Results of Electrolysis in telogen. 2 ½ year later

The trick is to treat every follicle that has a evidence of a hair protruding from it, no matter if it is a telogen, catagen or anagen hair, with the right balance of energy (intensity and timing).

@seattleguy:
In general all areas where the hairs will not grow long. Which means everywhere except head and beard.

Please remember the former biological function of the hairs: forming a protective fur. It is simply economic for the body to grow the hairs relatively fast up to the necessary length, then more or less stop growth and leave them sticky for a long time.
And that is visible everywhere on the body if the hairs are left alone for a sufficiently long time. And in that period prepare for the next har in the vicinity.

@Dee:yes, but surpisingly that energy does vayry less than it might be expected, won’t it? To my current understanding the primary target area - the permanent part of a hair containing the ring of stem cells around the infundibulum more or less remains the same in all phases of growth except the very early anagen where it is singificantly enlarged.

(btw those pics are very very impressive and I would pay triple what that guy paid if I knew the outcome would look like that!)

You should not do it. There is a fair and reasonable price for the work we do. Excessive rate does not make you a better professional, but an opportunist.

Do untouched lower backs or arms for example, have this kind of percentage as well?

Beate has answered this question. She’s right. Some areas such as pubic, armpits, male chest center have a higher percentage of anagen hairs than other areas such as legs, arms, and back.

Perhaps she is killing hair she believes she won’t be able to kill due to the phase it’s in?

Probably. The interpretation of the results is a chapter that many professionals overlook. :frowning:

Actually, interpretation seems to be guided / biased by the views obtained in trainings. Mine, too. Anyway: on untreated body areas including those with a larger portion of anagen hairs the amount of hairs in late phases is so large that You cannot do Your job to the satisfaction of the client without treating them.

Well I do think this business should operate under a fair price for honest work principle…however I’d be lying if I told you I wouldn’t pay triple. A price can’t be put on curing the depression I’ve been through for years because of the embarrassment of being overly hairy. Ive actually been sitting in a bar before and been told by a woman I have the hairiest hands she’s ever seen. Can you believe that!? Seriously, who says that!? Aanyways I guess the reality of it is electrolysis is absolutely and completely life changing for me. Maybe not for everyone, but for me it is…so with that said I would pay 3, 4 or even 5 times to get rid of hair. Not the proudest thing I’ve ever admitted, but just the truth…of course my electrologist doesn’t know this!

…of course my electrologist doesn’t know this! [/quote]

If she or he is a professional ( as I understand the meaning of this concept ) , you can speak freely to your electrologist , it will not change anything except to know how important it is for you and how grateful you are for his/her services.

Some people have offered to pay me double what I usually charge for agreeing to work on them. I never accepted . Even when I work on my days off , which could be justified . Exploit the vulnerability of desperate and self-conscious person may be tempting for someone unscrupulous , but not for a professional.

Hello everyone, I found this thread to be really interesting but was just wondering; when my electrologist works on my back I never feel any sort of plucking, it seems as though the hairs just slide right out. I have noticed on the other hand that some hair have whit bulbs on the end of them and some have blacks bulbs. My electrologist told me that the ones who have black bulbs are the ones that are in anagen and are the only ones being killed. Is this true? Since according to this thread all hairs that can be treated are killed by electrolysis,no matter what stage they are in, do the bulbs on the ends of the hairs mean anything at all?

PS I’ve been lurking this forum for about 7 years now but have only posted a few times, I wanted to take the chance to thank you guys for what you are doing here it has really helped me over the years. I could only hope to one day get the chance to be treated by one of you

ok it is true that the ones with white bulbs are in telogen and the darker ones in anogen. When a hair is in telogen the bulb will retract, removing it from the blood source and the bulb turns white( thinking back to her physiology, I hope I got that right). However it is NOT true that telogen hairs wont or cant be killed. The professionals here have beaten this one to death just about.
What is probably true is that if your electrologist THINKS she cant kill them then she is probably not treating them sufficiently to kill them.

Michael, please keep a hand on that toupee.
Seana

tee hee Seana …

Actually, at the moment I can’t find it: it flew off and I think it’s stuck to the ceiling.

Josefa,

Wonderful work as always!

I was wondering if, in your experience, have you seen pretty bad PIH resolve completely (or near-completely) over the course of 6 months or so?

I have some pretty bad PIH. I aspire to get the results you’ve achieved!

Maybe she is actually killing them but not aware of it because the textbooks tell us she could not. If we look at the distribution of the stem cells in a follicle it seems actually more interesting to hunt for the telogen hairs. Furthermore, despite common belief, the early anagen hairs might be the hardest to kill - the stem cells first seem to differentiate into a comparatively large volume before they start to develop into the various cell types forming a hair follicle.

This is Josefa’s original post (I am not sure how to do this with original post box like others do, so just copy and pasted). ( fixed the quote for you, Deanna. :slight_smile: DF)

This makes a lot of sense when I see the results of clearing an underarm, neck etc. of an area that has been shaved. The amount of hair that is present on their return visit is always more than you would expect (if calculated by the information given in school). Hinkle, AEA printed material and many more professional electrolysis writings state that: “in the shaving case you will be able to see all the hairs except for that 10-20% which have recently shed.”

From my experiences, I have always suspected that there are more empty follicles in the shaving case than was taught. When someone comes to their appointment and shaved 2 weeks prior to coming, you are able to see the fast growing anagen and the slow growing telogen (so according to teaching, this is 80%-90% of the total amount of hair in the area). At their appointment you clear the area of both anagen and telogen hairs.

So why is there always more hair on a return visit of someone shaving than that of someone with virgin hairs? Josefa’s explanation makes sense.

Those results are very impressive and give me hope

How many hours did the leg/abs take?

I have very similar hair, I’d like to see if it takes me around the same amount of time