Soo painful, expensive, swollen & cuts...worth it?

(This is a repost, I j/ posted this under the wrong topic…very much a new user)

I’m a 22 year old college senior and female, I’m Italian/French so I have a light tan complexion. I’ve done everything for facial hair removal, I used to have blond, dark and darker hair on my face, I’ve done three different removal creams, bleached, waxed, plucked, tweezed, and trimmed. The facial hair its a problem because it has also caused breakouts when it has grown back in so for me it was often a choice to remove it and have good clearer-hairless skin for a week then breakouts when it comes back, or to have hair on my face…a no win situation. I had my hormone levels tested, which were normal and I went on birth control, which never seemed to make a difference.

So a couple years ago I decided to invest in electrology I did treatments every other week for 4 months of my sideburns, chin, neck, cheeks and upper lip. Treatments didn’t really hurt it was actually kind of relaxing we could chat during them and the hair would take more time to come back than the other methods. When I left my face was just a bit red. However I lost faith in it especially when in talking during it, another loyal client was mentioned a young girl who had been coming to her for her eyebrows since she first turned 11 but who had turned 12 a few months prior. So it made me wonder, if doing a small area, such as eyebrows, still needs treatment over a year later…is it really permanent? Months later I noticed no difference from when I started except that there were maybe less blond hairs, I might not have stuck with it long enough but I felt long enough for better results.

Last summer I scheduled a consult for facial laser hair removal and they told me they actually refuse to treat women’s faces because they have found it makes it worse overtime. I was devastated and thought I had no options left, but my dermatologist said otherwise and referred me to someone else with a special laser for darker skin tones. In October I started on the laser, the Gentleyag for darker skin tones. I decided to invest in it because so many swore by its eventual permanence and advertisements/information on it made laser treatments sound quicker and less painful than electrolysis. The same phrase you see and hear over and over again is the reference “some patents may experience slight discomfort…similar to a rubber band snapping” which makes me wonder is that just reiterated by those who practice and make it but who haven’t actually felt it…and did the one who said it have nerves and skin of steel or lighter hair? I’ve had some painful encounters in my life: a couple surgeries (1 medical, 1 cosmetic), closing my hand in a car door cut straight to the bone, etc. I can typically handle a bit of pain ok. However for me my experience with laser is easily one of the worst.

It felt to me as if my face became flammable in small dotted areas each lit on fire individually, at times hearing skin or hair sizzle, I’d clench my hands, cross my legs, grit my teeth, and squeeze my eyes under the goggles and get through it, by thinking it will be worth it, until I could put on ice packs. After the first time my face was red and got pretty fat, I easily looked like I gained 5 lbs. by looking at my face. It was actually funny looking because my cheekbones and chin looked bigger because of the swelling yet one side was bigger and my chin too as it became a “butt chin” larger on one side and bruised underneath. I was told and read about potential swelling/bruising and it was gone in a few days. The next time was a month later and hurt just as bad, but was done faster to get it over with sooner, during the whole thing I shook in pain. This time there was not only swelling but 30 thumbnail sized “cuts” that scabbed I took a picture because it made me nervous and tried to avoid going out for a few days. By the next appointment I noticed my skin was clearer which gave me the motivation to continue. I mentioned the cuts at my next appointment and they sounded surprised but said if that happened again it would go away and we tried a lower setting. The next couple times the same thing happened but half as many “cuts” and swelling for a week, hair would be gone for about a week after that, then it would grow back for the next one. So if it’s not permanent I’m paying all that money (nearing two thousand)…for one week a month of trying to hide and one week a month of hairless skin.

I then had to go a couple months without treatment because of mine, their availability, (he’s a very sought after Dr.) and because of not having a few days to hide with yearbook pictures and everything else, but just went back yesterday. This time I tried a prescription numbing cream prior, so I was much more relaxed. Still it hurt just as bad and I was shaking, eyes watering, feeling tortured but bare it the best I could out of desperation. I feel badly because I knew the Dr. does not enjoy doing the procedure when it causes me so much pain. The bulk of their patients use the machine for other areas or other reasons (veins etc.). He even added the numbing cream, healing creams, and icepacks at no additional cost. This time where it would scab was noticeable right after. One side of my face looks like a fish scaled texture was cut into it, the other and my neck has more random marks, and again there’s swelling.

[size:11pt]I don’t write this with the intent to discourage…for I plan to continue for at least a few more sessions, I feel I have to. I have so much invested in it especially as a college student and I can’t bare the thought that my only other option is to deal with it for the rest of my life. The results so far is that almost all blond hairs are gone and don’t come back the same is probably true of some of the dark hairs but overall not a noticeable reduction as of yet. But I wanted to write this because I am sick of seeing so much about how its near painless when I know it can be very much otherwise and because that was information I was not aware of prior, had I been I don’t know it I would have started treatment, maybe still. I also feel it’s not the same for everyone I think it’s important to be prepared and to know that and that no one can promise you how it will make you feel, especially those who haven’t felt it on the same areas, setting etc. For me the Gentleyag is anything but gentle. But know also that these are potential elements of the process, the final results…I haven’t found out yet…but fingers crossed, fist and teeth clenched each session until I do…I really hope it’s worth it. [/size]

[size:14pt][color:#FF0000]Please let me know if you also have similar light tan coloring and dark hair…and have been successful, if you used the Gentleyag, how long it took, how painful it was, and if swelling, bruising or especially any “cuts” were associated with the process. Thanks.[/color][/size]

a few comments on your post

  • what is your skin type? how much hair do you have on your face? do you have any other issues usually associated with PCOS? i think it would be worth it for you to go get checked out by an endocrinologist considering how severe your problems seems to be. Your body may be developing NEW hair.

  • GentleYAG is a good laser for darker skin, HOWEVER facial hair on darker skin is hard to treat, especiallu if it’s not coarse. And it doesn’t work on blond or light hair at all, and poorly on fine hair.

  • how many laser treatments have you had? did you experience shedding of all treated hair every time? what was the spacing between your treatments?

  • Electrolysis works very well on facial hair. The main thing as with both laser and electrolysis, is to find someone who knows what they’re doing and using a good machine and settings. You are right. You didn’t go long enough and probably didn’t do it the way you’re supposed to get results faster. The main thing you are missing from the equation (probably due to lack of research on your part before starting any of these methods) is understanding of how hair grows. It grows in cycles, which means no matter what, it takes about a year at least to remove all hair in all cycles. What you have at any point is only hair in one of three hair cycles. Basically, that means that with electrolysis you need to go as much as possible in the beginning to clear everything once, so that you are only coming in afterwards to kill the new weak hairs as they come in. After first clearance, it takes 9-12 months to complete the process. With laser, you also need at least 6-8 treatments spaced 8-12 weeks apart for the same reason.

  • What settings are being used on GentleYAG on you right now? With darker skin, there can be sometimes a side affect of induced hair growth on a woman’s face, especially if settings are low. By the pain level you describe though, they probably aren’t.

  • swelling might indicate a histamine reaction or a reaction to the cooling agent on the laser. it’s hard to say. are you using aloe vera for several days after each treatment?

  • Please read the FAQs at your earliest convenience so you can at least now start to understand how everything works so you can attack this most effectively : www.hairremovalforum.com/faq.cfm

You said you have blond, dark and darker hair. Just how dark are we talking about? And who is this doctor who is very sought after?

What are the cuts? Can you post pictures? LAGirl have you ever heard of cuts before??

it sounds like burns that look like scrapes?

what is your skin type?

  • a type IV according to the Fitzpatrick skin types. I also have got no color since the end of August last year so I’m very pale for my typical.

how much hair do you have on your face?

  • I’d categorize it as Hirsutism, More than average & anyone in my family or extended family but not enough for people to notice without being very close up and me pointing it out without makeup on, it does not get long at all so it wasn’t to the degree that I’d be the next bearded lady. What stands out is the thicker dark hair, some is thinner so looks a bit lighter and I used to have more blond then I do which only aggravated me when wearing makeup. I definitely have less blond and light hair now than a couple years ago so if its not associated with the laser or electrolysis than it could be because they became thicker and darker.

do you have any other issues usually associated with PCOS?

  • acne and weight gain but have ALWAYS had regular & short periods except when intentionally otherwise (on Seasonale for a bit).

I have never really heard of anyone going to an endocrinologist so that is not something I was considering but will look into. I have been tested by my primary doctor for abnormalities in Hormone levels and anything else in my blood a couple years ago for this reason, especially because my mom had it, but I was told the lab results were very normal. I am getting tested again actually this week but by a gyno.

The areas the Gentleyag have seemed to be effective on is actually the thinner dark hair like on my sideburn area. I have just had my 5th laser appointment, I was told it would take 6-8 then touchups so I plan to finish that out. I am not sure if I experienced shedding of all the hair,Some thicker hair is stubborn and there’s usually a few strays, but I don’t feel like he missed many spots. The spacing between appointments has been about 5 weeks, except about 15 weeks between the 4th and 5th. They never mentioned 8-12 weeks apart but more frequently for face at 4-8 spaced, do you believe this is wrong?

For electrolysis I got my whole face done minus above my eyes and also my upper neck in spots. Each session lasted over an hour almost two. I came in sometimes the next week so sessions could be shorter but most often every other. I did about 12 sessions all without plucking or waxing in between, with someone who has done it for 10+ years.

I did do a lot of research before spending that much money on electrolysis and laser and spoke with my primary doctor, three dermatologists, and a cosmetic surgeon prior. That’s why I chose electrolysis first with a longer track record and with less available on newer lasers for darker skin tones at the time. I found online and they explained to me the hair cycles as did those that performed it but I also was told results would last longer and was told it would be a matter of months nowhere near over a year. Research reiterated that the number of sessions was different per person, area, heredity, hormones, amount completed each session and frequency of sessions so I of course accepted not knowing a definite date but anticipated some noticeable results after that amount of time, a third less or something.

  • What settings are being used on GentleYAG on you right now?
    I’m not sure I didn’t think a number would mean much to me since I had nothing to compare it to, but I know that the first sitting we went up quite a few settings in trial, the first ones so much more bearable. However he said level chosen will be that which makes the hair follicles swell because otherwise it won’t be effective.

  • swelling might indicate a histamine reaction or a reaction to the cooling agent on the laser. it’s hard to say. are you using aloe vera for several days after each treatment?
    I am using Aquaphor as given to me by the Dermatologist who does it, and Neosporin. It always last longer than three days that is why I have made them aware of it at the office. I read the FAQs that you linked, thanks, it did mention that scabbing and bruising are rare symptoms however it referred to it on ingrown hairs and mine are more like some indented red looking circular scratches and some slightly risen scabs in the curved shape. Still my cheek looks like scales and is fatter and my chin is slightly more swollen on one side.

Thanks for taking the time LAgirl for an extensive analysis I appreciated it.

Jessica81, I would have included pictures on the marks but could not figure out how to attach them, as there is no URL address to them posted elsewhere. If there is a way to do it I will.

And sslhr yes the dark hair looks almost blackish, my hair is naturally medium-dark brown. The doctor is a dermatologist with 30+ years experience who specializes in different lasers for different things, injections such as Botox, mole removals, etc. although he also does more regular skin diagnosis’s. I don’t want to leave his name but he’s located in the Boston, MA area.

I’ve had nearly the same experience, though without so many cuts or bumps. I’ve gone twice here (in China), and I’ve had three welts, and two small cuts, but mostly just a lot of swelling… looking more like I had gained a pound of fat distributed directly onto my face and neck… swelling lasts a week to 10 days, and hair doesn’t seem to start shedding for at least 10 days. This is with the GentleLase laser, and I’m an fair-skinned M2F, so I guess thicker and coarser hair. I think the hair did thin out a lot after shedding after the first treatment, and I’m excited to see what happens after this treatment. I hope to not need to shave often anymore after the 3rd or 4th treatment. I’m not yet on hormones but hope to be soon, which should also help things.

For reference, I also had one treatment in the U.S., and there, I can attest to the “rubber band” sensation. It was less painful than plucking hairs, and just felt like someone tugging at them with sound effects. I wasn’t swollen or even really red afterwards (and I didn’t use the anesthetic), and I walked out and had a great night of shopping afterwards. Here on the other hand, I’ve used the anesthetic for an hour before each treatment, and it has still felt exactly as you described, I was doing the exact same things…

“It felt to me as if my face became flammable in small dotted areas each lit on fire individually, at times hearing skin or hair sizzle, I’d clench my hands, cross my legs, grit my teeth, and squeeze my eyes under the goggles and get through it, by thinking it will be worth it, until I could put on ice packs.” This description is almost verbatim the description I gave my friends afterwards… really, I even used the same words to describe the sensation. It was easily the most painful thing I’ve experienced in my entire life (though I haven’t experienced some of the other things you have yet). The U.S experience was like winning the lottery by comparison.

I still don’t know how permanent or how worth it this will be either; but I am hoping that with the help of female hormones, I should only need to do a little bit of electrolysis to finish up, and then never need to shave again. I have very sensitive skin and shaving every day leaves me bloody and nearly in tears every day. This has to work. Or I’ll have to find about $25,000 more for electrolysis (not to mention eventually other areas where girls don’t grow hair)……

Hi Layla:

I think the increased pain you felt may have been due to higher settings than the previous ones used on you. Have you tried a topical anaesthetic such as Emla prior to treatment?

I found that I still needed some electrolysis after my laser treatments. The laser did help somewhat though in reducing the amount of electro I needed. I don’t think you should be thinking of the total cost of things such as electrolysis, but more on what you can afford on a regular schedule such as X dollars per month.

Alicia

Hi Alicia,

I used a topical anesthetic for about an hour before each treatment here in China, but I didn’t use one at all in the U.S… I’m not sure of the brand, since the name is in Chinese characters, and could potentially have many different readings/pronunciations.

I’m quite sure it was a much higher power-- I’m just not sure if it really needs to be quite that high or not.

Also, despite the really high power, I’m starting to feel like certain areas (my chin, below my lower lip) aren’t responding as well as other areas (my neck, cheeks, etc.). I think the other areas may be cleared after this treatment (at least until the next phase of hairs start their growth cycle)… but the chin area doesn’t seem like it will be very affected at all, aside from possibly slightly slower growth…

But that would be X more dollars per month not put twards surgery. For more than one reason I really hope laser does most of what it’s touted to do… this is one of the most frustrating parts of passing (cutting myself on a daily basis – I have really really sensitive skin – not to mention the shadow is always still noticable to me, even with makeup on) :frowning:

marie. you can upload pictures to www.photobucket.com and post the link they provide for each picture here.

Hi Layla:

Get what you can done with the laser, but be prepared to do electrolysis after that. The electrolysis does not have to be finished before surgery, but you should try to maintain a regular schedule till all the facial hair is gone. I have been getting mne done for over 3 years in total, but took a conservative but methodical approach to it.

The average beard takes about 200 hours to permanently clear.
It works, but you have to believe it will and be patient.

Alicia