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#1

Hello everyone,

I’m french and actually searching for a professionel electrologist to help me out with my issues. It can be in France or other countries like England, Belgium, Spain etc.

Hairs have been bothering for 15 years now ! I’m just physically and psychologically tired of them !

Indeed, I’ve had problems with hairs since I’m 15 years old. In fact I was not very hairy as a teenager, but I was bullied by my classmates during an entire year about my hairs (moustache) and I was hence forced to study in another high school. But the bullying had some bad effects on my self-esteem and unfortunately I ended up shaving my entire body (except for the face, neck, shoulder and back) with a hair removal product (cream). On some parts of my body my vellus stayed untouched (sides of my belly) but all the other areas have now full grown hairs.

From this time, hairs became a real problem. I do not have an imbalance regarding hormones. But I was not feeling well so my parents sent me to an endocrinologist. For six month I took Androcur pills ! The effects were terrible, I was feeling so bad I stopped the treatment, and because of this medecine, big hairs started to grow on my face, chin and toes !!! These were the only parts of my body that had no hairs.

So I’m living a real nightmare, I can’t wear clothes with short sleeves, with the heat right now in France, I’m just dying.

So I would like to find a very good electrologist, because I don’t want to make any mistakes concerning my hairs !

I mean, it will change my life if I can live hair free, it will give me so much self-confidence, and I’ll be ready to forgot the bullying I went through.

I would be so glad if you could help me.

Thank you all

#2

Hi hope:

I just wanted to touch on a few points for you, I’m not sure how much help I will be .

First , I want to say I can wholeheartedly understand the dysphoria over excess hair and in relation to bullying. As a transperson I see this kind of bullying and lack of acceptance as well, for similar reasons. It’s just unacceptable, but society is not always kind to people who represent a minority. I wanted to let you know I do understand your apprehensions.

I’m certain Adrien will pop in to this thread at some point, and tell you that electrolysis is largely unavailable in France. It’s a shame but it seems there are laws it is only to be performed by a physician in France, and if I’m not mistaken the situation is the same in belgium.
Hope is not lost however, there are at least three seriously good electrologists in Germany, Spain and England. In spain there is Josepha Reina and she has I believe Adrien under her tutelage at the moment, I hear good things about cherry tree electrolysis in England, and also there is BEate Ritzert in Germany.
I think the problem you might find with each of them is actually booking time, Josepha I know is usually full up, I know Beate was booked months in advance recently and cherry tree may be back now from a stoppage after a short term disability. I would think though, that and one of these fine folks could probably refer you to someone qualified and local. England has a website for the BAIE ( I think) which lists qualified electrologists for england.

Now I’m a little confused by some of your statements regarding Androcur and your endocrinologist and the effects you are reporting. Androcur ( or Cyproterone) is a drug I’m very familiar with it’s uses and effects. You indicated you did NOT have an issue with elevated hormone levels, are you sure about that? I ask, because it doesnt make sense to prescribe Androcur without an increased testosterone level being present. Androcur is a drug of the class Antiandrogen, and actually a quite strong one.It’s sole purpose is to reduce the amount of dihydratestosterone in the blood stream.It can have some limited side effects that occur in larger doses ( example) 50 mg) doses when taken daily, but nowhere in those side effects is increased hair growth one of them. So if your levels increased enough that you were noticing hair growth, there is some other factor such as genetics involved, probably not the administration of Androcur.

Now an interesting tidbit about androcur, it has a 40 or so hour halflife. So if you are taking more than you need and taking it daily it can have a cumulative effect in the bloodstream ( 50 mg can have the effect of 100mg every second day). It has been theorized by some endocrinologists that 10-15 mg daily is all that is required in most cases to have a complete antiandrogen effect ina transgender male to female transitioner. In many countries, it is not available in such small doses so doctors will prescribe a larger dose like 50MG. Unfortunately the worst of Androcurs side effects only occur at those higher doses, and that you were feeling “bad” may indicate one of it’s primary side effects, depression… Solution: buy a pill cutter to reduce the dose where it can have an effect, but be low enough dose not to cause the depression.I have my doubts however the Androcur is to blame for the increased hair growth, this is more likely caused by genetics and varying testosterone levels once you stopped taking it. IT makes no sense to prescribe Androcur though unless there was an issue with increased testosterone to adress in the first place.

Seana

#3

Hi,

I can highly recommend Mairi Hawkes who is based in Oban, Scotland. She uses magnifying loupes, good lighting and she works fast.

She also posts on this forum and there have been a number of other hairtell users who have been to see her.

She does get very busy and I’m not sure of her current availability. Her website is aeclinic.co.uk

#4

Thanks Ilove2zap and mh1212!

Ilove2zap I can assure you that I didn’t have at that time hormone level problems. I had a blood test to check. But I guess we picked the wrong endocrinologist, unfortunately. When I look back, my problems with hairs needed a psychologist because as I said, before the bullying part, I was feeling like a normal teenager, but as opposed to blonds my vellus was more visible. However, as you said, it was pointed out that there was a genetic factor. But I shaved my vellus! What an idea!
I took one pill of androcur a day and the side effects were depression, pain in the belly, I lost also a lot of weight (it was said that my muscular mass lowered and not the fat) and i had beautiful hair and skin. As far as the hairs were concerned, I started to feel concerned when the velluq on my face (under the chin where it was not even visible) started to fall. I stopped without any medical advise because I was really scared. And then big hairs started to grow on my chin…
I was disgusted! Because the endocrinologist didnt even warn me about the side effects and also that it was a life treatment! But I was young and unexperienced… But the endocrinologist was supposed to be a professional.

At the time when I was taking androcur, I was also on forums to share my experience with other people and I know that some of them said they were taking androcur jus for acne problems, without any hormonal issues!

I guess in France at that time the prescription was not regulated enough…

Thanks both of you for the names you’ve given me. I’ve read some threads and saw that Josefa Reina had a good reputation. When I saw the pictures of patients on the forum I must admit I was touched, I cried a bit because I went through so much suffering… I mean mainly psychological suffering because I was (still am) so focused on hairs I think I did not have the chance to live my life fully yet.

I’m so pleased to have found this forum, I feel the beginning of a relief, just to know that there might be a solution, other than laser or drugs or simply just dealing with it.

I would love to have an appointment very soon! Hopefully with Josefa Reina! I can I contact her?

#5

JOSEPHA!!

Ok well just in case she didnt hear me yelling or more likely is working on a client, send her a private message, though I’m sure she will be along shortly to comment.Sometimes it takes her a while to get around to all her messages, so be patient.

THIS:
I started to feel concerned when the velluq on my face (under the chin where it was not even visible) started to fall. I stopped without any medical advise because I was really scared. And then big hairs started to grow on my chin…

Still makes me think your levels may be off it sounds almost exactly like increased testosterone levels after stopping the drug, but I’m not going to double guess an endocrinologist if they said the levels were normal.I would encourage you to see a different endocrinologist and get an opinion because a reduced dose of Androcur may be able to give you the benefits without the nasty side effects.

Seana

#6

Lol thanks Iluv2zap for calling out Josepha for me (sorry for the mistake with her name by the way) !

I will send her a private message, hoping it works for new members.

I’ve just made a blood test this morning to check the hormone levels. I thought it would be wise to do this before beginning permanent hair removal. And also i’ve got new hairs growing on my chin (this is a real nightmare!) Because sometimes hairs can grow again !
But I’m sure I won’t take androcur again, I don’t want to be subjected to a drug like this and it is said that it could cause thrombosis issues.

#7

Hi Hope30,

If you are near eurostar/tunnel/Paris, come over to Ashford and there’s a wonderful electrolygist (sp?) at Wye Beauty in Wye, you could hop on the train at Ashford International local side and it’s 1 or 2 stops from Ashford.

I can give you the number if you like? I have been treated there by Robyn for approx 14months and, although painfully slow (I was a serial waxer/plucker… bad bad bad…) but… it’s worked!!! and oh my! the skin looks so good now. I am very very happy and Robyn is so gentle. They do not ‘guess’ when you’ll be done btw, you just have to keep going!!! Good Luck!!!

#8

Hi Dillan’Jack ! Yes I would love to have the number, does this person have a website?

#9

Well, it can have annoying side effects even in small doses (depressions…), and it is, btw., a synthetic gestagen and has originally been developed as a substitute for progesterone. It is not good as a gestagen, but it has an interesting side effect -> antiandrogen.

People with hair problems often get descriptions of hormones like estrogens or CPA without a measurement of the actual hormonal levels. So if there are normal androgen levels it will suppress these and this might cause psychic side effects - You feel weak and tired. Let me speculate a bit:
If You stop taking androcur, especially if You do that abruptly and not gradually (as recommended!) an overshoot of androgenes might occur for some limited time. And that might be sufficient to trigger additional hair growth.

Once these tiny little beasts started growing, the only chance to get rid of them is to remove them.

As to hope’s question: as Seana mentionend, i am having a hard time giving my clients sufficient time for their treatments. On the other hand i have to deal with lots of short time cancellations. Quite recently even one of my block-session clients cancelled in an inacceptable way not for the first time. I am not sure how to deal with that - but maybe in the near future some slots might become free. It is not yet decided.

@hope: it depends on how much treatment time You actually need. If You can live with, say one 6 hour block every 2-4 months i might be able to help You, especially next year when a client doing such treatments will further reduce his schedule.

#10

Hi Hope :slight_smile:

Here is Robyns site: http://www.rtbs.co.uk/

no: 01233 811 550

She does do laser btw, but I said no after reading this site, and electrolysis has been a very long road indeed… but has been worth it :slight_smile:

I think she may want to speak with you first Hope. and I know of one other over here towards New Romney :slight_smile: (again. coast) Eileen Eagle tel: 01797 363500

Best of Luck to you Hope :slight_smile:

#11

Hello everyone !

After some researches, I will do electrolysis with Adrien from France!

I will keep you up to date.

Thank you all

#12

awesomesauce! From everything I know, Josepha is one heck of an instructor, and everything I’ve seen of Adrien tells me he has just the right amount of enthusiasm. I’m certain you will have great success.