz/ser techs promoting their various products success with pics :wink: and experience in the land o hair removal anywhere have they all been silenced ?

#44

JohnSheff

Congratulations on your success.

In my opinion laser treatments are part art and part science. When a practitioner has experience with a specific machine and knows to provide good results that is great, you probably found someone who is very familiar with their laser.

I own a Soprano XL, many people on this site have reported that they did not get good results with the Soprano. I think it is because they have been under-treated. The treatments I have provided for my clients have been very successful, so this is not consistent with others reporting on this site. I guess what I’m saying is not everybody gets the same results and a great deal depends on the practitioner.

So good for you, you should be very pleased.

#45

Did you actually read the full topic and see my results picture?

So thats 10 hours of treatments for me. 735 hours for you. Do you want to compare results? :slight_smile:

But I do agree with you on one point, a website of results pictures would be very beneficial.

Thank you! I am!

I think the reason for your reported success is that you dont have an agenda. You are someone who just wants to provide the best service whether that be electrolysis or laser, and you have found success using both ways.

I think most of the people who try and disparage laser have been doing electrolysis for a long time, dont want to move on, maybe they cant see how they will make money doing 1 treatment every 3 months rather than several a month per client or just plain cant afford the upfront costs of laser.

The other thing we have to remember, is that the vast majority of people on solving a problem just move on and get on with their lives.

Those that have failed to solve it continue to post and look for more help. The same is true for reviews you read on most websites. For every complainer there is probably ten times the number loving the product.

#46

Hi John,

I’m having a wee chuckle as I know your comments about agenda are going to rile so many people(i also think you know this and like a ‘lively’ debate) However you will find that most of the professional electrologists and laser techs on this site are busy with there local clients that don’t even know about Hairtell. Many of the people having electrolysis are only doing so when they feel laser is no longer having an effect. These two methods can work very well together, the problem is finding experienced, skilled practitioners, and hopefully advice on this forum can educate people what the should be looking for, so they are not wasting time and money.

#47

I totally agree with you Mairi.

I have a few blonde (cough grey) hairs left on my shoulders that I am considering getting done via electrolysis.

If you read this thread from the start, you can clearly see the opinion by “experts” was that it would not work, hair not coarse enough, I was wasting my money, I would induce more hair to grow.

18 Months later just 4 treatments have been very successful, proving that all the “experts” were wrong on every point.

But when you look a little deeper, of those that had a negative opinions none of them treated people with laser, one had superficial treatments herself, others performed electrolysis on clients.

Perhaps some of these people who you suggest would get riled up dont realise how their comments come across?

Have you heard about laser eye surgery? Dont worry they are still make glasses for those stuck in the past :slight_smile:

#48

Oh YES … laser to correct near-sightedness? I had my “Lasik” a few years ago from Dr. Maloney at UCLA (top guy). I now have bad night vision, dry eyes and a missing “pixel” in the left eye. (Dr. Winthrop, the expert in Santa Barbara confirms these side-effects were caused by laser). Oh yeah, I had to go back to wearing glasses!

#49

Sorry to hear of your lasik outcome Mike. I wonder how many problems we DONT hear about , with lasik, especially long term? I wonder about how the “scars” in the eye heal over time? I know another woman who has had problems post lasik and she also is back to wearing glasses and dealing with dry eye and night problems. Another young woman I know just had it done on her - 6 eyes and so far so good. I would be way to nervous to try it!

#50

Comedy’s Kathy Griffin had a famously bad experience with Lasik.


http://www.celebrities-with-diseases.com/celebrities/kathy-griffin-and-her-lasik-nightmare-5210.html
http://lasikcomplications.com/celebrities.htm

#51

Yeah I have seen that site but its drown in a sea of websites about how great LAsik is. Wonder when the stats will be available to tell the story. I heard a lady the other day saying she was so happy she has cataracts so she is able to get free cornea surgery. this implant lenses behind the cornea and those that were nearsighted supposedly then no longer really need glasses to see far. There is ALOT of wild things going on related to eye surgeries these days. Interesting time to be alive I would say.

#52

Interesting to see that Kathy’s doctor was MY doctor too … Maloney! You should see his office! Looks like a 4-seasons hotel lobby. And, there you have it! (?)

#53

Oh stop its just too funny. All the people who are anti-laser hair removal are also anti-laser eye surgery.

Are you sure you should be using the internet? Its a bit modern you know. :slight_smile: Though I do have a mental image of you using a dial up modem, as Im sure broadband is the devils work in your eyes!

#54

Well John, being anti-guarantee-decent-results does not mean being anti-laser. If you read a little Michael, and many electrologists here, you’ll see that they both denounce fraud by poor application of laser as fraud by a bad application of electrolysis. You’re not being fair, Michael is who else is fighting to prevent fraud in any permanent hair removal system. Please be respectful of who deserves it.

Put yourself in the place of Miro, Tealight, Geeeza, boy1989, DPP, and many others who spent much much money for absolutely nothing. I read that you are thinking to get electrolysis for hairs that remain, (by the way, congratulations on your good results). If you do, you may be surprised to see that it is not as bad as you think, nor so slow. Maybe even convince you get is the only valid option where others failed. I am not against new technology… as long as they can overcome the human hand.

#55

I remember Kathy Griffin saying that statistically speaking, it is said that 10% of lasiks have bad outcomes, but if you look at how many have been done, that means there are football stadiums full of people who had bad results. She said that she wishes the potential down sides were explained to her instead of just selling her on the procedure. She was only getting it for vanity, it was not a need.

#56

Strangely enough this very minute I was just looking around to see who did electrolysis in my local area.

Most of the places are places like Beauty By <insert womans name>. Which arent really professional, and in my experience tend to be staffed by over tanned women, with too much make up who do a lot of nail treatments.

I then dropped on one place, where at least the website looked professional

http://www.hairremovalcentre.co.uk/advanced-electrolysis/

So Im reading the above website, and im thinking “advanced” why not say what machine you use, what technique etc. So again, probably not very professional.

#57

Andrea says, I’m not supposed to make personal comments, so I won’t … but, I would like to! (Oh, YES!) Let me only say that having credentials that you are proud of does not therefore make you an expert on everything. It’s all about hubris.

My being “anti-laser and technology?” … well, not exactly. We have several lasers in or medical spa and I’m about to start a protocol involving hair-removal asers with an overseas company. That I had negative results from eye-laser surgery does not make me anti-technology and certainly not anti-laser! (I only stated facts with no opinion.) You might sift through my entire year of posts and you will not find one that is summarily “anti-laser.”

As Jossie points out: I am anti-fraud and anti-bad results, be it laser or electrolysis.

The point is that there are negative outcomes with a lot of technologies and procedures (new and old). Only a fool wouldn’t recognize this. I think John Sheff is having a good time for himself, perhaps feeling superior in his vast knowledge of just about everything. (Very un-British, by the way!)

My colleagues here on Hairtell (all of them) are smart, savvy and good operators. I know Sheff is having fun with our group, trying to make a “joke” of us all. I think the “jokes on him!”

#58

Tbh Michel after the above post I wouldnt give much credence to your opinion on anyone in a professional capacity. Sorry If I make you feel inferior (that’s very American of you Im sure.)

And I took you up on your offer of looking back through your posts, I didn’t have to go very far back to find you in the Laser forum, disparaging laser and recommending an electrolysis as the first reply to a guy wanting his chest lasered.

Even when the guy continues to ask questions about laser, you continue to reply stating that you know nothing about laser, yet this does not stop you.

I’m honestly not trying to attack you, I genuinely dont think you realise how what you say comes over.

#59

ha ha … good point there, John Sheff! (I should qualify that comment by including only the ones whose work I’ve seen. I might do that some day.)

I am a rare “yank” in that I do recognize “my betters.” I have no problem being “less than” … and I’m fully aware of my shortcomings. It’s what I do!

#60

We interrupt this thread for a HairTell Time Out special presentation.
Let’s cool our heads and grove with K’Naan’s lovely song, Hurt Me Tommorow

PS, I personally say it all the time, “I am inferior to the superior.” :wink: