It’s been a while that I’ve posted here. But I was quite busy…
For a long time now I have this blend machine but I never dared using it.
I ordered the book from Gior “modern electrology” that’s the only book I could easily get in Holland.
But I was very impatient suddenly and I plugged in the machine en used gold size 3 needles from ballet.
It didn’t go bad at all for the first time…started on the legs and then, don’t laugh, on the balls…Why? Because these follicles are soooo clear and I am not affraid of scarring in that area…
All went quite well, had a lot with sheath and bulb BUT I have some questions.
I started with 0.1 mA galvanic and eventually cranked it up to 0.5 mA…Still don’t feel anything almost but I was scared to put it higher due to protection of the skin…
question 1:
Is it true that some hairs shoot out lye within 5 seconds while others need 20-30 seconds? And there thickness is the same…
Question 2:
Is it corret that when you insert the probe and then start the current, the probe slides in just a littlebit further? Everytime after I press the footpedal the probe slides in just a littlebit more…Is this normal?
Question 3:
If lye is coming out very soon, like after 5 seconds, should i take out the probe immediately? Because even though lye comes out very soon, some hairs won’t let go so soon…
So you are saying that you are going to ignore the most important advise we give, which is get a partner and do it to each other. You won’t get the book we recommend, and don’t even read the one book that you buy all the way through, and you want more advise from us? Why? will you pay attention to what we say?
To question #2, yes, that is normal, you make room in the follicle as the electrolytic process takes place.
Believe me, I have read for more than a year now as much as I could about electrolysis.
And I have read almost litteraly all topics on this forum. Next to that I have been under treatment and I was allowed to do some insertions myself.
But Yes, you are right. The book ships monday so I will read that also.
But then again…You could leave me without support and advise because you don’t like the way I started and let me go on on myself longer or you could at least advise me while I am doing it.
And that partner stuff…No I won’t do that. A lot of do it yourselfers do it without a partner. And I know it requires a lot of dedication, but believe me I have that.
I have seen you support other do it yourselfers without a partner so please some support here too…
I was very proud of my accomplishments, no scarring, good insertions and bulb and sheaths.
Now it’s the next day and you cannot even see I treated the area.
Don’t get me wrong I understand your concern and I am very careful…But at least while I am doing it please give me your support, because you’re the ones that can help me best in real time…Not a book…
When you are in electrolysis school, or doing an internship, the first thing they do with insertions (ok, after you spend a week poking at newspapers, oranges, and such) is to have you work on your own leg. The purpose of this is so that you can get biofeedback for your work. You feel exactly what both the practitioner AND the client feels when you are working, and it is hoped that you learn how to tell the difference between a good and a bad insertion based on your practitioner side experience, based on having felt both at the same time, and internalizing what you learned. (me english teacher is shaking her head in shame at another stream of conciousness run on sentence. Sorry Carole)
Even in scolding you, I did answer the hardest of your questions, didn’t I?
The answer to your other questions is don’t worry about it. Every hair is different, and you just make sure that your insertion is good, and you give the hair the full amount of treatment energy it needs. The hard part is developing the skill to know what a good insertion is, and what good treatment energy is going to be for a hair based on the information you have available.
Ok did some today…Went very well although many were not in the growing phase…
Ok here’s the deal…I noticed already at my electrologist that my pain tolerance is very high…So today I tried 0.6 mA and still felt almost nothing…I noticed that my skin reaction is much MUCH better than with blend, which my electrologist uses.
Is that normal? I have light brown skin…
But is it common that someone reacts much MUCH better to galvanic than blend? Because that really seems te case here.
Ok after my home treatment just a little redness, nothing more…
What do you say? Is it normal to have the power up to 0.6 mA and if my skin reaction stays the same could I go even higher? to shorten treatment times?
Galvanic is simple in that the duration of the treatment is linked to the power level. If you use a low power, you could be waiting 2 minutes or more for one hair to be done. Crank up the power, and it will hurt like… but it will work in less than a minute. Most people will choose a treatment energy that works somewhere close to the minute mark and leave it at that.
Although the style of blend your particular practitioner uses may be bothering you some, I assure you that some other technique, or some other electrolysis machine would be as comfortable, or more so than what you are experiencing in your self help.
I would be careful on this idea of increasing the treatment energy. You don’t want to ramp it up too high. After all, the reason newbies start out in galvanic is so that it is not possible for them to make an egreagious error without lots of warning (you would call it pain and visual signals from the skin) that maybe you went too far. (picture the burnt, smokey remains of the Wile E. Coyote, Super Genious )
I see.
I though that maybe my skin is reaction worse to HF instead of DC.
Now on the time part…It seems when I use 0.6 mA the lye comes out within 10 seconds and the hair let’s go around 20 to 30 seconds…I am talking about big fat thick black hairs…
You are talking about most people waiting one minute…that seems way to long for me…
Is it normal for the hair follicles to shoot out lye so soon and let go so soon?
Well I practiced some on the leg…And then went on to the balls like I said before.
That goes very well and again I cannot see that I treated it yesterday, even with 0.6mA…You don’t see anything…that surprises me because when I do blend with my electrologist my skin needs 2 weeks + to heal(!)
I will do the abdomen also, I will not do the base of the penis shaft, I will leave that to my electrologist because she is doing a descent job there although it surprises me that with my own hands there is almost no skin trauma at all…
I will not do the face or weird places like the back of my arm or anything…just good to reach spots with an 8 diopter lighting magnification…
I am just wondering why it takes a whole minute for some people…I am treating big deep hairs here for just over 20 seconds…some even shorter…
Skin sensation is a very individual thing. Some people would be tapping out long before the treatment energy you find comfortable.
Since some electrologists were taught to find treatment energies by finding what hurts the client and working with that as their guide, this may explain why your home work (focused on what treats the hair) is working with less trauma, and still getting good results, as opposed to her looking for the pain threashold paridigm.
Yeah…It is strange…Because even when she puts it on a lower setting she traumatizes the skin…My guess is that my skin isn’t coping well with the HF…But that’s just a guess…
I have another question I have been cracking my brains about…
I have noticed, like many electrologists say, that hairs that have been treated and do come back, come back much thinner in many occasions…
I have noticed that…I have been treated 6 times over a period of 8 months. What I noticed was that the first time it seemed almost everything came back…And later on all appeared back thinner.
My hairs started out as thick black trees of terminal hairs…And eventually they became thinner. And after that I couldn’t see anything anymore…
Now I have seen under 8 diopter magnification that one of the parts where I had very dense growth of thick black terminal hairs there is almost nothing left but very VERY fine blonde vellus hairs impossible to see with the naked eye without magnification.
What does this reducement mean? How is it possible to kick big black trees of black hair back into superfine blonde vellus hair?
Is it because the bulb has been damaged so that it has too little blood to feed the hair?
So the question is: why is it still active after being treated? But with MUCH thinner hairs? Is this because of damage?
And what are your experiences with it? Can a damaged one regenerate itself? Because then it seems useless…
I used 0.6 mA, the lye came out of the follicle, the hair slid out WITHOUT any resistance, there was bulb BUT in many occasions no sheath…
What does it mean when the hair slides out without ANY resistance but there is no sheath attached…
Is that a sign of over or undertreatment or something else?
BTW James…I’ve read Gior’s book twice and I even ordered a study manual of a Dutch electrologist school…Hope you’re not angry with me anymore, lol
Hard to say, you could have either undertreated the hair, and left the sheath behind, or you could have overtreated the hair and thus liquified the sheath with lye.
If you have read Gior’s book twice, you will really appreciate it when you read Bono’s book once
Keep in mind, Both Gior and Bono are my friends, so I am not showing favoritism here.
And could you please answer my question of above about the big thick hairst that turned to the smallest vellus hairs ever after a couple of treatments? They are impossible to electrolyse, really THAT small…
I am scared that they will regenerate and become fat ones again…My electrologist says I can consider those tiny tiny ones as succesfully treated. The follicle is almost completely damaged…But won’t they regenerate?
EDIT: sorry I see you’ve answered it in a different topic but what I wonder is if there is a possibility of damaged follicles to completely regenerate…
NO! Inevitably, some hair germ cells escape the current(s). THey will regrow as finer hairs and then we can really do them in for good.
I treat really tiny blond hairs that are 100,000 +++ strong in most cases, reaching 800-1,100 hundred insertions per hour depending on the challenge before me. They are successfully treated, but it is about an 18-24 month process if the client is complient.
Electrolysis can disable any structure of hair, any color of hair on any color of skin. THe electrologist must have a vision set up that allows her/him to move this along or the client will lose hope.
So what you’re saying is that those left over germ cells keep creating hair but they cannot regenerate themsmelves to a 100% healthy follicle again that sprouts out the original big fat black hairs?
Because if so, then the tiny hairs don’t bother me at all…It is the fear that they regenerate to powerfull follicles again that makes me asking this…
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