Sharing Laser Settings

Comparing settings really doesn’t help OTHER than give you an idea what a possible good range is.

The technician looks (or should!) at many factors when choosing YOUR setting: hair colour/density/thickness as well as skin colour/type/thickness and if there is a hint of a tan and what medications/topicals/herbals the person is on or has been on in the last 3-6 months.

Using someone else’s setting as a guide may throw you off your own treatments or cause damage to yourself if you push your technician to up the settings.

For your own optimal results: get the technician to do 3 patch tests with a range of settings. Then come back in a couple weeks (after the hair is shed or even 48hrs if you want to get started right away) for the actual treatment. The Technician will pick the best looking test patch with the highest setting.

You will also decide which of the three depending on your pain tolerance. They may start with the highest settings, but it may to too painful for the first treatment (It’s ok to go for the lower setting test patch as long as the hairs have previously shed. Next treatment will be higher).

If your in the middle of your series and you want them to keep raising the settings (if they don’t already do this), ask them to do one small inconspicuous area (approx 1x1")in a higher setting for the next laser treatment. That way your skin is safer yet receiving an effective laser treatment.

Remember you won’t see any real results at least until the 3rd laser treatment. You will need the 6-12 treatments depending on machine/settings. Completing laser treatments at 3 or 4 sessions with 85% reduction is pretty rare (I’m talking about years of being hair free NOT 4 months worth), so don’t expect it will happen to you. If it does, feel proud and lucky you saved all that time and $ :smiley:

Most of the hairs should shed every treatment. They won’t shed if your settings are too low or your hairs are too light or fine (fine brown hairs can be too invisible to the laser) or the machine is maxed out for your skin colour and they cannot safely treat you to up the setting.

After you notice the laser is no longer working for you DO NOT keep going back for more sessions, but move onto electrolysis if you are looking for complete hair removal.

Goodluck with everyones hair removal journeys!

Oh I forgot to mention that even tho the compared settings may be with the EXACT model/brand of laser…the output of energy may not be the same due to manufacturing, calibrations, maintenance and so on. I worked with two lasers that were the same and I found one more powerful by a couple jules…that can be very significant if, your maxing out someones settings near the end of the treatment series.

Very good points and I think a timely thread.

Being test patched with a range of settings is the best way to start. As you mentioned, my tech would also always test a higher setting at the end of the session, for the next session.

I was one of those lucky few - only 3 treatments on my bikini and lower legs for 90%+ and 85%+ hair reduction respectively. I think with the right situation - the tech doing their job well in regards to settings and not missing areas and ensuring most of the hair at the time of the first session is in anagen (by waxing 8-12 weeks before depending on body area), it is quite possible to get good results in fewer treatments.

Sounds like you had an excellent technician, that great to hear about the 3 treatments :)) Hope others on here ask for her info.

Reminds me of one lady I did a touch up for. She had only 3 laser treatments 9 years earlier. She told me she wanted the least amount of treatments possible (it was really expensive back then!) so the two agreed to max out the settings for her. I guess the healing was brutal: swollen, split skin that oozed liquids for days! In the end she was done at 3 and it took 9 years until it grew back in. She was more than happy with the results No PAIN No GAIN lol!

I’m sure her side effects where on the extreme side.

What area was treated? So, after 9 years all hairs grew in back?

Underarms. They looked perfectly normal when I worked on hers. No scarring/pigmentation from the healing process. The returned hairs looked like regular underarm hair: dark and thick, but somewhat sparse.

That’s when i learned that the hair can return :-/ Funny enough I had a couple woman within the same time period come back for underarm treatments stating they had completed their sessions and were hair-free for several years. Slowly they noticed the hairs coming back and getting thicker. The place I worked at had been around when laser first came out so I was lucky to see some long-term results coming back for more treatments.

Well I’ve been here (on HairTell) a while now, sharing my experience and helping others with advice where I can.

My settings were far from ‘maxed’ out. I never experienced any adverse reaction. It’s about (1) realistic expectations - one will get the best results where most of the hairs are coarse and (2) the technician selecting good settings without going over the top.

I don’t quite understand your reference to it growing back in 9 years later. I don’t think that correlates to how many treatments she initially had, but rather the failings of Laser. For this reason, now that we have the option, my sister has gone for electrolysis from the start for most of her areas. She had a few Laser treatments on her underarms and arms but since my technician had moved on, without very good results.

I was just stating her experience with her 3 treatments. I wrote her healing was on the extreme side.

I never stated 3 treatments = the hair to grow back. I’m saying Laser is NOT permanent for everyone.

Why would it be the FAILING of the Laser?
I would see it as the REGENERATIVE POWER of our Hair follicle! They are powerful and determined growing machines with stem cells capable for more/new growth.

I was just clarifying because it may sound to those new to Laser, that the two things were being connected.

The real question is, is Laser permanent at all? This is why I say it is a failing - a failing of the process to provide irreversible damage in the follicle to prevent hair from ever growing again. I’m confident that follicles do not regenerate following permanent damage by electrolysis. I can’t say the same for Laser.

No worries, I thought you meant the laser treatments was ineffective or failed. Just so people know, the other lady who had the underarms regrow had done a series of treatments (5+ I can’t remember how many)

I’m not sure why Laser is not fully permanent? Maybe it just cannot heat up the follicle enough to kill the bulge like electrolysis can??

Anyone know if the bulge have melanin in it? I will post this in the electrolysis section to see if the experts know.

Here are some links which other people have experience regrowth. Some due to hormones or other reasons. Don’t get me wrong I love my results with laser and see it as a very valid and worthwhile form of hair removal, but I know it may not be permanent for everyone…myself included and until or if it happens I will enjoy being razor free lol.

Hope I’m not violating any forum rules with these links:

http://community.babycenter.com/post/a30311267/anyones_laser_hair_removal_grow_all_back_with_pregnancy

http://www.savvyskin.com/laser-hair-removal-info

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5030990_long-laser-hair-removal-last.html

Thanks for the links, especially for the first one. It is shocking to read from the first link that laser failed for so many women!