About 2 months after having the last of a series of 3 bikini area laser hair removal treatments, a tan patch of skin has developed at the site of the hair removal. It is a circular area about 1/2" in diameter. Could this be a result of the treatment?
what is your skin and hair type? what machine was used? how long has it been since treatment? what does your clinic say? has your hair shed each time?
p.s. are you only looking for a reduction? 3 treatments is usually not enough. 6-8 are necessary for a good clearance.
I have light skin & hair. I don’t know kind of laser machine, but it was at the Hair Today Gone Tomorrow center. The spot showed up about 2 months after my most recent treatment. Yes, my hair did shed each time. I did intend to return for more treatments after my busy summer is over. I have not asked the hair clinic yet.
Your hair is light? How light? LHR is not great on light brown hair and doesn’t work on blond hair. That chain clinic is not known for the most effective machines. I would advise you to read the FAQs and determine if you’re getting the most effective treatments and if you’re truly a good candidate. What percentage of reduction did you get now, after 3 treatments?
If it showed up 2 months after your last treatment, it is not from the treatments. Anything from the treatments would be obvious within a week at most when the skin is affected.
That time window is consistant with true hyperpigmentation and/or vascular bed disruption. There is a high chance that it is from the laser treatment. You’re not the first to mention this. Also be very aware of who offers what advice on this board. The poster stating that it has nothing to do with the treatment has never actually seen your condition and has no background or formal training in evaluating skin conditions, much less using a laser. On the internet a lot of people think they are experts and offer advice anonymously. Don’t go with that, take photos or get in to see your doctor. Your doctor will give you advice that can be trusted.
Take care.
Mantaray
Let me just say that ultimately, one must do one’s best to research and become one’s own expert.
I am one of the many people who have what most people would call an allergy to onions. To use correct medical terminology, what I have is known as “a sensitivity” to onions. One bite into an onion gives me a headache, and increased exposure to what ever component of this food that I am sensitive to, renders me effectively blind, as I can not tolerate light in that condition and my head hurts so bad I really don’t want to open my eyes anyway. (So when I say, “No onions on my Sandwich” at lunch, you had better not forget, or your marathon session is over. NO MORE ELECTROLYSIS FOR YOU!)
Well, the funny thing is, all the research I have done turns up medical and scientific professionals saying that no such thing exists, and other sufferers like myself independently describing the same symptoms and begging people to take them seriously. The funny thing is, my brother is allergic to peanuts and some beans and peas. When we were kids, the doctors said that it was all in his head too. Maybe before my kids die, someone will publish a paper that gets us “Onion Sensitives” the same respect Peanut People get. Ok, maybe not that much, I don’t want people getting arrested for assault for breathing Onion Breath on someone maliciously, but I digress.
The best I have been able to come across is that the same chemical compound is also in green peppers, and garlic, however, cooking eliminates this compound from those foods, while there is enough in onions, that the amount of cooking needed to render this chemical harmless, or burn it off entirely, is much longer, as only stews and long cooked soups seem to be somewhat safe.
So what I am saying is, even the recognized experts (to say nothing of the X-perts) don’t always know the answer to the question you need to have answered.
In everything, be proactive about your own health and well being.
The best I have been able to come across is that the same chemical compound is also in green peppers, and garlic, however, cooking eliminates this compound from those foods, while there is enough in onions, that the amount of cooking needed to render this chemical harmless, or burn it off entirely, is much longer, as only stews and long cooked soups seem to be somewhat safe.
…I’m listening.
So you put no onion powder in your pasta sauce? No garlic powder? To me that’s where it’s at. Sounds like crock pot territory. These days though, it’s too hot for a crock pot. But when it cools down: Crock Pot Cache Recipes Site I’m there!
Mantaray
Thanks for the info.
Strange thing, onion powder, garlic powder, or even oinon bagels, no problem. One McDonalds onion square from the glove of a McDonalds employee making its way onto my sandwich, and it may as well be a spike to my head.
there is no logical physical explanation for a spot appearing 2 months after treatment. Mantaray, if you think there is, please provide one instead of attacking people on here as usual.
It is hard to say exactly what caused your spot to show up.
First, it could be a laser treatment, but to have it show up 2 months later after no obvious injury makes it less likely, though not out of the realm of possibility. Having a causal relationship (ie one thing caused by another) requires among other things both a mechanism and a reasonable time course. I am not sure what mechanism is consistent with a 2 month interval in the absence of any injury.
The problem is that there are many other things that could also cause this. Even common conditions such as melasma which would be unrelated to the treatment. Furthermore, without a description of the spot, ie size, margins, color difference, etc it is hard to know what to make of your report.
I would suggest that you go back to the place you had your treatment and discuss it with them. The next step would be to see a dermatologist.
Lagirl, I had responded to a post about discolored skin probably induced by laser hair removal. I think you responded by saying it was illogical. I couldn’t find the post off hand to respond, but this is a good way to get that information to you since it deals with LHR.
Actually, it’s not. Skin discoloration from laser hair removal can occur in at least a few already known ways: reticulate erythema and hyperpigmentation onset 3 to 5 weeks after a laser treatment. It would fit perfect in the poster’s timeframe.
If somebody dispenses advice about a treatment, they should have the medical background to warn about effects, and side effects. If not, then people can suffer at the hands of ignorance.
There are plenty of links on the net that will discribe these conditions. The Reticulate Erythema (and the thrombosis) articles are out of one of the best medical facilities in Isreal. The hyperpigmentation articles are in Science Direct, Interscience, and Pastic reconstructive Surgery journals. Some of these may deal with applications closely related to LHR, but it’s use and effect are all the same.
One must be very sure of what they do, and say.
Another article on the harmful hyperpigmentive effects of laser on the skin
Mantaray
3-5 weeks is not 2 months. 2 months=9weeks. you should be posting your evidence in the thread pertaining to this issue since this is supposed to be helping the consumer. the fact that you’re posting this here only shows that you have no intention of helping the consumer. you are posting to attack other posters. take some time and read all the “thank yous” for my help from everyone on this forum who got results if you’re unsure of the value I bring to the forum (which was rarely visited before I started dedicating my time for free).
we are all still waiting on disclosure of your background which you refuse to provide. you do not have a right to ask for or judge anyone else’s background, or attack it if you are not providing yours. as far as your statements are concerned, you have no idea what my background is, so please avoid personal attacks.
also, anyone on this forum can look up all of your archived posts from when you first started posting here. you seem to be the type who thinks he knows everything up front, but when things go wrong, refuses to acknowledge your mistakes and looks for blame elsewhere.
you came to this forum thinking you knew everything about hair removal in general and laser in particular. then, you chose a less than optimal machine and got minimal results. at the time, you believed you were doing everything correctly and laser was a miracle solution. now you think electrolysis is, though you haven’t finished any areas.
you took on electrolysis and now consider yourself an expert, even though you haven’t finished any areas (you haven’t posted your treatment experiences or pictures), so you don’t actually know from personal experience that electrolysis is permanent with any level of certainty, but you claim this on the forum, even in your signature.
this is the same thing you claimed about your laser treatments until you didn’t get the results. however, i have no issue with your posts EXCEPT when you attack others here and claim that electrolysis is a miracle treatment (it is not in many cases. I would know as I have done both laser and electrolysis on many areas, and I am actually finished with most areas).
either way, we’ve been back and forth on this multiple times and I don’t intend to continue it any longer. the one thing that Andrea asks of posters here is to respect other contributers. you’ve been asked multiple times to change your tone and keep your posts respectful.
please respect and remember that all my posts are realistic. i don’t claim miracles about either laser or electrolysis. neither one is a miracle treatment and there are too many variables involved in getting results to tout either one. I know from personal experience. And it would be greatly appreciated by everyone on this forum if you kept your posts unbiased and realistic as well (i.e. telling a man with a back full of hair that electrolysis is a quick inexpensive solution is not realistic.)
please avoid responding to this thread. it is intended for consumers looking to read a personal account of laser and electrolysis treatments, not personal attacks. send me private messages if you have an issue you want to discuss.
I finally have a few minutes to breathe here and answer what may be questions for you. Sorry for the delay, but I have some catching up to do here.
Anyway, to get a better understanding:
3-5 weeks is not 2 months. 2 months=9weeks. you should be posting your evidence in the thread pertaining to this issue since this is supposed to be helping the consumer. the fact that you’re posting this here only shows that you have no intention of helping the consumer.
This is incorrect thinking. When talking about human conditions, one need not set an alarm clock. Things vary. This is perfectly within an expected timeframe. If someone were to have more sensitive skin/ different capillary bed characteristics, variance in time is 100% acceptable. That’s why in science and medicine, most things are based on standard deviations and statistical criteria. Nothing is ever so predictable that you can discount variances in time of this scale. You need to understand scientific systems in general, this would do you a lot of good
take some time and read all the “thank yous” for my help from everyone on this forum who got results if you’re unsure of the value I bring to the forum
Actually, many have come here and then just disappeared. i wonder if any advice given really worked out. I wonder if they, instead, just sought the advice from a professional and never returned back here. There are more follow-ups in the electrology forum. This area has a far more higher incidence of returning individuals.
which was rarely visited before I started dedicating my time for free).
This forum has always been a success. Andrea has worked to make it so. It requires a lot of work to keep something like this going. I was here before you. It has always been a center for hair removal items. To say this forum is what it is because of you, is entirely incorrect. If you left tomorrow it would still be the great forum that it is.
we are all still waiting on disclosure of your background which you refuse to provide. you do not have a right to ask for or judge anyone else’s background,
You can continue to wait, or bide your time doing more constructive things. There is no reason whatsoever that would entice me to post my personal life on the internet. This world is full enough as it is with people stealing identities, googling others, stalking, investigating, why would I actually want to feed that? You yourself keep your identity secret. It’s plain as day. And people are the sum of their actions. If they state inaccuracies, like things such as laser wavelenth (nanometers)being a strength level, then there is every right and duty to question knowledge for the benefit of all. This is a good thing.
also, anyone on this forum can look up all of your archived posts from when you first started posting here. you seem to be the type who thinks he knows everything up front, but when things go wrong, refuses to acknowledge your mistakes
Incorrect. Actually, if one looked up my archived posts they would find them a lot of good information that would save them a great amount of money and time. And my posts have been exploring and consistent. I have never mistaken nanometer/wavelengths as a unit of power such as you have. I have answered time and again private messages to help others, dealing with laser and electrolysis thoughts. I have recieved many thanks, and continue to recieve them. I’m happy a board like this exists so that we can help others.
now you think electrolysis is, though you haven’t finished any areas.
Vastly, completely incorrect. I have finished lower legs, feet, ankles, other parts. Areas not finished are extremly sparse. It’s been a complete success. No surprise in that it’s a peefect art that’s been around for a century. These areas have no hair. None. Nyet. El Smootho. I couldn’t be happier with electrolysis. I am intensely proud of my work being a success. What prompts you even to say that is somewhat strange to say the least.
you took on electrolysis and now consider yourself an expert, even though you haven’t finished any areas
Completely, completely sharp edged and untrue. I would never consider myself an expert in the presence of my electrologist, James, Dee, Martha, Arlene, Joanie, and everybody. I am humbled. It’s not easy. My learning is still in progress as I am fascinated with the success of electrology. And the area that I have very successfully cleared, I am, once again, very, very proud.
i have no issue with your posts EXCEPT when you attack others here
Well actually, you have been very resistant to my presence in general. I wonder why you have so much disgust for some contributers here. I think you should respect the fact that there are some educated, professional people here. If you ever get to the point of actually operating a laser, or having an advanced degree, or professional license, you will see how much dedication it takes to accomplish.
kept your posts unbiased and realistic as well (i.e. telling a man with a back full of hair that electrolysis is a quick inexpensive solution is not realistic.)
Actually, that was a very good post myself, James, and Dee followed up on. He really wasn’t ‘full of hair’ and he didn’t have to go see an endocrinologist for suspicions of hormonal imbalance simply because a laser wasn’t effective. If you followed the last large scale poll in Allure Magazine (National Syndication) you would see that having unsuccessful or sub-par laser treatments is really quite common.
you’ve been asked multiple times to change your tone and keep your posts respectful.
Actually, this is entirely incorrect. The whole statement is incorrect.
send me private messages
At one time you said that I was sending you harrassing private messages. You openly claimed this even though I had never sent anything at all your way. I’m of the mind that this forum is a much better, safer, place to communicate with you. Afterall, that is why it is here.
Always with respect,
Mantaray
I don’t know. I don’t know. I just don’t know why I have this nagging feeling that if you two special Californian’s would ever meet face to face, you might become new best friends. We always appreciate your in depth, sparky discussions on permanent hair removal.
Bless you both,
Dee
Once again, a condescending self-righteous post. Stating lies and exaggerations as facts in a confident tone doesn’t make them facts. And how condescending and disrespectful is it to post a disrespecful diatribe and sign it with “always with respect”? But let’s stick to the facts and point out your bullshit.
None of your statements have any supporting evidence, as they’re just your delusional beliefs. I’ll point them out:
This is incorrect thinking. When talking about human conditions, one need not set an alarm clock. Things vary. This is perfectly within an expected timeframe. If someone were to have more sensitive skin/ different capillary bed characteristics, variance in time is 100% acceptable. That’s why in science and medicine, most things are based on standard deviations and statistical criteria. Nothing is ever so predictable that you can discount variances in time of this scale. You need to understand scientific systems in general, this would do you a lot of good
i.e. “The time frame doesn’t fit, but I’ll provide some bullshit and include a condescending statement instead of facts to make my point.”
Actually, many have come here and then just disappeared. i wonder if any advice given really worked out. I wonder if they, instead, just sought the advice from a professional and never returned back here. There are more follow-ups in the electrology forum. This area has a far more higher incidence of returning individuals.
actually, everyone who has bad results always comes back, like you did for example. so, the correct assumption to make is that those who don’t are happy with their results and moved on. This applies to both laser and electrolysis: you, Chuck, Rachelle, etc. you conveniently ignore all the posts in the laser forum that start with “I got great results on this area and now want to do this area…”. This doesn’t happen on the electrolysis forum btw.
This forum has always been a success. Andrea has worked to make it so. It requires a lot of work to keep something like this going…If you left tomorrow it would still be the great forum that it is.
Ask Andrea for traffic and registration numbers over the last year compared to two years prior when it took 3-4 days to get an answer to a post. Those are facts, not your assumptions. As you were told before, I’m not here to help you, so your opinion is irrelevant.
You can continue to wait, or bide your time doing more constructive things. There is no reason whatsoever that would entice me to post my personal life on the internet. This world is full enough as it is with people stealing identities, googling others, stalking, investigating, why would I actually want to feed that? You yourself keep your identity secret. It’s plain as day. And people are the sum of their actions. If they state inaccuracies, like things such as laser wavelenth (nanometers)being a strength level, then there is every right and duty to question knowledge for the benefit of all. This is a good thing.
Then you have no right to ask for others’ for the same, i.e. stop doing it. Noone cares about your background. You’re the one who’s throwing out condescending remarks based on your supposed background. If you actually had a relevant background, you would have no problem stating what it is. I don’t hide mine. Everyone who’s asked in a private message got a response. I have yet to see a link with proof where I supposedly stated this, so it’s clear that it doesn’t exist.
Incorrect. Actually, if one looked up my archived posts they would find them a lot of good information that would save them a great amount of money and time. And my posts have been exploring and consistent. I have never mistaken nanometer/wavelengths as a unit of power such as you have. I have answered time and again private messages to help others, dealing with laser and electrolysis thoughts. I have recieved many thanks, and continue to recieve them. I’m happy a board like this exists so that we can help others.
I don’t have time for the tedious search right now, but I will paste links to them when I do. To refresh your memory, you were convinced the Comet was going to work for you and were recommending it to others, backing up your statements with the supposed fact that your “scientific knowledge” leads you to know that it will work. Once gain, I have yet to see a link with proof where I supposedly stated this, so it’s clear that it doesn’t exist. Isn’t it interesting how you consider your “thanks” relevant, but mine irrelevant?
Vastly, completely incorrect. I have finished lower legs, feet, ankles, other parts. Areas not finished are extremly sparse. It’s been a complete success. No surprise in that it’s a peefect art that’s been around for a century. These areas have no hair. None. Nyet. El Smootho. I couldn’t be happier with electrolysis. I am intensely proud of my work being a success. What prompts you even to say that is somewhat strange to say the least. [quote]
Where is your success story and pictures to support it? You’re expecting others who’re not using the forum anymore to come back to post their success stories, yet you don’t do it yourself when you’re on here all the time?
[quote]Completely, completely sharp edged and untrue. I would never consider myself an expert in the presence of my electrologist, James, Dee, Martha, Arlene, Joanie, and everybody. I am humbled. It’s not easy. My learning is still in progress as I am fascinated with the success of electrology. And the area that I have very successfully cleared, I am, once again, very, very proud.
Your statements certainly lead the consumers here to believe that you’re an expert as you always post in a self-righteous expert tone with non-factual statements as facts (such as that it’s “a piece of cake” to remove a back full of hair on a man). Are you saying you don’t write in that tone on purpose?
Well actually, you have been very resistant to my presence in general. I wonder why you have so much disgust for some contributers here. I think you should respect the fact that there are some educated, professional people here. If you ever get to the point of actually operating a laser, or having an advanced degree, or professional license, you will see how much dedication it takes to accomplish.
I’ve repeatedly ignored all of your posts unless they were specifically directed at me or were stating completely incorrect things. Nice attempt to discredit me once again by pluralizing “contributors”. The issue has been ONLY with you (and if you’re going to state something like this, you will need to provide evidence, which once again doesn’t exist). Conversely, the fact is that you often get proven wrong by experienced educated LHR professionals (exactly like the ones you’re referring to like SSLHR) when you post incorrect biased statements on the laser portion of the forum (which you counteract by trying to discredit them). So you are the one who shows “disgust with contributorS”, as it’s not just with me. Your only defense is to attempt to discredit people even though you provide no basis for your own credibility. And, how dare you tell ME how much dedication and education laser takes when you yourself have zero? Yet another condescending remark when you yourself have no credibility on the subject matter. Conversely, professionals that you’re talking about like SSLHR who’s HAD 10 years of experience in LHR has told you several times that my statements are almost always correct, while yours are almost always are not when it comes to laser. Your only self-defense is trying to discredit anyone who has a different point of view, even those with much more experience and credentials than you on the topic.
Actually, that was a very good post myself, James, and Dee followed up on. He really wasn’t ‘full of hair’ and he didn’t have to go see an endocrinologist for suspicions of hormonal imbalance simply because a laser wasn’t effective. If you followed the last large scale poll in Allure Magazine (National Syndication) you would see that having unsuccessful or sub-par laser treatments is really quite common.
Bullshit again. I don’t know which post you’re talking about, but I’m talking about several with pictures of men with a FULL back of hair. I didn’t tell them to do laser; I actually told them to go with electrolysis. However, I made sure they had realistic expectations. Then you jumped in as usual “correcting” that electrolysis on a full back is a “piece of cake” as you usually refer to it, which is completely false. Just because you don’t think it’s a good idea for someone to do laser doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to set unrealistic expectations for person, who will just come back unhappy in a few months because it’s taking much longer than what you painted in your perfect world. That’s called being biased btw.
Actually, this is entirely incorrect. The whole statement is incorrect.
Bullshit again. I’ll provide a link later.
At one time you said that I was sending you harrassing private messages. You openly claimed this even though I had never sent anything at all your way. I’m of the mind that this forum is a much better, safer, place to communicate with you. Afterall, that is why it is here.
Wow, blatant lie and a condescending statement all in one. Bravo. Please post a link to where I supposedly claimed this as I don’t have any messages from you. You don’t want to send private messages. You purposely like to post this crap here on the forum (and specifically in my helpful thread) to boost your self-esteem and attempt to discredit me. Your intentions are crystal clear. The only thing I wonder is if you developped this self-righteous defensive personality due to all the hair and self-esteem issues. Because attempting to discredit people anonymously on this forum seems to bring you a lot of pleasure.
p.s. If you were trying to be "respectful, you missed the most important part of my post which asked you not to reply to this thread as this thread has a purpose. You are showing that you have no respect for anyone with an opposing opinion, or even the moderators, who will have spend time removing your crap from this helpful thread as well as reminding you of the rules of the forum.
I hope living in your bubble where you are always right is fun.
James, can you please remove or move this irrelevant conversation? The purpose of this thread is to have my personal laser and electrolysis experience in one place so that it’s actually helpful to consumers.